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but I hate playing Marquette and seeing Coach Buzz "Humpty Dumpty" Williams.
 
Buzz Lightyear.

To infinity and beyond.
 
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Prezidint said:
He's a classy guy and he runs a good program.

I like him.
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All I know, Calhoun doesn't let his team run an alley-opp play with less than 10 seconds left and up 10+.

It shows a lack of class. I get teams are trying to run it up against UConn this year if they can, it gives a team juice to think they beat up on the defending National Champs but for all the crap Calhoun gets, he doesn't let his teams do that crap.

He is the third coach to do it this year. None of them pull that crap with Calhoun here. There is a complete lack of respect for Blaney.
 
im going to come out and say it

I hate watching Uconn this year, we should be more worried about how we are doing this year, we are Uconn no one will feel sorry for us.
 
caw said:
All I know, Calhoun doesn't let his team run an alley-opp play with less than 10 seconds left and up 10+. None of them pull that crap with Calhoun here. There is a complete lack of respect for Blaney.
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Nonsense. The lack of class is coming from our end, bitching and moaning about ALLOWING THEM to alley oop with under 10 seconds left.

You don't want to be a doormat, don't lay down.
 
Buzz Williams is what Jim Calhoun was, once. Fiery guy who transfers it all to his team who plays to the last inch of the court.

UConn should be so lucky to get a coach like him. Unless they do something stupid like turn it over to someone with no experience.

And they'd never do that.
 
Prezidint said:
Nonsense. The lack of class is coming from our end, bitching and moaning about ALLOWING THEM to alley oop with under 10 seconds left.

You don't want to be a doormat, don't lay down.
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Have you watched a UConn team do that in the past 20 years without getting completely reamed out by Calhoun?

Calhoun doesn't rub it in on teams like that. It's a fact and something I appreciate about Calhoun.
 
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zls44 said:
Buzz Williams is what Jim Calhoun was, once. Fiery guy who transfers it all to his team who plays to the last inch of the court.

UConn should be so lucky to get a coach like him. Unless they do something stupid like turn it over to someone with no experience.

And they'd never do that.
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As long as it isn't actually Buzz...

BTW Buzz had a ton of head coaching experience before taking over at Marquette. That whole 14-17 season at New Orleans was amazing. So amazing he went back to being an assistant the next year.
 
caw said:
As long as it isn't actually Buzz...

BTW Buzz had a ton of head coaching experience before taking over at Marquette. That whole 14-17 season at New Orleans was amazing. So amazing he went back to being an assistant the next year.
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So...your reasoning for why Ollie would be good to take over the program with no HC experience is that Buzz Williams did the same thing, at the lowest level in D-I, and failed*? That proves my point, completely.



*14-17 at UNO is miracle-worker stuff
 
It's OUR job to stop them from pouring it on with fashion. Not Buzz's. If we don't want to get embarrassed don't give up at the end of the game.
 
caw said:
Have you watched a UConn team do that in the past 20 years without getting completely reamed out by Calhoun?

Calhoun doesn't rub it in on teams like that. It's a fact and something I appreciate about Calhoun.
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I remember a player (just not which one) shooting a 3 at the end of a lopsided game getting raked over the coals by Calhoun a few years back. I can only imagine what he would have done with a 10-seconds-to-go-up-by-double-digits alley oop
 
zls44 said:
So...your reasoning for why Ollie would be good to take over the program with no HC experience is that Buzz Williams did the same thing, at the lowest level in D-I, and failed*? That proves my point, completely.



*14-17 at UNO is miracle-worker stuff
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No, my point is that past success (or lack thereof) is not an indicator of future success (or lack thereof). Buzz failed in his first year of being a head coach, came back to being an assistant at Marquette for a season and suddenly turned into a darn good coach. That is what I don't buy.

I am in favor of Ollie, but I also am OK with other options.

*14-17 is a miracle? Lots of miracles going on down there then.
  • 1999, 10-18;
  • 2000, 18-13;
  • 2001, 15-14;
  • 2002, 15-14;
  • 2003, 17-14;
  • 2004, 13-17;
  • 2005, 10-19;
  • 2007, 20-13;
  • 2008, 11-19;
  • 2009, 8-22
Edit: I didn't include 2010 or 2011 because UNO went D2 recently.
 
rw005 said:
but I hate playing Marquette and seeing Coach Buzz "Humpty Dumpty" Williams.
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Don't understand why, they ball. They play the way UConn basketball used to play.
 
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caw said:
I didn't include 2010 or 2011 because UNO went D2 recently.
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You happen to know why? Think it was just Katrina? No institutional or community support. At all. Imagine a school with no money, no alumni base, in a huge, poor city without much basketball talent.

That.
 
zls44 said:
You happen to know why? Think it was just Katrina? No institutional or community support. At all. Imagine a school with no money, no alumni base, in a huge, poor city without much basketball talent.

