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Indiana Post Game Thread

Kolumbo said:
"post mortem?"

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Post Morton.

After the salt.
 
UConNick said:
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Michigan State 77-57 UConn (Nov 24, 2017) Game Recap - ESPN

Expert recap and game analysis of the Michigan State Spartans vs. UConn Huskies NCAAM game from November 24, 2017 on ESPN.
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Anyone else get weirdly reminded of this game? Only of course with us playing the role of Sparty and IU being 17-18 hapless UConn.

Plucky team, semi-competitive first half, fighting hard to stay within shouting distance for a decent chunk of the second half, but then absolutely blasted towards the end because the other team really was just that much better than you. Didn't even realize the final scores were identical until I looked at the box!
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i made the point to my brother that this indiana team looked like a bit like a late-career kevin ollie team. they kept hanging around, getting close, then making a series of mistakes. finally, their spirit was broken and it turned into a blowout.

i don't miss those days.
 
elmcityboy said:
i made the point to my brother that this indiana team looked like a bit like a late-career kevin ollie team. they kept hanging around, getting close, then making a series of mistakes. finally, their spirit was broken and it turned into a blowout.

i don't miss those days.
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Wow, those were some dark times. Next game they lost to Akansas 102-67 and then Auburn clobbered them 89-64. I think that was the year they had back-to-back OT wins vs Columbia and Monmouth.

Just ouch.
 
elmcityboy said:
i made the point to my brother that this indiana team looked like a bit like a late-career kevin ollie team. they kept hanging around, getting close, then making a series of mistakes. finally, their spirit was broken and it turned into a blowout.

i don't miss those days.
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There were Indiana fans sitting in front of me who kept getting so mad every time they did the infamous weave to start a possession noting how bad the offense is. It really did feel like the KO experience watching them try and run something.
 
husky429 said:
It's usually something college coaches don't teach anymore. Personally, I like to... but from a strength standpoint, he's dropping the ball because he doesn't have much of a standing jump and NEEDS to in order to dunk the ball. When you jump as high as you can, you swing your arms, right? Same idea.
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Man, I'm having severe traumatic flashbacks to 2009.
 
I'll admit, I'm a bit worried about Clingan. His defensive value is without question (even if it doesn't show up in the stats). But he had a really rough game offensively. He's going to get hacked to death around the bucket and he just needs to work on playing through it all. I felt like his hands were a bit weaker than what we're used to seeing from him...so maybe he's still rusty from his injury? Tonight will be a good test.
 
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Just saw an article on "Inside the Hall" that began with this: "The crowd at Madison Square Garden Sunday was overwhelmingly cream and crimson, but..."
 
NHUConnfan said:
I'll admit, I'm a bit worried about Clingan. His defensive value is without question (even if it doesn't show up in the stats). But he had a really rough game offensively. He's going to get hacked to death around the bucket and he just needs to work on playing through it all. I felt like his hands were a bit weaker than what we're used to seeing from him...so maybe he's still rusty from his injury? Tonight will be a good test.
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Clingan has never had particularly great hands. It seems like a couple writers wrote that he had good hands in articles, and people have run with it--it was never true though. Big boys develop later, so it's not really a surprise. He'll get there.
 
NHUConnfan said:
I'll admit, I'm a bit worried about Clingan. His defensive value is without question (even if it doesn't show up in the stats). But he had a really rough game offensively. He's going to get hacked to death around the bucket and he just needs to work on playing through it all. I felt like his hands were a bit weaker than what we're used to seeing from him...so maybe he's still rusty from his injury? Tonight will be a good test.
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If DC had finished a dunk and lay up he is 11 points and 11 rebounds, 2 blocks, 2 assists, 2 steals.2, a very nice line. He was 5-8 from the line, not great but movement in the right direction.

Aside from the numbers he changed two shots in the first few possessions. That helped set the defensive tone for the game.

On area that must improve is the guards and DC have to get on the same page. They expected alley oops and threw them when DC was not ready. In fact, they were never really in sync with DC when he did clear out space.

