I don't think the 4 team playoff will last long..

[Jimmy Serrano]

If it's really about identifying the 4 best teams you'd have an all SEC playoff. Because they will pick each other off that won't happen.

What happens if Miss St and Ole Miss meet in the Egg Bowl unbeaten? You're gonna keep the loser of that game out?

 

[whaler11]

If it's really about identifying the 4 best teams you'd have an all SEC playoff. Because they will pick each other off that won't happen.

What happens if Miss St and Ole Miss meet in the Egg Bowl unbeaten? You're gonna keep the loser of that game out?

Yes, the loser of that game will be left out and the winner would be too if they lose to Georgia. Which is my point - 4 teams isn't going to last long because Florida State and whoever wins the Big 10 will go to the playoffs with lesser resumes because their schedules are easier.

 

[ibleedhuskyblue]

Well you asked my opinion. It's fairly simple - the more you expand playoffs the less likely you are to indentify the best team through them.

ok

 

[ibleedhuskyblue]

Yes, the loser of that game will be left out and the winner would be too if they lose to Georgia. Which is my point - 4 teams isn't going to last long because Florida State and whoever wins the Big 10 will go to the playoffs with lesser resumes because their schedules are easier.

The above scenario would have happened with the old system, and likely will with the next one.

There are 120+ teams, and a twelve game schedule...it's not possible to get that totally correct. There is no answer that will get the best teams (and only the best teams) into the playoff.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Yes, the loser of that game will be left out and the winner would be too if they lose to Georgia. Which is my point - 4 teams isn't going to last long because Florida State and whoever wins the Big 10 will go to the playoffs with lesser resumes because their schedules are easier.

If an unbeaten Ole Miss loses to a 1 loss GA team both will be in the playoff.

 

[whaler11]

The above scenario would have happened with the old system, and likely will with the next one.

There are 120+ teams, and a twelve game schedule...it's not possible to get that totally correct. There is no answer that will get the best teams (and only the best teams) into the playoff.

No it isn't. But there is still an opportunity to improve your chances by putting together the best selection process you can. Instead we get a broken process combined with biased selectors.

 

[ibleedhuskyblue]

No it isn't. But there is still an opportunity to improve your chances by putting together the best selection process you can. Instead we get a broken process combined with biased selectors.

Again...as long as there are too many teams and not enough games....along with human beings, there will be unbalance, and bias. No way to correct it.

Btw...this post:
"Well you asked my opinion. It's fairly simple - the more you expand playoffs the less likely you are to indentify the best team through them."
is way off in my humble opinion. More games gives you more opportunity to play teams you have otherwise not played, alleviating some of the issue we have been talking about. How could this possibly be a bad thing ?

 

[noeynox]

No it isn't. But there is still an opportunity to improve your chances by putting together the best selection process you can. Instead we get a broken process combined with biased selectors.

Sounds like you were a big fan of the BCS. Only problem with that, teams #3, and 4, sometimes had a legit gripe they were better than team #2.

SEC should secede by itself and crown its conference champion the national champ. Then and only then will some people feel it is a totally fair and unbiased process.

 

[whaler11]

If an unbeaten Ole Miss loses to a 1 loss GA team both will be in the playoff.

Possibly. I don't see them taking a team that doesn't win their conference unless it's 2 loss teams winning the Pac 12 or Big 10.

The Big 12 is probably the second best conference and may end up locked out.

 

[CTMike]

Well you asked my opinion. It's fairly simple - the more you expand playoffs the less likely you are to indentify the best team through them.

I disagree... I think that if we were to have 8 teams, the winner would have had to beat 3 of the 8 best at the end of the season to be declared a winner. Pretty good, if you ask me.

 

[whaler11]

Again...as long as there are too many teams and not enough games....along with human beings, there will be unbalance, and bias. No way to correct it.

Btw...this post:
"Well you asked my opinion. It's fairly simple - the more you expand playoffs the less likely you are to indentify the best team through them."
is way off in my humble opinion. More games gives you more opportunity to play teams you have otherwise not played, alleviating some of the issue we have been talking about. How could this possibly be a bad thing ?

Because in a single elimination format there is a lot of variance.

Do you think a 128 team NCAA tourney would increase the chance of finding the best college basketball team?

Do you think MLB increases their chances of identifying the best team by having one game playoffs after 162 games?

You can't eliminate bias but you can certainly try to minimize it. And you can certainly find people more qualified to make reasonable decisions then they have.

Pat Haden spends 80 hours a week worrying about USC. Bill Connelly spends 80 hours a week breaking down games from all over the country. Who is more qualified to pick the 4 best teams?

 

[whaler11]

I disagree... I think that if we were to have 8 teams, the winner would have had to beat 3 of the 8 best at the end of the season to be declared a winner. Pretty good, if you ask me.

