Huskies top Dukies in ed. shocker!

[huskyd]

In her recent looney tunes criticism of Geno and UConn, JP McCallie included a comment to the effect that recruits could go to Storrs for a trophy or to Duke for an education. The allegedly superior Blue Devil diploma is a major recruiting tool for certain schools including Duke. However, in this month's MONEY magazine, to the surprise of some, UConn was more highly ranked among the 50 Best Colleges in the US than its Durham competitor. A shocker (to JP anyway). But, in fairness, it costs more than twice as much in tuition/year at Duke than at UConn. I speak ironically.

The disparity, unlike the cost, wasn't great: UConn sat at 38 with the Dukies at 39. Not surprisingly, Stanford was 10th, Maryland, 19th, and ND checked in at 31st. The Irish also recruit emphasizing the value of its diploma, but the difference between Our Mama and UConn was slight. UNC was 45th, and UTex was 50th. So much for the education card.

Many would argue that you can get a good education at most accredited college and universities if you apply yourself to your studies. Probably true, but why spend the money (Stanford $65300.; ND $65000.; Duke $66600.)? At UConn the yearly tuition cost is $29400. Good deal. (Obviously student athletes have full rides, but the value of a diploma is associated with its tuition costs. Duke and Stanford can brag of better Early Career Earnings, but, again, the numbers are fairly close. Also, because of the up-front costs, it will take longer to recoup the out of pocket for Irish and Blue Devil grads.)

Yet another of the many good reasons for all great athletes to head to Storrs.

 

[01Neaggrad02]

Of course you pointed it out... These recruits do not dish out the money for the program. I cannot believe how expensive UCONN is now

 

[BigBird]

Excellent post, HuskyD! When I hear sports broadcasters yapping about academic matters, I start yelling at my TV. They typically have very little data, and just repeat whatever mantra is convenient. ESPN's Mike Greenburg, for example, is my favorite sports discussant on TV/radio. But, when he starts in about his Northwestern degree, there is a faint odor of bovine droppings. I just chalk it up to alumnus loyalty, and let it go. Mike Golic and his ND cheerleading is somewhat the same thing. But, for me, they are both still worth listening to.

I may have degrees (three of them) from a "cheap" school, but at least I know the grammatical rules for the correct use of relflexive pronouns (myself, himself, herself, etc.), and that's more than I can say for Greenie. Yes, The Medill School is excellent. So are a lot of other places.

Purely opinion on my part (as if the preceding isn't), but college and university rankings are often skewed by a number of factors. The size of the library collection sometimes gets heavy weighting. But if the graduates don't USE that library, then should we lower that ranking?

Where you study may be important, but who you study with matters more.

Fire away, my friends.

 

[DaddyChoc]

wasnt TAMU high on the list?


btw I love my subscription to Money... and Kiplinger

 

[Kibitzer]

In her recent looney tunes criticism of Geno and UConn, JP McCallie included a comment to the effect that recruits could go to Storrs for a trophy or to Duke for an education.

It's about time for someone high in the Duke hierarchy to turn off her music: "That's all, folks!"

 

[LouS]

In her recent looney tunes criticism of Geno and UConn, JP McCallie included a comment to the effect that recruits could go to Storrs for a trophy or to Duke for an education. The allegedly superior Blue Devil diploma is a major recruiting tool for certain schools including Duke. However, in this month's MONEY magazine, to the surprise of some, UConn was more highly ranked among the 50 Best Colleges in the US than its Durham competitor. A shocker (to JP anyway). But, in fairness, it costs more than twice as much in tuition/year at Duke than at UConn. I speak ironically.

The disparity, unlike the cost, wasn't great: UConn sat at 38 with the Dukies at 39. Not surprisingly, Stanford was 10th, Maryland, 19th, and ND checked in at 31st. The Irish also recruit emphasizing the value of its diploma, but the difference between Our Mama and UConn was slight. UNC was 45th, and UTex was 50th. So much for the education card.

Many would argue that you can get a good education at most accredited college and universities if you apply yourself to your studies. Probably true, but why spend the money (Stanford $65300.; ND $65000.; Duke $66600.)? At UConn the yearly tuition cost is $29400. Good deal. (Obviously student athletes have full rides, but the value of a diploma is associated with its tuition costs. Duke and Stanford can brag of better Early Career Earnings, but, again, the numbers are fairly close. Also, because of the up-front costs, it will take longer to recoup the out of pocket for Irish and Blue Devil grads.)

Yet another of the many good reasons for all great athletes to head to Storrs.

WELL!!! I guess our women who waitress after graduation will now be able to work a more upscale restaurants than Dukies, JUST SAY'N

 

[HuskyNan]

Just to be clear, for folks that haven't seen the article - Money magazine didn't say UConn offers better academics than Duke, it said that UConn is a better value for the money. The quality of the education had the same weight as Affordability and Outcomes, or only 1/3 of the ranking.

