I'm Anti Anti-Edsall

[businesslawyer]

Oh. You're still holding on to the P5 dream? Didn't know that. I just want to watch good competitive FBS football.

P5 is an artificial line. The quality of the American in football was fine. I know there were problems with us in the conference, and the fit was God awful, but the quality of the football was fine. I want to be able to compete at that level again. I don't need to be in Michigan's conference, but if I go to a place like the Big House once every 6 or 8 years I want to go thinking I can win the game, as I did in 2010.

 

[HuskyDogArt]

I believe that UConn breaking away from the AAC is the start of a realignment. I still think the B12 is unstable and now the Pac12 is sucking, so I think you might see some action - and I'd say in 5 years you'll see independents football teams. You might see the AAC teams as Indy...

 

[metsfan2323]

Great OP and thread.

I never understood and never will understand the posters who claim to be fans but continue to bash away at the program ad nauseam, in the off season, after it becomes obvious that no change is imminent. It's moronic adolescent behavior IMO.

 

[gtcam]

He should be fired immediately. Never should have been rehired. Lifetime coaching record is more loses than wins. Was given 4 1/2 years at his dream school and then given the boot. Why wait to do the same?
UConn student athletes should not have to put up with this 5 year experiment in futility.
Everything he does is self serving, has no eye discipline and should be fired immediately (did I say that already).
It's never too early to stop going in the wrong direction.
If the AD can't find/hire a competent replacement then fire the AD.

PLEASE come up with one or two sure fire coaches that would say yes to this job right now with the knowledge of the financial restrictions
There are none and if there were they would be here
As far as the student athletes - unless I'm missing something or you have an inside link which I highly doubt - I haven't heard any appreciable negative talk concerning RE from the young men.
In fact Lashlee and the others haven't caused any noise to cause a raised eyebrow
He's not on your list of party invitees - we get it
As BL tried so nicely to say - give it a break
RE and DB the db are here and aren't going anywhere
BTW - your comment about being self serving is so far from the truth in so many ways

I remember talking to him the day he was re-introduced and he stated that in looking at the roster there would be no turn around for at least 3 recruitment seasons. And in the 3rd he gets hit with losing conference alignment.

 

[gtcam]

Great OP and thread.

I never understood and never will understand the posters who claim to be fans but continue to bash away at the program ad nauseam, in the off season, after it becomes obvious that no change is imminent. It's moronic adolescent behavior IMO.

Agreed
There are folks on here who claim if you don't complain and bash then you aren't a true fan
Mind blowing

 

[mikedog10]

At this point, anyone who demands the coach be fired needs to contribute an 8-figure donation to the athletic department. That might be enough to get a new coach and assistants, for at least a couple years.

 

[BlueDogs]

At this point, anyone who demands the coach be fired needs to contribute an 8-figure donation to the athletic department. That might be enough to get a new coach and assistants, for at least a couple years.

Been contributing for 20 years in season tickets, as many have. So, I think we have the right to voice displeasure whether you care to hear it or not. The sudden love fest for an utter failure at 6-30 with a grand total of 1 FBS win in the 2 years is fascinating.

 

[businesslawyer]

You don’t just come back from a decade of ineptitude which is what you’re asking people to accept.

We've had a decade of ineptitude. Out choices are to try to come back from it or not. Are you implying "not" is the correct choice?

 

[businesslawyer]

Been contributing for 20 years in season tickets, as many have. So, I think we have the right to voice displeasure whether you care to hear it or not. The sudden love fest for an utter failure at 6-30 with a grand total of 1 FBS win in the 2 years is fascinating.

I clearly did not say that you or anyone else shouldn't voice displeasure. I am not pleased. Isn't that clear? I literally said it's fine to want Edsall fired. What I did say is don't turn this into KO all over again, where once you decide he should be fired than absolutely every thing he does, not matter how rational or immaterial, gets bashed just because you (or anyone) is angry.

