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I'm really worried that this is the case.
If BiG doesn't improve, UConn has no shot
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B1G basketball could use a big bump too. That's where we come in. Let's also see how Hockey attendance does. I expect sold out games in HE. But we need football back to where RE had us at a minimum.
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I expect eyeballs watching TV. That more important than 2-4k empty seats in the XL.
Not sure what matters...
The B1G added Rutgers and UMD when neither had impressed on any field or court in recent memory. The ACC added Syracuse and Pitt when neither had done much either. Then Louisville gets added to the ACC because of football? Forget academics? Let's face it - unless the P-5 conferences have now come up with some new, predictable formula to gain entry to a conference, we just don't know what impact any of this has on CR. I agree it will help not to suck in football, but I don't know what that will mean in CR.
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The Big Ten is not adding anyone over hockey.
You are about to see the Big Ten come to the realization that they need to stop worrying about things like academic reseach and actually need schools that have legitimate football programs.
You are about to see the Big Ten come to the realization that they need to stop worrying about things like academic reseach and actually need schools that have legitimate football programs.
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Well, that would not be us. I still believe that content for BTN and market size is more important to Delaney.
EDIT: Wanted to add that mid week UConn hockey on BTN is something I would pay for and watch.
EDIT: Wanted to add that mid week UConn hockey on BTN is something I would pay for and watch.
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Let's be somewhat fair here & these are big "what ifs":
**Oregon runs the table in the Pac12 and pretty much shows the same dominance they did against MSU against the likes of Stanford, USC & UCLA - 40% odds
**VT comes mighty close to winning the ACC - at least play in the CCG - 40 % odds
**LSU comes mighty close to winning the SEC - at least play in the CCG - 25 % odds
**Wisconsin, Neb or PSU win the BIG with no more than 1 loss - 60% odds, one of these 3
If the above magically happens, we have overstated yet again, me included. CF has a way of making most, repeat "most" things right as the season wraps up.
In my honest opinion, the MSU loss is overstated. Eugene is a brutal place to play, the Ducks were in fact ranked at least 3 spots higher than MSU & between the two teams, MSU lost more from last year's roster, esp on defense. But no doubt, MSU returned more talent than most teams.
Michigan hired the wrong coach, and everyone has known this for at least 2 years.
OSU lacks depth, and of course a very crucial injury.
Perhaps the Eastern BIG is not as advertised this year.
Don't sleep on Iowa, they always start slow.
I can't explain Neb - they're a yo-yo program under Pellini.
Wisky has to solve QB and depth issues.
Your loss to BYU doesn't look so bad now, the folks in Austin are on suicide alert. Now watch, Tx will somehow beat OU or some crazy crap like that.
CF always has unexpected upsets & inexplicable score differentials.
**Oregon runs the table in the Pac12 and pretty much shows the same dominance they did against MSU against the likes of Stanford, USC & UCLA - 40% odds
**VT comes mighty close to winning the ACC - at least play in the CCG - 40 % odds
**LSU comes mighty close to winning the SEC - at least play in the CCG - 25 % odds
**Wisconsin, Neb or PSU win the BIG with no more than 1 loss - 60% odds, one of these 3
If the above magically happens, we have overstated yet again, me included. CF has a way of making most, repeat "most" things right as the season wraps up.
In my honest opinion, the MSU loss is overstated. Eugene is a brutal place to play, the Ducks were in fact ranked at least 3 spots higher than MSU & between the two teams, MSU lost more from last year's roster, esp on defense. But no doubt, MSU returned more talent than most teams.
Michigan hired the wrong coach, and everyone has known this for at least 2 years.
OSU lacks depth, and of course a very crucial injury.
Perhaps the Eastern BIG is not as advertised this year.
Don't sleep on Iowa, they always start slow.
I can't explain Neb - they're a yo-yo program under Pellini.
Wisky has to solve QB and depth issues.
Your loss to BYU doesn't look so bad now, the folks in Austin are on suicide alert. Now watch, Tx will somehow beat OU or some crazy crap like that.
CF always has unexpected upsets & inexplicable score differentials.
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We generally choke against OSU & the reason our Sat. win looks so-so is our starting QB may be playing with injury the rest of the year.
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Exactly.
