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Irish Loop said:
I'm honestly not sure how one can tell with the limited evidence we have. Did GDL make some questionable calls? Yeah, I think so. But I saw a lot of things in the last two years. I saw more dropped passes with wide open WR's than I could fathom. I saw more terrible throws than one would believe. Missed kicks, dropped punts, dropped INT's.

Maybe it's just bad luck. Maybe the cupboard really was bare and Jordan Todman seriously made up for, well, everything else. Maybe GDL isn't that good. My feeling is that it's a combination of all of these things, but most people seem particularly interested in finding a single point of blame (coaching staff) and ignoring all of the other aspects holding us back.
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Limited evidence? You're kidding right? Dropped passes with wide open WR's? Davis and Griffin caught everything thrown their way. Unfortunately GDL didn't realize this and when he did Whitmer threw more than one bad passes to Griffin.

While there were drops I did see Phillips improve as the season went on. Nick had his share of drops as did Smith but it was not of epidemic proportions.

The wildcat was idiotic yet he kept trying. He tried to implement a pro blocking scheme that some NFL teams struggle with.

He was not creative by any means. He was unable to adapt at halftime, hence the lack of second half scoring. Throw in a trick play with a QB who just got his bell rung as well a concussion a week earlier, and what you have is a horrible college OC and OL coach.

Really not debatable but please continue.
 
businesslawyer said:
This team went 3-4 in the Big East in a year when 5-2 shared the crown. We would have been 4-3 even with this staff but for a totally miraculous loss to Temple based on a meltdown from our kicker and our defense celebrating with the clock running during an opponent's two minute drill. Would an outstanding coach -- such as a Saban -- not have gotten us Temple plus one more? I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't have.
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But we don't have Saban. And there a whole lot of coaches between Pasqualoni and Saban. So the question is, is there a coach significantly better than Pasqualoni who would come here? Talking about Nick Saban does not convince me there is, only that there are, perhaps, unreasonable expectations about the kind of coaches who would come to UConn.
 
sportsart said:
Remember these guys get paid to write so it must have been the lack of talent. John's a good guy but he must be drinking the kool aid as well.

The wildcat alone is enough proof GDL was a poor OC.
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He didn't run a Wildcat.
 
businesslawyer said:
This team went 3-4 in the Big East in a year when 5-2 shared the crown. We would have been 4-3 even with this staff but for a totally miraculous loss to Temple based on a meltdown from our kicker and our defense celebrating with the clock running during an opponent's two minute drill. Would an outstanding coach -- such as a Saban -- not have gotten us Temple plus one more? I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't have.
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We went 2-5. Try as you may to block it out, but we did, in fact, lose to South Florida as well.
 
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sportsart said:
Limited evidence? You're kidding right? Dropped passes with wide open WR's? Davis and Griffin caught everything thrown their way. Unfortunately GDL didn't realize this and when he did Whitmer threw more than one bad passes to Griffin.

While there were drops I did see Phillips improve as the season went on. Nick had his share of drops as did Smith but it was not of epidemic proportions.

The wildcat was idiotic yet he kept trying. He tried to implement a pro blocking scheme that some NFL teams struggle with.

He was not creative by any means. He was unable to adapt at halftime, hence the lack of second half scoring. Throw in a trick play with a QB who just got his bell rung as well a concussion a week earlier, and what you have is a horrible college OC and OL coach.

Really not debatable but please continue.
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Geremy Davis and Ryan Griffin didn't drop any passes? Were you and I watching the same team?
 
Excalibur said:
Don Brown personified this -- he was tough, but the players loved him.
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"I'm nice, and I'm tough. I'll give you an idea what I mean. My two boys, I put one through college and the other I put through a wall." - Lou, Back to School
 
sdhusky said:
Looking at the passing game, the 2012 team passed for more yards than any UCONN team since Dan O except 1.

Passing Yards:
2005 - 1644
2006 - 1692
2007 - 2415
2008 - 1816
2009 - 2815
2010 - 1964
2011 - 2336
2012 -2765

But the amount of INT's and fumbles from the QB position basically outweighed the good.
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This post doesn't say anything without context.

When were those pass plays called? What was score? How far down were the Huskies? What down? This basically served to increase your post total...
 