You have more faith in single elimination formats than I do.

The more teams in a single elimination tournament... to me it's a mathmatical certainty the less likely you are to identify the best team.

 

[Srqhusky]

Florida State will probably run the table and therefore end up in the playoff.

You could make a pretty solid argument they would be the 6th best team in the SEC.

So thought auburn last year. Not sure where the lack of respect for fsu comes from but they are legit

 

[whaler11]

So thought auburn last year. Not sure where the lack of respect for fsu comes from but they are legit

Again with last year. If I pointed out that Florida sucks this year would you bring up Tim Tebow?

Florida State was a huge favorite against Auburn last year so you've invented the lack of respect for FSU last year anyway.

 

[Srqhusky]

Well what do u base your decision that they would be the sixth best team in the sec. Do u realize the recruiting classes this team has had?? thjs team really unloads in the second half. Too much depth for anyone In the country.

The true crime in the college playoff is the big twelve not having a conference championship game. They should not even be allowed to be in the championship

 

[whaler11]

Well what do u base your decision that they would be the sixth best team in the sec. Do u realize the recruiting classes this team has had?? thjs team really unloads in the second half. Too much depth for anyone In the country.

The true crime in the college playoff is the big twelve not having a conference championship game. They should not even be allowed to be in the championship

First of all I said there is an argument they would be the 6th best team in the SEC. I didn't say I'd agree with it. I'd probably put them 4th.

Unloads in the second half? They were outscored by Oklahoma State and the Citadel in the second half while playing Syracuse to a draw.

They needed overtime to beat a pedestrian Clemson team. Needed a pass interference call to hang on against Notre Dame.

If the definition of unloading is blowing out Wake Forest and NC State - then sure they unload. Hardly anyone beats up on those teams. Their head coaches are a combined 0-15 in the ACC since they were hired....

 

[whaler11]

The composite computer rankings have it:

Mississippi
Mississippi State
Auburn
Alabama
Florida State
Georgia

So maybe the argument has some
validity?

 

[Srqhusky]

First of all I said there is an argument they would be the 6th best team in the SEC. I didn't say I'd agree with it. I'd probably put them 4th.

Unloads in the second half? They were outscored by Oklahoma State and the Citadel in the second half while playing Syracuse to a draw.

They needed overtime to beat a pedestrian Clemson team. Needed a pass interference call to hang on against Notre Dame.

If the definition of unloading is blowing out Wake Forest and NC State - then sure they unload. Hardly anyone beats up on those teams. Their head coaches are a combined 0-15 in the ACC since they were hired....

Well we will have to wait until Florida comes to town to see what they can do vs the sec. Until then ...they beat the sec champ and I don't see a talent deficit vs the sec.
They are undefeated none the less. Notre dame and Clemson pulled out all the stops to come away short handed. We will see what happens when the playoffs start Not their fault what their conference schedule is

 

[whaler11]

Well we will have to wait until Florida comes to town to see what they can do vs the sec. Until then ...they beat the sec champ and I don't see a talent deficit vs the sec.
They are undefeated none the less. Notre dame and Clemson pulled out all the stops to come away short handed. We will see what happens when the playoffs start Not their fault what their conference schedule is

LOL. Yeah you can judge Florida State against the the best of the SEC by them playing Florida. Temple beat Vanderbilt - that would go a long way if they played Georgia I bet.

Obviously this is pointless because you keep talking about last year. Do you really not get that last year doesn't matter when you are determining who is better today?

 

[traitor71]

There won't be a national outcry. Who said that?

But teams better than FSU will be left out because of the huge gap in conference schedules - and that will drive change.

Teams that you say are better. I don't think that Alabama is and I would favor FSU over the Miss. teams. See how easy this is? The simple fact is that it's all talk until we can see these teams play one another. And I guess I am old fashioned, but when you're the reigning champion and you have yet to lose a game, I feel like that counts for something. As for the four team playoff? I say add more teams, bump it to eight and make it work for everyone to have a chance.

 

[Vowelguy]

So thought auburn last year. Not sure where the lack of respect for fsu comes from but they are legit

Based on what?
They've beaten one top 20 team. At home. On a questionable call.

 

[whaler11]

Teams that you say are better. I don't think that Alabama is and I would favor FSU over the Miss. teams. See how easy this is? The simple fact is that it's all talk until we can see these teams play one another. And I guess I am old fashioned, but when you're the reigning champion and you have yet to lose a game, I feel like that counts for something. As for the four team playoff? I say add more teams, bump it to eight and make it work for everyone to have a chance.

I clearly disagree with people that last year matters. The rosters churn 25% plus every year. Do you favor UCF over Baylor these days?

The objective evidence and the markets would disagree with you on who would be favored, but you are entitled to whatever opinion you like.