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The Big Ten's problems are simple.
Their recruiting footprint is losing ground to the South and California and they don't get good enough players.
Just look at Nebraska's roster. It's got a ton of players from a state where the high school game is dying. Having another shark like Texas A&M kills them, nevermind schools like Missouri being able to sell the SEC.
If you aren't recruiting Cali/Texas/Florida and the deep South you are DOA in the national conversation.
Their recruiting footprint is losing ground to the South and California and they don't get good enough players.
Just look at Nebraska's roster. It's got a ton of players from a state where the high school game is dying. Having another shark like Texas A&M kills them, nevermind schools like Missouri being able to sell the SEC.
If you aren't recruiting Cali/Texas/Florida and the deep South you are DOA in the national conversation.
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It lost this ground decades ago, esp after most southern schools de-segregated.
I've been telling fellow BIG fans and critics alike, look at the Rose Bowl record & the transformation of de-segregation, especially starting in the 70s & definitely how the ACC, and most of all - how the SEC has adapted, along with Tex schools. The biggest beneficiary of all have been the Fl schools (UF, Miami, FSU) which make Fl by far the most successful state in terms of NCs since 1980 and it's the best state for recruits.
It's a simple formula: local prep talent empowers local & regional colleges.
The northern states have never had the proportion of rural-suburban environments of Black Americans like the south as well. This racial-ethnic group has always been far more urbanized in the north.
Btw, most northern powers have recruited nationally since the early 70s: Neb, ND, Mi, OSU, etc. ND has been the most successful, Neb next, but they had a solid Tx pipeline until joining the BIG.
The Pac12 and Ca is overstated. That state can't afford to feed the Pac12 in equivalent terms to states in the SEC, ACC and even Big12. Moreover, they have a home region advantage for the Rose Bowl, which matters more than given credit for.
The Pac12 has 3 AP titles since 1970, all USC & one is vacated. That's barely better than the BIG's 1.5 under actual conference membership. Bottom line, the BIG's best recruiting state, Ohio, is not on par with Ca in recruit production, mainly due to population, not per capita numbers.
My dad, a former sports writer, wrote in the early 80s that CF is a Sub Belt phenomenon especially - with far stronger post-season traditions than the northern states. Football, in general, is of course a national passion. But the NFL is so different than CF and the players mostly care about being on a team and getting a salary - A CAREER . Warm weather matters so much less at this point. I totally agree with my dad. And I've also been watching CF since the late 70s - the BIG had one great decade in my lifetime - the 90s.
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It's UOTE="whaler11, post: 1058624, member: 676"]The Big Ten's problems are simple.
Their recruiting footprint is losing ground to the South and California and they don't get good enough players.
Just look at Nebraska's roster. It's got a ton of players from a state where the high school game is dying. Having another shark like Texas A&M kills them, nevermind schools like Missouri being able to sell the SEC.
If you aren't recruiting Cali/Texas/Florida and the deep South you are DOA in the national conversation.[/QUOTE]
It's a problem that's been around for a while but grows with each decade. The Northeast & Midwest do produce talent but not enough to supply 14 B1G teams, several ACC schools , Notre Dame & other P5 schools who selectively recruit those areas.
Their recruiting footprint is losing ground to the South and California and they don't get good enough players.
Just look at Nebraska's roster. It's got a ton of players from a state where the high school game is dying. Having another shark like Texas A&M kills them, nevermind schools like Missouri being able to sell the SEC.
If you aren't recruiting Cali/Texas/Florida and the deep South you are DOA in the national conversation.[/QUOTE]
It's a problem that's been around for a while but grows with each decade. The Northeast & Midwest do produce talent but not enough to supply 14 B1G teams, several ACC schools , Notre Dame & other P5 schools who selectively recruit those areas.
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Again, exactly why I think they are increasingly likely to go South rather than East with any future additions.
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Disagree. They are trying to dominate major markets that are contiguous to and culturally compatible with the current group of schools. They will field the favorite college teams of the people in those markets. They will win as many championships as possible, but in the end, if football is a southern game, they'll accept being a secondary football conference rather than turn themselves into pretzels trying to totally alter their composition and structure.