That.
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Duh, still doesn't make it a miracle what Buzz did. Unless a lot of other coaches are also miracle workers there.
 
caw said:
No, my point is that past success (or lack thereof) is not an indicator of future success (or lack thereof). Buzz failed in his first year of being a head coach, came back to being an assistant at Marquette for a season and suddenly turned into a darn good coach. That is what I don't buy.

I am in favor of Ollie, but I also am OK with other options.

*14-17 is a miracle? Lots of miracles going on down there then.
  • 1999, 10-18;
  • 2000, 18-13;
  • 2001, 15-14;
  • 2002, 15-14;
  • 2003, 17-14;
  • 2004, 13-17;
  • 2005, 10-19;
  • 2007, 20-13;
  • 2008, 11-19;
  • 2009, 8-22
Edit: I didn't include 2010 or 2011 because UNO went D2 recently.
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Could you please explain why you think a mediocre performance in one year at a different level of play makes him less of a good coach, when we've seen what he's done at Marquette? And that he keeps beating us?
 
businesslawyer said:
Could you please explain why you think a mediocre performance in one year at a different level of play makes him less of a good coach, when we've seen what he's done at Marquette? And that he keeps beating us?
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I think you are, either intentionally or not, putting words in my mouth. Or just misreading my post. I never said he was a "less of a good coach", you inferred that.

I said, "and suddenly turned into a darn good coach. That is what I don't buy".

I believe he was the same coach at UNO as he was in his first year at Marquette. I don't believe some amazing metamorphosis occurred by him being the head coach for one year prior to taking over a BE team like Marquette. I think if he had never been the head coach at UNO, he would still be as successful at Marquette as he is now. He only had 1 year of being an assistant in between. I think he is good coach now, and the main difference between his horrid year at UNO and his first year at Marquette at more to do with situation than coaching talent. I'm trying to show that his past failure was not an indication that he was a bad coach but rather that the past doesn't always paint a good picture of the future when it comes to coaching. The coach has to fit the situation. Buzz fits in Marquette and that fit has allowed him to show how good he is, even after just being mediocre at UNO.

Now why would this be an argument for Ollie? Simple, if Buzz can go from coaching a team like UNO to a mediocre record to coaching a team like Marquette to a pretty darn good record in the course of one year as an assistant, it shows that young coaches can (as in, is possible) succeed with little useful head coaching experience, if the situation is correct. I think the situation at UConn would favor Ollie, even if he has minimal head coaching experience. Would Brad Stevens be good in UConn's environment? would Shaka? would the Hurley's? It's not simply a question of, "this guy looks good", it's a question of who fits UConn.
 
caw said:
I think you are, either intentionally or not, putting words in my mouth. Or just misreading my post. I never said he was a "less of a good coach", you inferred that.

I said, "and suddenly turned into a darn good coach. That is what I don't buy".

I believe he was the same coach at UNO as he was in his first year at Marquette. I don't believe some amazing metamorphosis occurred by him being the head coach for one year prior to taking over a BE team like Marquette. I think if he had never been the head coach at UNO, he would still be as successful at Marquette as he is now. He only had 1 year of being an assistant in between. I think he is good coach now, and the main difference between his horrid year at UNO and his first year at Marquette at more to do with situation than coaching talent. I'm trying to show that his past failure was not an indication that he was a bad coach but rather that the past doesn't always paint a good picture of the future when it comes to coaching. The coach has to fit the situation. Buzz fits in Marquette and that fit has allowed him to show how good he is, even after just being mediocre at UNO.

Now why would this be an argument for Ollie? Simple, if Buzz can go from coaching a team like UNO to a mediocre record to coaching a team like Marquette to a pretty darn good record in the course of one year as an assistant, it shows that young coaches can (as in, is possible) succeed with little useful head coaching experience, if the situation is correct. I think the situation at UConn would favor Ollie, even if he has minimal head coaching experience. Would Brad Stevens be good in UConn's environment? would Shaka? would the Hurley's? It's not simply a question of, "this guy looks good", it's a question of who fits UConn.
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You are correct. I misinterpreted where you were going with this. My bad.
 
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zls44 said:
Buzz Williams is what Jim Calhoun was, once. Fiery guy who transfers it all to his team who plays to the last inch of the court.

UConn should be so lucky to get a coach like him. Unless they do something stupid like turn it over to someone with no experience.

And they'd never do that.
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You should have stopped before the last 2 sentences. You had us all.
 
zls44 said:
Buzz Williams is what Jim Calhoun was, once. Fiery guy who transfers it all to his team who plays to the last inch of the court.

UConn should be so lucky to get a coach like him. Unless they do something stupid like turn it over to someone with no experience.

And they'd never do that.
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what experience did Buzz Williams have before Marq?

he actually proves you don't need experience to be successful
 
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