 

[Palatine]

I'm not sure I know what anti-anti means. Is it double anti? Like you're really really anti-Edsall? Of is it the two negatives makes a positive thing?

 

[businesslawyer]

I'm not sure I know what anti-anti means. Is it double anti? Like you're really really anti-Edsall? Of is it the two negatives makes a positive thing?

Maybe if you bothered to read the initial post, where the first friggin paragraph explains it ....

 

[The Funster]

Under the old TV/media model (read: the current conference model) I think UConn football would wither and die. However, the multiplexitivity (say that 3 times fast) of the streaming model will save our school's football future.

Right now, things surely suck but a more interesting, regional schedule will gain traction and I do think interest will rise if the school starts getting more positive results. Right now, Randy probably is our best best to turn this Titanic of a program around. In two years I hope to start seeing out of the hole we had fallen in.

 

[ZooCougar]

We've had a decade of ineptitude. Out choices are to try to come back from it or not. Are you implying "not" is the correct choice?

No, what I am saying is that I don’t understand why you are now asking us to accept 15 seasons of ineptitude.

 

[businesslawyer]

No, what I am saying is that I don’t understand why you are now asking us to accept 15 seasons of ineptitude.

I still don't understand what you mean. Don't you have to accept what's already happened, since you can't change it? Do you want me to go back in time and demand we pay Edsall more so he doesn't leave for Maryland the first time? To not let P bring Deleon with him as a condition? To not hire HCVV? The past ten years is what it is, and I've sat through it in the stadium not because it's been fun but because -- to date -- I refuse to withdraw support for the program because then I become part of the problem rather than part of the solution.

The only question is are we likely to help or harm ourselves by dismissing Edsall now. As I keep saying, I am fine with people who want to do that. I'm just not fine with substituting anger for analysis and making a move that is more likely to harm us than help us just because we're angry. There is a difference between wanting Edsall fired and pretending that DB doesn't have a rational plan for our particular situation.

 

[Waquoit]

Kudos to the OP. I can't stand Edsall but I pledge to be Anti-Anti-Edsall for the next year. Edsall showing some success this season is the best thing that can happen to the program. He has a bunch of recruits coming in. He has to know that he needs to show some life this season. And our first year as an Indy has cluster potential, seems a bit too much to drop on a new guy. Let Randy deal with it.

 

[FartMan69]

Lmao. Bookmark this thread for halfway through next season. This board is 0 for life when defending bad coaches. I remember the Diaco and Ollie ships sinking and the same stoodges holding on for dear life.

 

[ZooCougar]

I still don't understand what you mean. Don't you have to accept what's already happened, since you can't change it? Do you want me to go back in time and demand we pay Edsall more so he doesn't leave for Maryland the first time? To not let P bring Deleon with him as a condition? To not hire HCVV? The past ten years is what it is, and I've sat through it in the stadium not because it's been fun but because -- to date -- I refuse to withdraw support for the program because then I become part of the problem rather than part of the solution.

The only question is are we likely to help or harm ourselves by dismissing Edsall now. As I keep saying, I am fine with people who want to do that. I'm just not fine with substituting anger for analysis and making a move that is more likely to harm us than help us just because we're angry. There is a difference between wanting Edsall fired and pretending that DB doesn't have a rational plan for our particular situation.

His recruits aren’t any better than Diaco’s. There is no evidence of progress.

We just lost a recruit to Bowling Green.

What’s the point of waiting 2 years to confirm the obvious and then get on someone else’s 3-5 year progression?

Some say we can’t afford to get rid of him. I am saying the damage done is so bad that we can’t afford to keep him.

 

[businesslawyer]

Lmao. Bookmark this thread for halfway through next season. This board is 0 for life when defending bad coaches. I remember the Diaco and Ollie ships sinking and the same stoodges holding on for dear life.

