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I wouldn't worry too much about UConn not making much noise in realignment talk

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Sportsman5 said:
Most universities are trying to actively upgrade their academics or get more research money. The difference for uconn is that they are making upgrades to both their athletic department, academics, and size of their university in a way that is in line with the BIG 10.

The BIG 10 is trying to expand hockey and lacrosse. Uconn has or is planning to upgrade both to major D1. The BIG 10 is comprised of universities with large enrollments and lots of research money. At a time when uconn is trying to improve the student to faculty ratio, become more selective about which students to accept, and has a housing shortage it is also increasing enrollment and plans to continue that until reaching 23-25,000. Significantly increasing enrollment and adding D1 sports that cost money to operate each year do not make sense unless they are working towards a specific goal to get in the BIG 10. It doesn't mean the big 10 has guaranteed anything to UConn, but it has obviously communicated what UConn needs to do in order to become a top candidate. Given that UConn appears to be taking major steps to do this, then that gives me confidence that UConn will have a good chance of getting in.
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Of course all of those things are exactly what a top flight university would be working on anyway regardless of whether the guiding handing of the B1G was there.
 
I hope Delaney is a visionary because all of the improvements that UCONN is making to become B1G-worthy will continue at a much faster clip once it is B1G-member.
 
Mr. Wonderful said:
I consider myself optimistic about our chances of joining the B1G, but your first paragraph is even too much for me. I mean, this is delusional level commentary. We've got some work to do to get that invite.
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It's not delusional. It's delusional if you are pessimistic.

I hate repeating myself, but people at the top of the Big 10 are speaking about us.
 
Butch said:
It's not delusional. It's delusional if you are pessimistic.

I hate repeating myself, but people at the top of the Big 10 are speaking about us.
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Link, Butch?
 
junglehusky said:
If (Heaven forbid) Cincy, UCF, Memphis and Houston all left to the B12 and UConn was stuck in the AAC, Butch would somehow look on the bright side of bringing in UMass and, I don't know, Fordham. Bless his heart.
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ODU > UMass.
 
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pj said:
He's no troll ... you guys are too sensitive ... and too pessimistic. He's simply making a point of Bayesian probability. If UConn is in, they'll be silent. If they are not in, they could be anything. They are silent. Ergo, they are more likely than not to be in.
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They are quite. Ergo, they are not out.
 
CL82 said:
Thanks, but there isn't a quote from a decision maker is there? Just took a quick look.
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Perhaps he is connected to the decision maker and his mouthpiece? That's at the top.
 
Exit 4 said:
UConn in the B1G would be a miracle. Oh my - it would be so much fun. Mardi Gras everyday.
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Which is why it wouldn't be a miracle. Because they know our fanbase's potential.
 
Butch said:
Which is why it wouldn't be a miracle. Because they know our fanbase's potential.
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So what is Delaney waiting for? Is there a tv contract or NCAA rule change we are waiting on?
 
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Butch said:
Perhaps he is connected to the decision maker and his mouthpiece? That's at the top.
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Yeah I saw it, but it is definitely just author's opinion. There's no attribution.

Hey I hope that you are right but he absence of activity tells us absolutely nothing. I take more hope from the car wash guy than I do from silence.
 
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CL82 said:
Of course all of those things are exactly what a top flight university would be working on anyway regardless of whether the guiding handing of the B1G was there.
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Most schools are not actively looking to add multiple sports that will cause the university to lose money in it's current state. So you are incorrect.
 
Sportsman5 said:
Most schools are not actively looking to add multiple sports that will cause the university to lose money in it's current state. So you are incorrect.
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Fair point, Sportsman. I'm not exactly sewing B1G patches on my UConn gear quite yet, but it is fair point.
 
hardcorehusky said:
AAU and a partner
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So we need a date. There are no obvious candidates unless the B1G wishes to pay up on an ACC/SEC/B12 buyout. And so, we have to wait until the B12 implodes to free up a Kansas or OU or even the mighty Texas. Don't bother posting about the continuous geography rule for the B1G footprint. If OU or Texas is available, I think they make an exception.
 
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huskymedic said:
Ya'll better fire up LinkedIn!:rolleyes:

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...2-conference-expansion-byu-ucf-usf-cincinnati

>>We checked with LinkedIn to find out where the graduates of each Big 12 school and the most frequently mentioned potential candidates (Boise State, BYU, Cincinnati, Memphis, UConn, UCF, USF) actually live.<<
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I think it's narrow minded to consider Big 12 alumni in every city in Florida in reference to UCF and USF and not take a look at NYC and Boston as it relates to UConn. Someone please yell this at Mr Brown.
 
huskymedic said:
Ya'll better fire up LinkedIn!:rolleyes:

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...2-conference-expansion-byu-ucf-usf-cincinnati

>>We checked with LinkedIn to find out where the graduates of each Big 12 school and the most frequently mentioned potential candidates (Boise State, BYU, Cincinnati, Memphis, UConn, UCF, USF) actually live.<<
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What drives me nuts the most about these types of stories is that people look at Hartford and they go, "Oh well there's barely any B1G/Big 12 alumni there so it would be a mistake to invite UConn."

B1G/Big 12 Alumni travel so ridiculously well and to be right smack within 2 hours and change of NYC and Boston that's absolutely a perfect situation. Anyone remember how many Michigan fans showed up at the Rent two years ago? If you think most of them were flying in from the Mitten you are crazy, they all convoyed up from NYC and down from Boston.

UConn would have no problem packing the Rent every Saturday for football and Gampel on most nights for basketball.
 
How does the author possibly draw this conclusion from the article he wrote?

Lots of factors would go into a Big 12 expansion decision, but this shows more reasons for the conference to look at BYU and UCF/USF/Cincinnati and be wary of UConn and Boise State.
 
