I love KO, I think we lucky to have him, I was one of the 1st ones calling for him to be our next HC

[joober jones]

Let's look on the bright side. At least our frontcourt doesn't consist of Justin Brown, Mandeldove, Suhr, and Majok.

 

[David 76]

I wasn't speaking to a specific game or saying we don't need rebounds. Just that on 2 rebounds (in that game ) there is something to what he says.
l understand what you are saying.
I'm just saying a blocked shot sent off the court is a cheap rebound. And I think 25 had some piece of the truth.

 

[Gurleyman]

I wasn't speaking to a specific game or saying we don't need rebounds. Just that on 2 rebounds (in that game ) there is something to what he says.
l understand what you are saying.
I'm just saying a blocked shot sent off the court is a cheap rebound. And I think 25 had some piece of the truth.

True - it is a cheap rebound, but there are other ways to get cheap stats. A long rebouind that rolls out to a point guard 25 feet from the basket, who picks it up is still a rebound.. Or two guys on the same team fight for one and lose it out of bounds, then the other team gets a team rebound without even competing for it. With a couple exceptions where judgment is involved (hit/error, assists), stats tend to just be factual. Then you can look at the facts and analyze/interpret them as you wish. You can rank team leaders nationally in rebounds because everyone is using the exact same standards. Over the long haul, adjusting for rebounds off blocked shots doesn't make much difference at all (roughly 6 percent of shots are blocked, and each of those results in only a .13 variance off a regular rebound). But on one particular night, it can.definitely make a box score look worse than it was. Same way getting lots of offensive fouls can make your turnovers look worse on a given night if you get called for 6 or 7.

 

[ctchamps]

I wasn't speaking to a specific game or saying we don't need rebounds. Just that on 2 rebounds (in that game ) there is something to what he says.
l understand what you are saying.
I'm just saying a blocked shot sent off the court is a cheap rebound. And I think 25 had some piece of the truth.

Value may be lost in rebounds but value is gained with intimidation. A block leading to an opposing team rebounding the ball is much better than a player going in unopposed and making a basket or going in unopposed, missing a shot, getting a rebound and making a basket on the second chance. Of course the preference would be to block a shot and get the rebound or not block but get the rebound on a missed shot. But it is third on the list.

The value lost in rebounding statistics is made up with value gained in shooting percentages of opposing teams decreasing. Plus the already mentioned intimidation factor.

 

[ctchamps]

I'm not sure how Willie or anyone else could possibly think differently. I'm pretty certain KO could coach a guy like Kenneth Faried.

Sometimes thinking outside the box produces earth shattering ideas. Willie's postulation isn't one of them imo.

 

[dsturdy5]

I don't know, there was a lot of discussion pre-2002 (Emeka's freshman season) that UConn didn't ever have a dominant defensive presence in the middle. UConn was a "donut" program in the mid 90's (no center). Things change. Given KO's make up, I would assume this discussion will trend in the same direction over time.

 

[cordeodato]

If we are boxing out ax we should isn't it the shooting team that is in a better position to rebound?

 

[Chief00]

Russell blocked shots and rebounded in huge volumes.

 

[hooskies]

it absolutely blows my mind that thoughtless threads such as this continue to be posted.

 

[willie99]

I think it's pretty obvious that a lot of people don't know about our history before 2000, a lot of people don't know we didn't always have size, a lot of people don't know Calhoun's history with rebounding margin going back to his days at Northeastern, and a lot of people don't know about Calhoun's infamous drills pertaining to rebounding

Coach K wins, wins a lot, yet his teams never rebounded like JC's teams do. He does things differently.

I love KO, I think he's a winner, I think we're lucky to have him, but I don't think we're ever going to rebound like we did in the JC era. Time will tell.