Irish Loop said:
Geremy Davis and Ryan Griffin didn't drop any passes? Were you and I watching the same team?
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Please don't try and squeeze in drop "any" passes. If you did not notice that Ryan and Geremy made great catches all year long you are not being honest.

There is not a player alive that has not dropped a pass. I'm pretty sure pro players drop passes.

Davis and Griffin made some great catches this year and caught almost everything that came their way. Is that better?

With all that I posted and you were only able to comment on the dropped passes says a lot. Just not sure how anyone can defend GDL. He has done nothing to improve this team. Nada, zilch, nothing.
 
businesslawyer said:
You are correct. That is my fault.

Never mind.
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For some reason I though 3-4 as well. I keep forgetting that somehow we did actually lose to Temple. Silly me.

We basically lost to two MAC teams this season.
 
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Husky25 said:
This post doesn't say anything without context.

When were those pass plays called? What was score? How far down were the Huskies? What down? This basically served to increase your post total...
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Or. Lets include the total offense rank, and the total scoring rank. And them lets stack the rushing yards next to it as well.

Our passing yards increased by a few hundred, but our rushing yards decreased even more. It was a net loss offensively.
 
sportsart said:
Not sure what your getting at.
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By definition, UConn does not run the Wildcat formation. They call designed QB rushing plays run by the Backup QB. A Wildcat includes a direct snap to a non-QB player. It also should incorporate some threat to pass but I don't think that is a requirement.

The Wildcat is suppose to take the defense by surprise. How surprised are opposing defensive coordinators or their players when the PA guy announces the next play to everyone west of Kahoots, by virtue of substitution?

The only Wildcat play I recall from the 2012 season was the one that ended Whitmer's season.
 
sdhusky said:
Looking at the passing game, the 2012 team passed for more yards than any UCONN team since Dan O except 1.

Passing Yards:
2005 - 1644
2006 - 1692
2007 - 2415
2008 - 1816
2009 - 2815
2010 - 1964
2011 - 2336
2012 -2765

But the amount of INT's and fumbles from the QB position basically outweighed the good.
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Which year did GDL have us ranked in double digits in total offense? I'm fairly amazed that anyone is even attempting to defend his job performance here. Not like he has a track record to fall back on.

A position coach in the NFL actually suits him. But as a college OC he was in way over his head. Just not a good fit.
 
Husky25 said:
By definition, UConn does not run the Wildcat formation. They call designed QB rushing plays run by the Backup QB. A Wildcat includes a direct snap to a non-QB player. It also should incorporate some threat to pass but I don't think that is a requirement.

The Wildcat is suppose to take the defense by surprise. How surprised are opposing defensive coordinators or their players when the PA guy announces the next play to everyone west of Kahoots, by virtue of substitution?

The only Wildcat play I recall from the 2012 season was the one that ended Whitmer's season.
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Um...ok... LOL
 
Who cares what the heck that gimmick set was? Whatever it was, it only amounted to anything once every ten times it was called.

How stupidly was it implemented? GDL used to run it after TV timeouts, the whole point behind the use of it was to catch the defense off guard, be he basically telegraphed the whole thing to the other sideline.

We ran it routinely after big gains. It was so easy to pattern you could pretty much predict when he was going to call it. If amateur fans could do that, then imagine what a pro could do watching tape and by literally backwards engineering our playbook.
 
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sdhusky said:
Looking at the passing game, the 2012 team passed for more yards than any UCONN team since Dan O except 1.

Passing Yards:
2005 - 1644
2006 - 1692
2007 - 2415
2008 - 1816
2009 - 2815
2010 - 1964
2011 - 2336
2012 -2765

But the amount of INT's and fumbles from the QB position basically outweighed the good.
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Yeah, and the fact we had no running game, something we were actually good at from 2007-10. Brilliant move to demote the guy who produced 6 All-BE linemen. You can keep throwing Chandler (and Scott) under the bus all you want. It was the coaching.
 
Irish Loop said:
Nonononono. Don't you see it's all Pasqualoni's fault? Sure, our kicker managed to miss every kick he attempted against Temple, but that's clearly Pasqualoni's fault. All those dropped passes? Those terrible decisions to throw the ball into coverage? The inability to block? All GDL/Pasqualoni's fault.