The Board defended Edsall not just in the years leading up to the Fiesta Bowl but during that year. I sat in the Big House and listened to a UConn fan scream that Edall should be fired for bad play calling. On literally the opening play of the season. You could not be more wrong.

 

[businesslawyer]

His recruits aren’t any better than Diaco’s. There is no evidence of progress.

We just lost a recruit to Bowling Green.

What’s the point of waiting 2 years to confirm the obvious and then get on someone else’s 3-5 year progression?

Some say we can’t afford to get rid of him. I am saying the damage done is so bad that we can’t afford to keep him.

There was evidence of progress. Almost all our home games this year were competitive and worth attending. We had chances to get over the hump and we couldn't. Last year, most of them were wholly uncompetitive and a waste of time. Again, I am not defending his performance to date but I'm not willing to conclude there was no evidence of progress either.

 

[ZooCougar]

There was evidence of progress. Almost all our home games this year were competitive and worth attending. We had chances to get over the hump and we couldn't. Last year, most of them were wholly uncompetitive and a waste of time. Again, I am not defending his performance to date but I'm not willing to conclude there was no evidence of progress either.

Sorry but by any reasonable measure that’s not meaningful progress.

How many Edsall recruits made one of the three All AAC teams?

 

[businesslawyer]

Sorry but by any reasonable measure that’s not meaningful progress.

How many Edsall recruits made one of the three All AAC teams?

Enough. You can have the last word on this so feel free to use it. The results have sucked, I have no interest in defending what we have (haven't) accomplished and I don't intend to try to use metrics in a debate because until we stop sucking I don't think statistical metrics are meaningful. How many underclassman from a team that hasn't won a conference game in two years are even going to be looked at seriously for that kind of honor.

 

[noeynox]

Sorry but by any reasonable measure that’s not meaningful progress.

How many Edsall recruits made one of the three All AAC teams?

I mean I'm not happy with Edsall either, but they legit had chances to win both the Houston and ECU games and you can even stretch it and say the Illinois game, and this just wasn't possible last year.

The flips side is you can argue all 3 games were lost when Edsall went into his usual Turtle up, conservative mode at various times during all 3 games. I could see why Maryland was his dream job, he loves to turtle up.

I really do expect another slight jump next year. You're starting to see them hold their own better on both lines. It starts there.

 

[Alum86]

We got drubbed for the past 2 years, not competitive in our conference. I mean blown out, leave at half shellacked. Recruiting is horrid, and any self respecting admin would get rid of him. It is not my job to come up with coaches names or to fund the program. And would the doofuses who continue to say that shut up please.

 

[AndOne]

Is this the thread where posters rationalize keeping Edsell because we can't afford anyone better and complain about other posters being over-dramatic on a fan forum? LOL. First time on the internet?

 

[ZooCougar]

Enough. You can have the last word on this so feel free to use it. The results have sucked, I have no interest in defending what we have (haven't) accomplished and I don't intend to try to use metrics in a debate because until we stop sucking I don't think statistical metrics are meaningful. How many underclassman from a team that hasn't won a conference game in two years are even going to be looked at seriously for that kind of honor.

How can we get to the point where we stop sucking without doing a root cause analysis and use metrics? It sounds like you think that in this competitive environment that this will just happen on its own.

Are you dismissing the possibility that we can’t afford to keep him? If you can’t defend his performance then you have to assume that it won’t improve.

You really think that two more years of Edsall and then around 3 years of a new guy before we sniff mediocrity is NOT going to cause irreparable damage.

I don’t see why my position is irrational. If anything, it’s Alarmist but 100% justified.

 

[businesslawyer]

How can we get to the point where we stop sucking without doing a root cause analysis and use metrics? It sounds like you think that in this competitive environment that this will just happen on its own.

Are you dismissing the possibility that we can’t afford to keep him? If you can’t defend his performance then you have to assume that it won’t improve.

You really think that two more years of Edsall and then around 3 years of a new guy before we sniff mediocrity is NOT going to cause irreparable damage.