I do agree he is still coming back from the injury. It also affects his his explosion a bit. As he rounds into shape, he will become what we expect.
 
husky429 said:
Clingan has never had particularly great hands. It seems like a couple writers wrote that he had good hands in articles, and people have run with it--it was never true though. Big boys develop later, so it's not really a surprise. He'll get there.
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He really just needs to finish better. It’s been beaten like a dead horse but he seems to be too rushed and erratic. Also, i’ve noticed he’s often too deep towards the baseline when he gets the ball and doesn’t work to get in more ideal position. Just little things that can easily be ironed out, but they need to happen sooner rather than later.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
He really just needs to finish better. It’s been beaten like a dead horse but he seems to be too rushed and erratic. Also, i’ve noticed he’s often too deep towards the baseline when he gets the ball and doesn’t work to get in more ideal position. Just little things that can easily be ironed out, but they need to happen sooner rather than later.
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I think this is where his HS path is starting to show. Just doesn't have the experience versus defenders this size and offense always takes a little longer to develop.
 
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husky429 said:
Clingan has never had particularly great hands. It seems like a couple writers wrote that he had good hands in articles, and people have run with it--it was never true though. Big boys develop later, so it's not really a surprise. He'll get there.
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From what I seen of Donovan since he’s been here is that he has good hands. I think due to expectations some are too hard on him. His offense hasn’t produced great results yet but he isn’t getting the ball in the spots he did last year. His defense is really what makes him indispensable and Clingan will continue to improve. The season is early but Donovan is still averaging 13 & 7 in 21 minutes. He also clears out a lot of space making it easier for our other players to rebound.
 
willie99 said:
Indiana is a good program with an incredible fan base. They travel, they're loyal, they cheer their team on

No problem what-so-ever with Indiana fans, I like them

We're just too good right now



PS: and I think Woody has to do better
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The highest college applications for high school students in ct is UConn. The second is Indiana. Lot of fairfield counties Westchester and New Jersey alumni from there
 
Was impressed with Newton's D and leadership vs Indiana.Had tough on ball D-Hitting the boards-Communicating with teammates on rotations-esp. the young bucks.Much more vocal this year.

He and Cam will do a good job holding down the fort until Steph gets back. Can see where Steph would have/could have helped yesterday. Cam is highly efficient in a quiet way. Great leader through his actions.

Dan had to be happy with the rebounding and tough D for game 4 of the season.
 
Waquoit said:
I guess what he's saying is Mike Woodson can't coach.
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Talent alone does not win basketball games. Players and teamwork beat talent most of the the time. Woodson is a very good defensive coach. They played very good defensively made us work to get our shots. I think IU will be a middle of the pack B1G team this year.
 
SilentDog said:
Players and teamwork beat talent most of the the time.
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Meh, idk about that. Talent wins most of the time. Now if the talent is pretty close, teamwork and coaching will make a huge difference. But MOST of the time? No.

Stonehill wasn't going to beat us no matter how much teamwork they had. They are actually a very well-coached and bought in team.
 
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husky429 said:
Meh, idk about that. Talent wins most of the time. Now if the talent is pretty close, teamwork and coaching will make a huge difference. But MOST of the time? No.

Stonehill wasn't going to beat us no matter how much teamwork they had. They are actually a very well-coached and bought in team.
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Ok I will modify my statement it was too absolute. But IU has talent. It’s not like we were way better from a talent standpoint. Also to clarify TN is not exceptionally quick or can’t jump over you, he was not the most talented player from a physical skills point of view, but he was the best basketball player on the court followed closely in this game by Cam. Neither of those guys overwhelm you with physical talent but they get where they need to get and make shots. They are the definition of basketball players.
 
