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Drummond's shooting form looks world's better than it did during his freshman year here. He has the clean release from above the shoulders, instead of the hideous, push shot from the chest that he displayed this year. I'm sure it will take him a while to develop a decent touch, but this is a devent place to start.
 

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If those shots are falling with defenders around him, he's going to make a Ton of money in the NBA. You're right, the form on his jumper looks much better, wish it changed before he left college.
 
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He looks really, really impressive in that video. Granted, that's a situation where Andre is going to thrive: showing off his physical gifts without a full 5 on 5 game. He absolutely has the ability to be a top player in the league and seems to have been working hard since the end of the season.

There are rumors that Charlotte wants to trade the #2 pick for James Harden. I would be ecstatic if that trade occurred and OKC then drafted Drummond.
 

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Yep, remarkably better. Makes you wonder about the coaching he got at UConn. I mean, if he can shoot with the ball that high, why in the world was he doing that shot put crap? He still may not be able to shoot free throws very well, but he does look worlds better.
 

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You bring up a Great point on UConns staff. Is there time to retool or reconstruct poor form on a jumper (during) a college season? If there is, why didn't UConn coaches accomplish it? I'm guessing the time issue was a constraint. Now it's Andre's Full time job. With the right point guard and Veterans around him, he will be an AllStar one day.
 

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It's not like they could have made him worse. ;)

I thought that the sort of shot-putting it up was a coaching adjustment to help him to get the ball up softly. I don't think he was doing it at the beginning of the year. Oh well, nice to see he can show progress. Now, maybe he can do something about that lame sort of hook shot.
 

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It's not like they could have made him worse. ;)

I thought that the sort of shot-putting it up was a coaching adjustment to help him to get the ball up softly. I don't think he was doing it at the beginning of the year. Oh well, nice to see he can show progress. Now, maybe he can do something about that lame sort of hook shot.

Actually, it was among the the first things I noticed in the highlight videos from HS.
 
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Yeah, I'm not buying the "we can't mess with his form in the middle of the year" line of reasoning in regards to Drummond. This wasn't a case of Drummond simply hitting a low percentage of his shots, he was absolutely abysmal. Literally some of the worst touch/form on his shots that I've seen from a grown man on the basketball court. He didn't need a tweak, he needed a makeover.

Think of Drummond last year as a racecar in the Indy 500. It was like he was playing with a loose wheel. UConn chose to have him finish the year on three wheels instead of opting for the pit stop. I think that was a mistake.
 
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Shot looks better, he still posts up like my son (want to yell at him too! lol) weakly that is, and it's relly good to see how hard he worked once he left to get ready for the NBA.....:rolleyes:
 
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Yeah, I'm not buying the "we can't mess with his form in the middle of the year" line of reasoning in regards to Drummond. This wasn't a case of Drummond simply hitting a low percentage of his shots, he was absolutely abysmal. Literally some of the worst touch/form on his shots that I've seen from a grown man on the basketball court. He didn't need a tweak, he needed a makeover.

Think of Drummond last year as a racecar in the Indy 500. It was like he was playing with a loose wheel. UConn chose to have him finish the year on three wheels instead of opting for the pit stop. I think that was a mistake.

So you're not buying that it was the right move? Or are you not buying that the coaches thought that way?
 
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There are rumors that Charlotte wants to trade the #2 pick for James Harden. I would be ecstatic if that trade occurred and OKC then drafted Drummond.

If that were to happen, then the NBA should just disband the Charlotte franchise.
 
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So you're not buying that it was the right move? Or are you not buying that the coaches thought that way?

I don't think it was the right decision to have him keep shooting from his chest all year.
 
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If that were to happen, then the NBA should just disband the Charlotte franchise.

Huh? That would actually be a great move for Charlotte. Harden's only 22 and he's already one of the best 25-30 players in the world. He has more value than anybody in this draft other than Davis.
 
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Huh? That would actually be a great move for Charlotte. Harden's only 22 and he's already one of the best 25-30 players in the world. He has more value than anybody in this draft other than Davis.

it be a great move for charlotte but stupid on okc part. your going to give up a young proven nba all star caliber player to take a chance on the number two pick?
 
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If that were to happen, then the NBA should just disband the Charlotte franchise.

Seriously? You know how happy the Bobcats would be if whoever they pick at #2 turns into as good a player as James Harden?
 
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So basically you guys are saying that Harden is a franchise player, a guy to build a franchise around. That if you take Durant and Westbrook away from him, he will be able to carry a team. If he is that good, why would they ever consider getting rid of him?
 
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So basically you guys are saying that Harden is a franchise player, a guy to build a franchise around. That if you take Durant and Westbrook away from him, he will be able to carry a team. If he is that good, why would they ever consider getting rid of him?

First off, the only reason OKC would consider getting rid of him is because of the salary cap. They're going to be paying Durant and Westbrook a ton of money and Harden is going to demand a huge contract as well.

Is he a franchise player? I'd say he's a notch below. But what do you think the chances are of Thomas Robinson, Bradley Beal, MKG, or whoever else they would take at #2 becoming a franchise player? I'd say they aren't very good. You're rolling the dice with anybody in this draft not named Anthony Davis.
 

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it be a great move for charlotte but stupid on okc part. your going to give up a young proven nba all star caliber player to take a chance on the number two pick?

OKC is in a bit of a situation financially.

Now how much will Ibaka get in free agency? I would look at how much DeAndre Jordan got, about 10 million for the first year, minimum. I would actually prefer Ibaka. So add 10-12 million to 2014 and 2015.

Maynor they may drop.