The truth is nuanced and this is the Internet. We've got no time for nuance, sir. Blame first, ask questions later.
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When you have undisputedly one of least productive offenses in college football, either the players are horrid or the coaching and schemes are horrid. Based on the fact we had a previously productive back, an NFL caliber tight end, an average QB, some WR hands, and an Oline that performed significantly better the prior year, all roads lead in one primary direction. This isn't a few bad breaks. This is malpractice given we remained in numerous games that were winnable with only an average O performance.
 
ruskin said:
Yeah, and the fact we had no running game, something we were actually good at from 2007-10. Brilliant move to demote the guy who produced 6 All-BE linemen. You can keep throwing Chandler (and Scott) under the bus all you want. It was the coaching.
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I'm not throwing anybody under the bus. I'm saying that at the end of the day, players gotta make plays, and while the coaches have clearly made some mistakes, I have yet to see some irrefutable proof that Edsall or anybody else besides Nick Saban could turn this group of players into a great team. Yes, we had a great running game from 2007 to 2010. We also had Jordan Todman and Andre Dixon. I like McCombs, but he is neither of those two. We also had a great O-line. A bigger O-line, you might even notice.

I'm just not convinced that 100% of the blame goes to scheme. Given the amount of missed kicks, BS fumbles, dropped passes and picks, poor decisions, and all around lack of players making plays, I believe that this is a team where there is plenty of blame to go around. You can put it on Pasqualoni all you want, but if you can look at this team and see a bevy of BCS talent, then I don't know what to tell you.
 
BlueDogs said:
When you have undisputedly one of least productive offenses in college football, either the players are horrid or the coaching and schemes are horrid. Based on the fact we had a previously productive back, an NFL caliber tight end, an average QB, some WR hands, and an Oline that performed significantly better the prior year, all roads lead in one primary direction. This isn't a few bad breaks. This is malpractice given we remained in numerous games that were winnable with only an average O performance.
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Or maybe they're both pretty bad. It's not an either/or situation. Yes, we had ONE NFL caliber tight end. That does not an offense make. You need an O-line. We had none. We missed Moe Petrus and Mike Ryan real bad this year. It ain't the same guys. I'm sorry, but you are not paying attention if you think this year's O-line and last year's O-line were on the same talent level. Given a new QB, a new O-line, and new WR's, I am not at all shocked out that our offense underperformed.

And given all that, we were STILL a missed kick away from bowl eligibility.
 
Irish Loop said:
Or maybe they're both pretty bad. It's not an either/or situation. Yes, we had ONE NFL caliber tight end. That does not an offense make. You need an O-line. We had none. We missed Moe Petrus and Mike Ryan real bad this year. It ain't the same guys. I'm sorry, but you are not paying attention if you think this year's O-line and last year's O-line were on the same talent level. Given a new QB, a new O-line, and new WR's, I am not at all shocked out that our offense underperformed.

And given all that, we were STILL a missed kick away from bowl eligibility.
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Look, we are arguing about something painfully obvious. If Uconn put up the 80th best offense, our record changes by probably 2-3 games to the plus. They were so bad, a top 10 defense could not influence wins. You can't be the 118th worst offense out of 121 and expect to have a job. Sorry, P and GDL are cancer to an already severely weakened program. Warde is weak and lacks the fortitude to do what is needed, more concerned about his own welfare.
 
Irish Loop said:
I'm just not convinced that 100% of the blame goes to scheme. Given the amount of missed kicks, BS fumbles, dropped passes and picks, poor decisions, and all around lack of players making plays, I believe that this is a team where there is plenty of blame to go around. You can put it on Pasqualoni all you want, but if you can look at this team and see a bevy of BCS talent, then I don't know what to tell you.
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Don't you think coaching has something to do with missed kicks....fumbles....dropped passes...picks? How about burning the red shirt of a freshman RB...then playing him only on special teams? Meanwhile your running game struggles with your 160 lb. back and you never try the 200 pound true freshman at RB? He is good enough to burn the redshirt and plan on special teams, but not good enough to try at RB?

Like everyone has said throughout this thread...UConn's offense just needed to be bad...not awful to make a bowl against an easy schedule. The bad play calling, decisions and schemes made this offense awful this year. Not lack of talent.
 
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