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Message: [QUOTE="MadDogRevival, post: 2511694, member: 8028"] Don't know, but I'd like the value of the degree to dictate the answer. Subsidies and a mispercetion of the value of a lot of the degrees offered substantially drive the number, which is a shame. For many it is. No distinction there, other than, I suppose, it's less painful to get a low value degree if your mom and dad paid for it and you walk out with no debt. I think that the fundamental concept of college is outdated and fatally flawed for most majors. I don't believe that most jobs that college grads end up working require 4 years of college. A very good proportion don't require 2 years of college. I think what drives college attendance, as I've noted, is a misguided societal perception of the value of a degree. But to your point. Certification needs to change in this country. It is. Slowly, at first, but the direction is clear. Do you want to be a firefighter? Okay. You come in, you take the civil service test about firefighting, and the people with the highest scores get the job (minus some obligatory score meddling to favor particular folks - in my town, you get bump ups for military service, and so on), and they don't ask where you got the knowledge. That's the basic model that should be used for almost every job out there. Take us lawyers for example. It's a protectionist system. You've gotta get a 4 year degree then a 3 year degree after high school. 7 years. To be a lawyer? Lol. Law school costs 80-150 k. When you're done, and you pass from an "accredited" school, are you a lawyer? Nope. You've gotta pass the bar exam. What it should be is this: anybody can take the bar exam. If you pass, and you meet other basic criteria (no criminal record, over a certain age), you're a lawyer. Everything I learned in law school I could have easily learned on my own, and for a handful of classes my professors were so bad that my time spent in their classes and studying for their exams would have been better spent simply reading law books. Law school and the branding process are fundamentally control protocols to enrich law schools and lawyers. If you moved to implement my suggestion, lawyers, law school administrators, and law professors would all wail in unison at the horrors that would be unleashed. What would really happen is that the cost of a lawyer to probate your will or represent you for a 1st DUI or draft a deed would plummet, as smart, motivated 20 year olds got their JDs and competed with the institutionalized "serial billers", as I call them. The silliness that law school teaches you to "think" like a lawyer is condescending and self-serving. Based on that, it should be obvious that my system would dis-advantage the born-rich and help poor, motivated kids by allowing them to bypass the college process, which was set up by the wealthy and which operates significantly for the benefit of the wealthy. [/QUOTE]

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