Now Harden. If you have Durant, Westbrook and Ibaka for 43 million, can you even afford Harden? He must be worth at least what Manu Ginobili makes (not to mention how young he is) so about 12-14 a year. That would put the team at 57 million on those 4 players plus 15 million on guys already signed. I guess it's doable, but it would be expensive. That is also assuming Harden and Ibaka sign for that little. I can see both being offered more (esp. Harden).
Let's say they do trade for the #2 pick and pick up Beal. They now have Beal for 2-4 years (two team options). They get him at about 3.8, 4.6, 5.5 and 6.9. That is a savings of 2 million the first year and probably close to 7 million the next three years. This makes signing Ibaka relatively easy, and gives room for a more veteran presence. It's a shame, but it's not a bad move if they go after Beal.

I don't think Drummond makes sense, with them likely keeping Ibaka and Perkins there for a few years. They will have way too much invested in those two guys it have Drummond on the team. If Perkins were only there for 3-4 million or 1 year, Drummond would make sense.
In fact, Beal is really the only player that makes sense, unless you believe in the Lilliard hype (and even then #2 is a huge stretch).

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From the Charlotte side of things, this doesn't make much sense. You likely have Kemba at PG and Henderson at SG. They need players at the 3 and 4 position more than the 2 and there are good candidates in the draft. However, if they were to make separate trades then this might make sense. I could see Henderson being worth a mid-first.
 
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I'm not sure I'd pull the string on that trade if I were the Thunder. I love Harden but I'd want more than Drummond. How about the #2 + Kemba? As for messing with his shot during the season, I think that would have messed with his head too much. He had a system to learn and there's not a whole lot of time to start changing things. He should have had a shooting coach earlier in his career, but most of his coaches were too enamored with his size. He's had a few months with a shot coach and that has helped. I hope he succeeds to the highest level as well as lamb.
 
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OKC is in a bit of a situation financially.

Now how much will Ibaka get in free agency? I would look at how much DeAndre Jordan got, about 10 million for the first year, minimum. I would actually prefer Ibaka. So add 10-12 million to 2014 and 2015.

Maynor they may drop.

Now Harden. If you have Durant, Westbrook and Ibaka for 43 million, can you even afford Harden? He must be worth at least what Manu Ginobili makes (not to mention how young he is) so about 12-14 a year. That would put the team at 57 million on those 4 players plus 15 million on guys already signed. I guess it's doable, but it would be expensive. That is also assuming Harden and Ibaka sign for that little. I can see both being offered more (esp. Harden).
Let's say they do trade for the #2 pick and pick up Beal. They now have Beal for 2-4 years (two team options). They get him at about 3.8, 4.6, 5.5 and 6.9. That is a savings of 2 million the first year and probably close to 7 million the next three years. This makes signing Ibaka relatively easy, and gives room for a more veteran presence. It's a shame, but it's not a bad move if they go after Beal.

I don't think Drummond makes sense, with them likely keeping Ibaka and Perkins there for a few years. They will have way too much invested in those two guys it have Drummond on the team. If Perkins were only there for 3-4 million or 1 year, Drummond would make sense.
In fact, Beal is really the only player that makes sense, unless you believe in the Lilliard hype (and even then #2 is a huge stretch).

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From the Charlotte side of things, this doesn't make much sense. You likely have Kemba at PG and Henderson at SG. They need players at the 3 and 4 position more than the 2 and there are good candidates in the draft. However, if they were to make separate trades then this might make sense. I could see Henderson being worth a mid-first.

I'm no expert on the salary cap, but I think it would be a shame if OKC was forced to break up the Durant, Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka core. At some point, you have to reward a small market team for playing their cards perfectly in the draft, staying patient with their youung players, and not making any desperation free agent signings that would render them unable to hang onto these young pieces. I read that there may be a rule in place that allows teams to exceed the salary cap to re-sign players that they drafted, but I'm not positive.

Either way, if OKC is indeed forced to part way with one of their core four, wouldn't you try to trade Ibaka to a team in the top ten and then try to draft an Andre Drummond type player with that pick? You'd think at age 22, Ibaka, who averaged 12 points, 10 boards, and five blocks in just his third year in the league, would be worth more to a team trying to rebuild than would a guy like Perry Jones, but I'm not sure. Say you trade Ibaka to a team like Portland or Detroit, grab a pick in the top ten, and select Perry Jones or Andre Drummond to pair with Perkins on the frontline. Doesn't that make more sense than shipping away James Harden, one of the best 15 offensive players in the league?

I don't necessarily agree with your take on Charlotte. If I'm the Bobcats, everybody on the team is expendable if it means you can bring in some real all-star talent, somebody who might generate some buzz around town. Gerald Henderson is a role player at best, IMO, somebody who doesn't defend, doesn't pass, can't rebound, and could barely crack the 16 PPG mark on one of the worst teams in offensive memory. I don't know how much you trust PER, but Henderson was a 14.0 last year while Harden was a 21.1. If you really want to keep Henderson, just move him to small forward or play a three guard lineup. This is a desperate franchise, and if you can bring in a 23 year old, all-star type player, you'd be foolish not to do it because of Gerald Henderson IMO. As many scouts and GM's would tell you, when you're as bad as the Bobcats (and God, they're bad) you don't make moves based on need. Even if you have to move Kemba to get some proven talent in there, you do it.
 
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Where the he** was this in college?!!!

It was there, but Calhoun for some reason doesn't release private practice workout videos.

On every level, you see stars in the layup drills before games and then when the horn sounds they revert to
what Mike Tyson said "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face".
 

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Huh? That would actually be a great move for Charlotte. Harden's only 22 and he's already one of the best 25-30 players in the world. He has more value than anybody in this draft other than Davis.

Exactly. You HOPE for a top-5 pick to turn out as well as Harden has.
 
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