Why do people always confuse athleticism and measurables with talent? Cam Spencer won't win any athletic and size competitions against other high major D1 basketball players but he's an extremely talented player.
 
superjohn said:
Why do people always confuse athleticism and measurables with talent? Cam Spencer won't win any athletic and size competitions against other high major D1 basketball players but he's an extremely talented player.
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I agree with your statement. Mgbako was the 8th rated recruit in the country last year. Did he score yesterday. I did note the difference between physical talent and basketball talent. That is why I love the college game. You don’t need to be Giannis or Wemby or Tatum , I can keep on going…..but the point is players like TN and CS are fun to watch and we will win a lot of basketball games with them. Unfortunately the people who run NBA teams make decisions on physical talent when they draft a player. AS was the best player in CBB last year. I would not have traded him in season for any other player in the country last year. But he will be challenged to make a NBA game day roster because of the way players are evaluated. With Castle back and CS and TN we have the best back court in CBB. But only one of those players will be drafted.
 
elmcityboy said:
the point to my brother that this indiana team looked like a bit like a late-career kevin ollie team. they kept hanging around, getting close, then making a series of mistakes. finally, their spirit was broken and it turned into a blowout.
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Samoo said:
Who was louder?
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I thought it felt like certainly more Indiana fans, early on they were louder but as the game progressed and they started losing we were louder
 
SilentDog said:
I agree with your statement. Mgbako was the 8th rated recruit in the country last year. Did he score yesterday. I did note the difference between physical talent and basketball talent. That is why I love the college game. You don’t need to be Giannis or Wemby or Tatum , I can keep on going…..but the point is players like TN and CS are fun to watch and we will win a lot of basketball games with them. Unfortunately the people who run NBA teams make decisions on physical talent when they draft a player. AS was the best player in CBB last year. I would not have traded him in season for any other player in the country last year. But he will be challenged to make a NBA game day roster because of the way players are evaluated. With Castle back and CS and TN we have the best back court in CBB. But only one of those players will be drafted.
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You should love the NBA game too. Jokic isn't winning any running and jumping contests and he's far and away the best basketball player in the world. His talent is insane.
 
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superjohn said:
You should love the NBA game too. Jokic isn't winning any running and jumping contests and he's far and away the best basketball player in the world. His talent is insane.
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I was actually thinking about Jokic when, I was replying. Nobody expected this of him when he was drafted. Honestly the main reason I don’t follow the NBA other than the one I mentioned is because I am a Knicks fan. I think Brunson falls into the same category. Certainly not Jokic but he is 6’ 1” maybe, is not fast, can’t jump but he is the main reason I have started watching again, he beats the odds with BBIQ and shear determination. Jokic as far as BBIQ might be from another planet. As people have said he is playing chess not checkers.
 
husky429 said:
I think this is where his HS path is starting to show. Just doesn't have the experience versus defenders this size and offense always takes a little longer to develop.
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We need to give him time.

His offensive effectiveness last year was derivative of the "softening up" of the defense courtesy of Adama Sanogo, prior to him entering the game.

Now he is busy absorbing that adrenaline fueled initial burst from the opponent. To say nothing of the bumping and hacking that the officials let slide.

He will get stronger and better. He is a smart guy. He will take the coaching, adjust and become that player most of us think he already is.
 
husky429 said:
Clingan has never had particularly great hands. It seems like a couple writers wrote that he had good hands in articles, and people have run with it--it was never true though. Big boys develop later, so it's not really a surprise. He'll get there.
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Is Clingan growing into his hands or the other way around? In any case, he tends to not focus on the ball and bats it around like volleyball, then grabs it or bats it out of bounds. Just needs more focus, that should come with coaching. He is an amazing defensive presence and changes a lot of shots near the hoop. Fun to watch! For him to play 30 minutes, after an injury and only have two fouls is great.
 
Great game for UConn. However, the amount of Indiana fans at the game were alarming. I'd say it was 55% UConn 45% Indiana
 
Bboy Lace said:
If his minutes were doubled in this game he could've had a double double in assists and rebounds.
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That’s the “good” that we get from Diarra when he steps on the court. Plus energy, toughness, and competitor.

The “bad” is that if Diarra’s minutes were doubled, he could’ve also had a double double in both turnovers and getting beaten on blow bys to the basket on D.
 
Just an observation. Some schools take colors more seriously than others. Example, Oklahoma State fans ALL wore orange to the final 4. Every single one of them. UConn fans may wear blue, white, gray, or other. I'd imagine Indiana fans are crazy color conscious concerning clothes, too.
 
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