"it absolutely blows my mind that thoughtless" responses to threads continue to be posted by people who obviously know a whole lot less about our history, and who have a total lack of comprehension of what was said (or not)

 

[ctchamps]

I think it's pretty obvious that a lot of people don't know about our history before 2000, a lot of people don't know we didn't always have size, a lot of people don't know Calhoun's history with rebounding margin going back to his days at Northeastern, and a lot of people don't know about Calhoun's infamous drills pertaining to rebounding

Coach K wins, wins a lot, yet his teams never rebounded like JC's teams do. He does things differently.

I love KO, I think he's a winner, I think we're lucky to have him, but I don't think we're ever going to rebound like we did in the JC era. Time will tell.

"it absolutely blows my mind that thoughtless" responses to threads continue to be posted by people who obviously know a whole lot less about our history, and who have a total lack of comprehension of what was said (or not)

Going to your OP, I would disagree with the statement you made that KO doesn't emphasize rebounding. It's the primary thing we've been hearing from KO about this team's deficiency and what the coaches would like to see changed.

So the issue is either the coaches lack the ability to teach the players how to properly rebound or the players lack the ability to rebound or a combination of both. The problem with this thread is that the time period is far too short to make this determination. I would say we would need several more years of recruiting and player development to make a statement about KO's ability to develop bigs.

The reason people are pointing out the history of JC's donut teams is to emphasize JC started out at UConn with a similar history KO is having currently. This does't mean KO will have the same trajectory. You may end up being correct that KO will have a different direction than JC, but proclaiming that now is far too premature.

 

[willie99]

^^^^^

I disagree, JC's teams always rebounded well no matter who he had. Even in his early years, even when he was at Northeastern

what I said in my OP is that KO is different, also said I have all the confidence in the world in him

and I concur, time will tell

KO is also still a baby in the coaching profession, so I'm sure his style is a work in progress

PS: I didn't say he doesn't emphasize rebounding, I said "I don't think he emphasizes rebounding the way JC did". In my world, that's a big difference in meaning since I think JC may have been the best rebounding coach in the modern era. Other people however, might not realize this is how I think.

 

[Goat]

NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Player Rebounds Statistics - 2013-14

Statistics: Scoring | Rebounds | Field Goals | Free-Throws | 3-Points | Assists | Steals | Blocks

Season:
2013-14 Regular Season2012-13 Regular Season2011-12 Regular Season2010-11 Regular Season2009-10 Regular Season2008-09 Regular Season2007-08 Regular Season2006-07 Regular Season2005-06 Regular Season2004-05 Regular Season2003-04 Regular Season2002-03 Regular Season2001-02 Regular Season2012-13 Postseason2011-12 Postseason2010-11 Postseason2009-10 Postseason2008-09 Postseason2007-08 Postseason2006-07 Postseason2005-06 Postseason2004-05 Postseason2003-04 Postseason2002-03 Postseason2001-02 Postseason
Rebounds Per Game Leaders - Top 100 Qualified
RKPLAYERTEAMGPMPGOFFORPGDEFDRPGREBRPGRP40
1Roscoe Smith, FUNLV631.0274.57011.79716.220.9
2Julius Randle, FUK729.6375.3557.99213.117.8
3Killian Larson, CGCU730.3365.1547.79012.917.0
4Chad Posthumus, CMORE928.0505.6637.011312.617.9
5Alex Kirk, CUNM635.0254.2477.87212.013.7

 

[James]

you would think rebounding would have costed us a game by now... how could one be so apoplectic about rebounding when it isn't even causing us to struggle? how about our 118th ranked assists per game?

 

[David 76]

My mind is blown.

 

[willie99]

wow, I'm amazed about the conclusions people have reached in this thread

it's as if words have no meaning, they just jump to an "apoplectic" conclusion, one I certainly never stated

my "mind is blown" too

 

[HuskyBballFan]

^^^^^

I disagree, JC's teams always rebounded well no matter who he had. Even in his early years, even when he was at Northeastern

what I said in my OP is that KO is different, also said I have all the confidence in the world in him

and I concur, time will tell

KO is also still a baby in the coaching profession, so I'm sure his style is a work in progress

PS: I didn't say he doesn't emphasize rebounding, I said "I don't think he emphasizes rebounding the way JC did". In my world, that's a big difference in meaning since I think JC may have been the best rebounding coach in the modern era. Other people however, might not realize this is how I think.