I don’t see why my position is irrational. If anything, it’s Alarmist but 100% justified.

I think the position that Edsall should be fired now is perfectly rational. I keep saying that, I don't know why you don't hear it. I'm only saying it's not the only rational position. (I knew I said I'd shut up but at least fight me on stuff we disagree about.)

 

[uconnbill]

Football is not being saved by this move. The AD as a whole may be more healthy, but we will probably not have a team in 5 years’ time.

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That's an opinion, and nothing more. Football will be here in five years. In what form, we don't know as of yet.

 

[EdgewoodNHV]

There are basically two positions in this argument.

1. Edsall, despite being an apparently mediocre coach, is the guy we can afford and who wants to be here and is literally the only human on the Earth who has ever produced any success at UConn so I guess he's the guy even though it's been a dumpster fire far beyond anything we could've imagined.
2. We have to fire Edsall and hire yet another new coach who will want to bring in his own recruits and is going to have serious problems recruiting in a basketball school with no conference. After all, every time we think it can't get worse, they prove us wrong.

It is the arrogance of the Internet Message Board Community that anybody can pick one of these options and pretend it's actually good with a straight face.

When your options are Bad and Worse, there's really no need to treat someone who disagrees with you as an idiot. They just picked the other (also bad) options. Calm down.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The AAC nuked the athletic program. The destruction of football and men's basketball was predicted by some posters (well, at least by me) back when UConn stuck with Cincinnati and South Florida and then let the former Big East reconstitute itself as a southern mid-major conference with a northern outlier, UConn. Failure was guaranteed when that happened. The people to blame for the current condition of football and men's basketball is the Administration from 2010 to 2012 and anyone who supported the asinine decision to stick with the AAC rather than go independent back then. That group includes virtually all of the posters on this board.

I don't like Edsall. He is from a different century schematically, and his in-game playcalling is poor on his best days. My biggest issue with Edsall is his inability to manage the opportunity presented by the Transfer Portal. UConn should be a huge net winner in the Transfer Portal, able to offer former 4 and 3 * players at mid and high level P5 schools immediate playing time, and yet somehow we are getting our butt kicked by it every single offseason.

I didn't like him that much the first time around either, and I thought several of the later teams of Edsall 1.0, in particular the 2009 team, underachieved. That said, he has a great track record as a talent evaluator and talent developer.

But given the conference situation for the last 10 years, plus potentially having the worst coach possibly in FBS history in Bob Diaco as his predecessor, I am willing to give him a pass for one more year.

 

[LoyalFanCT]

The AAC nuked the athletic program. The destruction of football and men's basketball was predicted by some posters (well, at least by me) back when UConn stuck with Cincinnati and South Florida and then let the former Big East reconstitute itself as a southern mid-major conference with a northern outlier, UConn. Failure was guaranteed when that happened. The people to blame for the current condition of football and men's basketball is the Administration from 2010 to 2012 and anyone who supported the asinine decision to stick with the AAC rather than go independent back then. That group includes virtually all of the posters on this board.

I don't like Edsall. He is from a different century schematically, and his in-game playcalling is poor on his best days. My biggest issue with Edsall is his inability to manage the opportunity presented by the Transfer Portal. UConn should be a huge net winner in the Transfer Portal, able to offer former 4 and 3 * players at mid and high level P5 schools immediate playing time, and yet somehow we are getting our butt kicked by it every single offseason.

I didn't like him that much the first time around either, and I thought several of the later teams of Edsall 1.0, in particular the 2009 team, underachieved. That said, he has a great track record as a talent evaluator and talent developer.

But given the conference situation for the last 10 years, plus potentially having the worst coach possibly in FBS history in Bob Diaco as his predecessor, I am willing to give him a pass for one more year.

Cincinnati Temple and Navy are not located in the South, the last time I checked. If the trio got UMass, UConn, Army and Buffalo to join and maybe Ohio University -- would things have been better for UConn?