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Message: [QUOTE="boog204, post: 2543156, member: 880"] I obviously think we are better than 16-17 w/ Gilbert and Larrier. But we suffered two of our most embarrassing losses of all-time while the team was intact and struggled to beat a .500 Loyola Marymount team for our first win. While it does take time for the parts to come together, that team got thoroughly outplayed by a 16-14 Wagner team and was putrid against a 15-16 Northeastern team. If those were legit mid-majors, I could give some leeway with it being a new team, etc. Similar to how we've lost to Ohio or St Bon in the past when our team was coming together. More than anything though, it's the way that we play. It's bad basketball. Even if you do not have the talent, you can still execute an offense, come out with effort, and not make the same mistakes over and over (player and coach). It's not that we do not have guys to hit shots (a talent issue), it's that we are not even able to get guys in position to take shots (a coaching issue.) I'm fine (well not really) if AA misses a good look from 3. But we rarely get a good look. Every shot is contested, every shot is rushedThat's the overriding issue that we ignore far too often. When you watch us run a "set" and the players are running to their spots at 70% and guys are olaying their screens, and getting beat up and down the court. That's as much on the coach as it is the players. When timeouts are continually not taken, rotations are maddeningly perplexing, we have players explaining that they were not ready to play every game, and the coach compares the program to a sinking ship with rats aboard... I mean my god what the hell happened. I think back to JCs first year (obviously KO does not equal JC). We were 9-19 playing a soccer player Greg Economou at the 2G. There was a dearth of talent on that team. But they played freaking hard. We've looked two steps slow for four years. And that's not just because of S&C issues. [/QUOTE]

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