I'm with Butch on this one.
So many years hanging here that all signs point to the B1G.
Take emotion out of it and you will see.
I'm guilty of it for checking this place multiple times a day.
UCONN is positioning itself grandly towards meeting B1G metrics.
 
NYUConn said:
What drives me nuts the most about these types of stories is that people look at Hartford and they go, "Oh well there's barely any B1G/Big 12 alumni there so it would be a mistake to invite UConn."

B1G/Big 12 Alumni travel so ridiculously well and to be right smack within 2 hours and change of NYC and Boston that's absolutely a perfect situation. Anyone remember how many Michigan fans showed up at the Rent two years ago? If you think most of them were flying in from the Mitten you are crazy, they all convoyed up from NYC and down from Boston.

UConn would have no problem packing the Rent every Saturday for football and Gampel on most nights for basketball.
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We all remember how WVU fans would pile into the Rent. ISU also brought tons of people when they played here. Texas had a huge showing at Gampel this year as well. But yeah Big12 fans travel so well it doesn't matter much. Obviously Michigan is Big10 but people were losing their minds over them bringing 10-12k fans to the Rent but that's normal for big time football. It just stood out a lot more in a 40k seat stadium vs a 65k seat one.
 
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Exit 4 said:
So we need a date. There are no obvious candidates unless the B1G wishes to pay up on an ACC/SEC/B12 buyout. And so, we have to wait until the B12 implodes to free up a Kansas or OU or even the mighty Texas. Don't bother posting about the continuous geography rule for the B1G footprint. If OU or Texas is available, I think they make an exception.
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SEC has no buyout.

Thinking about what the OP said, UConn has not said a damn word about any conference other than the AAC.

I am going to miss the Hockey East. :(
 
SEC has no buyout, but they have ESPN and the B1G won't want to cross ESPN as long as they are a bidder for B1G rights. Presumably that's why the B1G was vetting Vanderbilt -- not that it was attractive to the B1G, but it was a school the SEC and ESPN wouldn't mind losing. They could move Vanderbilt to the B1G, NC State to the SEC, and the ACC could backfill in a number of ways -- SEC would be more valuable replacing its secondary TN school, a small private school, with its first NC school, a large state school; ACC would be closer to a network, relieved of its four school in NC problem and getting a new market. Vanderbilt would be attracted to B1G academics. B1G would have a partner for UConn. Everybody wins ... maybe.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
Yes, work has to be done; but, publicly politicking for it usually doses not work in college football, especially with the B1G - just ask Missouri, and the corporate world. Remember, while these entities are universities - this is strictly about business and money.

I do a lot of M&A work and while Wall Street may get wind of deals from time to time, companies don't go advertising that a deal is imminent. The only time they go public is if the deal had already been floated and rejected resulting in the bid to go hostile with both sides using to press to sway the target's shareholders, see Anthem and Cigna right now. Deals do not go public in advance because as soon as a deal is known (and sometimes before just based on rumors alone) competitors for both the buyer and seller will smell blood in the water and make runs at their customers and key employees. Happens all of the time.
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Um Aetna and Humana was the worst kept secret in history. Wall Street leaked it weeks before an offer.
 
whaler11 said:
Um Aetna and Humana was the worst kept secret in history. Wall Street leaked it weeks before an offer.
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Likely on purpose as it came out right around the time the rumor popped-up about UHC buying Aetna along with Anthem buying Cigna. Rumors of Humana putting itself up for sale have been around since early 2015. Everyone was just waiting for the green flag to drop - the SCOTUS ruling in ACA subsidies. By leaking this news, Aetna tried to squash the talk of UHC buying them (cost of a combined Aetna/Humana entity and regulatory anti-trust concerns) and showing Cigna that Aetna could outbid them for Humana. Cigna is interested in buying Humana as a strategy to avoid being bought themselves by Anthem. It's all posturing once the first move was made. Sound familiar? See the mad scramble after Maryland and Rutgers bolted to the BIG.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
Likely on purpose as it came out right around the time the rumor popped-up about UHC buying Aetna along with Anthem buying Cigna. Rumors of Humana putting itself up for sale have been around since early 2015. Everyone was just waiting for the green flag to drop - the SCOTUS ruling in ACA subsidies. By leaking this news, Aetna tried to squash the talk of UHC buying them (cost of a combined Aetna/Humana entity and regulatory anti-trust concerns) and showing Cigna that Aetna could outbid them for Humana. Cigna is interested in buying Humana as a strategy to avoid being bought themselves by Anthem. It's all posturing once the first move was made. Sound familiar? See the mad scramble after Maryland and Rutgers bolted to the BIG.
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The initial rumor was an Aetna/Cigna merger - I don't think that was published anywhere. A week later an analyst came out of a meeting with Aetna and said Aetna/Humana.

CIGNA/Anthem news was after and the United letter to Aetna was well after.
 
pj said:
SEC has no buyout, but they have ESPN and the B1G won't want to cross ESPN as long as they are a bidder for B1G rights. Presumably that's why the B1G was vetting Vanderbilt -- not that it was attractive to the B1G, but it was a school the SEC and ESPN wouldn't mind losing. They could move Vanderbilt to the B1G, NC State to the SEC, and the ACC could backfill in a number of ways -- SEC would be more valuable replacing its secondary TN school, a small private school, with its first NC school, a large state school; ACC would be closer to a network, relieved of its four school in NC problem and getting a new market. Vanderbilt would be attracted to B1G academics. B1G would have a partner for UConn. Everybody wins ... maybe.
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Hypothetically, say Missouri bolts the SEC for the BIG and UConn would be their partner. Who would the SEC back fill with or would they just stay at 13 and wait for the ACC or XII to fall apart?
 
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