Keep in mind that this is already a 14 team league and with expansion will be at least 16. How much can one or two southern schools move the football needle for the conference? Maybe Texas and Oklahoma could, but then you'd take Kansas for contiguity and UConn to get to 18 and fill out the major eastern markets. Other than those two, if the northern schools cannot compete for national championships, the B1G as a whole cannot compete.
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If B1G isn't good enough to survive, then there will soon be only one conference in the country.
Exactly. What's the goal of the P5 if everything is so football-centric? Go to 12-16 schools that really move the dial nationally? Alabama, USC, Ohio St, Texas, Oregon, Notre Dame, Florida, Florida St, Auburn, Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia, Michigan, maybe a few others. Will these schools want to continue to share revenue with schools that don't generate enough revenue on their own? Are lower-tier P5 schools going to be pushed out?
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Well that is the question isn't it?
Is the Big 10 a television network first and a football product second? Or are they a football league that has their own television network?
Maybe the fanbases will be content watching the league drift into mediocrity while the schools, coaches and admins rake in their millions - I don't think that is going to be the case.
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I actually think that's exactly the case.
Consider that they are probably the third best football league (at best), yet they are the richest (I believe, although it's close with the SEC). There's also no reason to believe that they won't maintain that 3rd place football status, since the Big12 seems to be getting slightly worse, and the ACC bottom feeders are worse (even if they have southern exposure). Whether they can improve their status to 2nd place or better is almost irrelevant. They will at least hold onto their status...and hold onto the money...
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It's a problem that's been around for a while but grows with each decade. The Northeast & Midwest do produce talent but not enough to supply 14 B1G teams, several ACC schools , Notre Dame & other P5 schools who selectively recruit those areas.[/QUOTE]
I agree with an earlier poster Cali is overstated/rated....give me Fla/Ohio/NJ/Del/Md/Penns kids anitime....Too much to do out there and their "soft" IMO for the most part and have to feed wai to mani barren state 's in the west. The numbers listed for Cali are a "mirage" Death Valle stile!! I lived there for awhile...not much interest like even here in NJ at the HS level either. Too man mountains,
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It's not about where the leagues rank overall. It's about getting your elite teams to the playoffs.
In 2014 you lose people's interest very quickly. Just check out the tickets available at the Big House this week.
Sure, the league will keep raking in their television money - but the fans are going to demand a better product. To me that means as they look to expand it's less about 'culture' and more about putting a good enough product on the field so
that the playoffs aren't just something you watch on TV.
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I agree with an earlier poster Cali is overstated/rated....give me Fla/Ohio/NJ/Del/Md/Penns kids anitime....Too much to do out there and their "soft" IMO for the most part and have to feed wai to mani barren state 's in the west. The numbers listed for Cali are a "mirage" Death Valle stile!! I lived there for awhile...not much interest like even here in NJ at the HS level either. Too man mountains,[/QUOTE]
I agree...and the'll stai the richest or darn close...rock solid conference full of flagships...win or lose people care.
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Tell that to PSU or Mich? Even in the Big twelve a UT thats stunk in the Mack Brown era but people care...product m butt!!
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He's not saying that people don't care, just that when the perception is that you are not competing nationally a percentage of your fan base does start to care less.
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I totally disagree. The B1G Conference knows exactly what it is and in my opinion is all about the academic side because they are, well, universities. Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, etc. will always have good football programs. Even Michigan which has been mediocre at best is still considered Michigan in football. Each conference only needs a few powerhouses because the P5 want it set up to favor those few powerhouses for the national championship. All other programs are gravy.
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The B1G will continue to exist as a power conference but the perception of the product does matter. Remember recruiting is the life line of every college sport. Being seen as sub par trickles down all the way to the athlete's you need to compete
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Meh. Ohio State will ALWAYS get the recruits.
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If run correctly, the Triple Option is almost impossible to stop at the college and high school level, but it's mainly due to the disparity in talent.
It's not run in the pros (defenses are too big, fast, and can hit like a freight train), and it's a dying offense because so. Nebraska used to recruit their linemen almost exclusively from their home state, but no skill position offensive players wanted to go because they weren't developed and if they were drafted, it'd be at a different position (See: Frazier, Tommy. See also: Crouch, Eric, and Frost, Scott). A Heisman trophy is basically a paper weight if they don't make the League as a QB.
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