Ollie and the players have pretty much said 1,000 times that rebounding is the single biggest emphasis of just about every practice. It's one of the first topics out of Ollie's mouth after every single game. It's almost impossible for Ollie to be emphasizing rebounding any more than he already is.

As I said before you are just overthinking this, it's all about the personnel. We have a point guard playing the 2, a shooting guard playing the 3, a skinny face-up player at the 4, and a bunch of centers who just aren't very good rebounders. Ollie could literally have them do nothing but work on rebounding in practice and we still would struggle in this area.

And talk all you want about Calhoun's Northeastern teams, but we all know exactly what his favorite lineup was: two huge post players who weren't allowed to stray more than 10 feet from the basket and a freakishly long and athletic 6'9'' small forward to boot. It's not hard to see why his teams rebounded and this current group does not.

 

[David 76]

I'm new here. It seems a lot of what goes on is attacking posters. I would like to hear different points of view debated but when people start calling others idiots and the fighting begins. it reminds me too much of reality TV, a soap opera, high school. Haven't we all had thoughts on UCONN's lagging rebounds? Or Boat's or OC's sub-par performance in a particular game.
But it seems if someone expresses something negative on a day a poster is positive (or vice-versa) people are all over some people.

 

[UCONNfan1]

I'm new here. It seems a lot of what goes on is attacking posters. I would like to hear different points of view debated but when people start calling others idiots and the fighting begins. it reminds me too much of reality TV, a soap opera, high school. Haven't we all had thoughts on UCONN's lagging rebounds? Or Boat's or OC's sub-par performance in a particular game.
But it seems if someone expresses something negative on a day a poster is positive (or vice-versa) people are all over some people.

I actually agree, but it's something that happens on every message board and has happened on ours since I can remember. The problem comes when one poster says something, and the next poster disagrees using probably stronger than needed language "that's ridiculous/crazy/insane", or language like that. Then poster A starts defending himself and it escalates from there.

I'm sure it would be a lot different if everyone were in person, but it's the internet and somewhat anonymous, and some are more bold, others more rude, and the end result is insulting each other.

 

[willie99]

but, I'm becoming concerned that we may never be a good (never mind great) rebounding team again.

I know he always talks about it, but we just don't rebound like JC teams used to do. I don't care who we had or how big we were, we always rebounded well. We were almost always national leaders in rebounding margin. Those days may be gone.

I know Kevin will have his own style, and I appreciate what he accomplished last year, how the kids respond to him and how the team is winning games. He's doing a great job and he's going to do things differently, I know. I'm as big a supporter of his as I've ever been.

I just don't think he emphasizes rebounding the way JC did, and that looks like it will be OK.

I had to reread my OP

I don't even think the post is negative

 

[David 76]

I had to reread my OP

I don't even think the post is negative

That post isn't. I wasn't pointing at anyone. I would like discussions not fights. I think it is doable. After all, we're all fans of the classiest men's basketball coach in the nation

 

[60'sfan]

That post isn't. I wasn't pointing at anyone. I would like discussions not fights. I think it is doable. After all, we're all fans of the classiest men's basketball coach in the nation

I agree, the original post was not negative although it was a little critical. Most of the fighting was over the issue of when is a rebound a rebound.

 

[willie99]

That post isn't. I wasn't pointing at anyone. I would like discussions not fights. I think it is doable. After all, we're all fans of the classiest men's basketball coach in the nation

I'm sorry, I have no problem with anything you posted and I wasn't really addressing what you said

just one of them there misunderstandings you tend to find on the WWW

 

[Husky25]

I agree, the original post was not negative although it was a little critical. Most of the fighting was over the issue of when is a rebound a rebound.

The fight wasn't when a rebound is a rebound. The definition is pretty straight forward. I think parts are invalid, but it is still straight forward. However, I really don't want to open up that can of worms again.