 

[traitor71]

I clearly disagree with people that last year matters. The rosters churn 25% plus every year. Do you favor UCF over Baylor these days?

The objective evidence and the markets would disagree with you on who would be favored, but you are entitled to whatever opinion you like.

I don't think you understand my point about "last year". This isn't Baylor, UCF, etc...it's a championship team, with a championship quarterback. That makes a difference in my opinion. Does it make them invincible? Of course not, far from it. But if in one game, you didn't favor Winston over the other quarterbacks, then I'm not sure what to think. I don't like him, I don't like them, but I have to give it to them right now. Now if you asked me who I would hope to see win, it would be Miss. State, but I would just have trouble putting it down on them.

But again, they will play, and we will see how it goes.

 

[whaler11]

I don't think you understand my point about "last year". This isn't Baylor, UCF, etc...it's a championship team, with a championship quarterback. That makes a difference in my opinion. Does it make them invincible? Of course not, far from it. But if in one game, you didn't favor Winston over the other quarterbacks, then I'm not sure what to think. I don't like him, I don't like them, but I have to give it to them right now. Now if you asked me who I would hope to see win, it would be Miss. State, but I would just have trouble putting it down on them.

But again, they will play, and we will see how it goes.

I get your point about last year. Just don't think it matters. If I'm trying to determine who deserves to go
to a 2014 playoff I don't take 2013 into account.

Would your opinion of FSU be any different if they hadn't called offensive pass interference last night? If they don't make that call does that mean Golson is better than Winston?

It doesn't much matter if I'd favor FSU over Mississippi or Alabama or Mississippi State. It's pretty clear that the markets where favorites are determined by tens of millions of dollars would favor all three of those teams over FSU.

 

[champs99and04]

Georgia 45, Clemson 21

Ole Miss 35, Boise State 13

Alabama 33, West Virginia 23

Auburn 20, Kansas State 14

LSU 28, Wisconsin 24

The SEC - particularly the SEC West - has earned two, maybe even three bids by tearing up the rest of college football. The Big Ten, by comparison, pi**ed down their leg in non-conference play - if a one loss MSU or OSU team gets in over a one loss SEC West team, it will be a crime.

 

[whaler11]

I doubt there is a road schedule in college football history harder than Auburn's.

Their 5 road games are Georgia, Miss, Miss St, Alabama and for fun OOC Kansas State.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Georgia 45, Clemson 21

Ole Miss 35, Boise State 13

Alabama 33, West Virginia 23

Auburn 20, Kansas State 14

LSU 28, Wisconsin 24

The SEC - particularly the SEC West - has earned two, maybe even three bids by tearing up the rest of college football. The Big Ten, by comparison, pi**ed down their leg in non-conference play - if a one loss MSU or OSU team gets in over a one loss SEC West team, it will be a crime.

I would argue that USCe's win over ECU is more impressive than Ole Miss' win over Boise. All in, the SEC has 4 close wins over quality competition, and also has a loss by the possible Eastern Division champion to Indiana. What happens when the SEC goes 1-3 in the late season ACC/SEC games, which I think is the likely outcome.

When you don't have more games connecting the conferences, it is difficult to compare teams from different conferences.

 

[champs99and04]

I would argue that USCe's win over ECU is more impressive than Ole Miss' win over Boise. All in, the SEC has 4 close wins over quality competition, and also has a loss by the possible Eastern Division champion to Indiana. What happens when the SEC goes 1-3 in the late season ACC/SEC games, which I think is the likely outcome.

When you don't have more games connecting the conferences, it is difficult to compare teams from different conferences.

Yes, I forgot to mention USC's win over ECU, though I was really just referencing the contenders in the conference. Admittedly, the Boise State win probably doesn't belong on the list with the others, but I'm not sure where you are drawing the "4 close wins over quality competition" figure from. Clemson, Wisconsin, East Carolina, West Virginia, and Kansas State all count as quality wins by my book.

Missouri going down to Indiana is really the conferences only blemish. Florida State beating Florida and Louisville beating Kentucky would be about as impactful to me as Alabama beating N.C. State.

 

[Srqhusky]

Based on what?
They've beaten one top 20 team. At home. On a questionable call.

Is their schedule that is made four years in advance their fault. A win is a win especially to a top five team

 

[Jerry1714]

Which 5 teams in the SEC are better than FSU? FSU beat an undefeated Auburn team in the title game last year. Ole Miss and Miss State are great stories and have really good teams, I don't think I'd pick either on a neutral field against FSU if Winston is playing. I say this knowing FSU is slightly not as good as they were last year.

Last years FSU is a lot better then this years. A lot.

Ole Miss, Miss St, Bama, and Auburn I would take on a neutral field over FSU.

What I take out of this thread is a lot of people have not watched FSU this year or last years NFL draft.