Methodology

 

[Icebear]

I was waiting for someone to point that out, Nan.

 

[vtcwbuff]

National University Rankings - US News and World Report

#8 Duke
#18 ND
#57 UConn
#103 UTenn

 

[huskyd]

Just to be clear, for folks that haven't seen the article - Money magazine didn't say UConn offers better academics than Duke, it said that UConn is a better value for the money. The quality of the education had the same weight as Affordability and Outcomes, or only 1/3 of the ranking.

Methodology

That's all true. But the salient point is that, taking everything into account (cost not the least), UConn is a BETTER DEAL than Duke. Applied just to athletics and just to WCBB, I'd say Storrs was a much more attractive destination than Durham.

 

[HuskyNan]

That's all true. But the salient point is that, taking everything into account (cost not the least), UConn is a BETTER DEAL than Duke. Applied just to athletics and just to WCBB, I'd say Storrs was a much more attractive destination than Durham.

You obviously haven't seen the Duke campus. And it isn't 10 degrees for a week at a time in Durham.

 

[NVUConnFan]

Just to be clear, for folks that haven't seen the article - Money magazine didn't say UConn offers better academics than Duke, it said that UConn is a better value for the money. The quality of the education had the same weight as Affordability and Outcomes, or only 1/3 of the ranking.

Great point Nan. Under this criteria, the US Service Academies would have infinite value because the tuition is Zero. Normally, in such analysis, infinite results are considered "nonsensical".

Congratulations to UConn anyway!

 

[mhshuskies]

But this is a board about basketball and ANY top player who had aspirations to seriously improve her game and play professionally would be crazy to go to Duke with the current situation.

 

[BroadwayVa]

In her recent looney tunes criticism of Geno and UConn, JP McCallie included a comment to the effect that recruits could go to Storrs for a trophy or to Duke for an education. The allegedly superior Blue Devil diploma is a major recruiting tool for certain schools including Duke. However, in this month's MONEY magazine, to the surprise of some, UConn was more highly ranked among the 50 Best Colleges in the US than its Durham competitor. A shocker (to JP anyway). But, in fairness, it costs more than twice as much in tuition/year at Duke than at UConn. I speak ironically.

The disparity, unlike the cost, wasn't great: UConn sat at 38 with the Dukies at 39. Not surprisingly, Stanford was 10th, Maryland, 19th, and ND checked in at 31st. The Irish also recruit emphasizing the value of its diploma, but the difference between Our Mama and UConn was slight. UNC was 45th, and UTex was 50th. So much for the education card.

Many would argue that you can get a good education at most accredited college and universities if you apply yourself to your studies. Probably true, but why spend the money (Stanford $65300.; ND $65000.; Duke $66600.)? At UConn the yearly tuition cost is $29400. Good deal. (Obviously student athletes have full rides, but the value of a diploma is associated with its tuition costs. Duke and Stanford can brag of better Early Career Earnings, but, again, the numbers are fairly close. Also, because of the up-front costs, it will take longer to recoup the out of pocket for Irish and Blue Devil grads.)

Yet another of the many good reasons for all great athletes to head to Storrs.

I was a Research Assistant at Uconn and had many young Student Labor working for me. I saw the quality of those students.
Then I taught in College Park and UALR. They were very good, after my East Coast bias was gone I could admit the UALR students were pretty good too. I must admit the Uconn kids were better prepared for the real world and could hit the floor running. As I said previously, I knew Uconn Engineering Grads were desired for their ability to do the job --right away!! I'm not surprised.

 

[UConnNick]

You obviously haven't seen the Duke campus. And it isn't 10 degrees for a week at a time in Durham.

Would that be the same school where they slapped phony Gothic facades on the buildings to make it "look" more like an Ivy League school campus? Form over substance posers, perhaps?

Many of their students are Ivy League rejects, so they go through their four years there with a chip on their shoulders because they're not attending their respective schools of first choice. Can't argue the weather, though.

 

[SciHiGuy]

National University Rankings - US News and World Report

#8 Duke
#18 ND
#57 UConn
#103 UTenn

In general, you simply cannot compare public schools with private schools in terms of "quality of education.". The costs allow the privates to reduce class size and reinvest in infrastructure in ways that public schools cannot. Many private schools entice students with super-dorms and virtually unchecked expenditures that can easily be passed on to the applicants; public institutions are subject to budgetary review by the PUBLIC ! Of course, there are some public schools that rate highly, but there are no public schools in the Ivy Leagues (trick answer, Cornell ILR is part of SUNY).

 

[HuskyNan]

Would that be the same school where they slapped phony Gothic facades on the buildings to make it "look" more like an Ivy League school campus? Form over substance posers, perhaps?

Many of their students are Ivy League rejects, so they go through their four years there with a chip on their shoulders because they're not attending their respective schools of first choice. Can't argue the weather, though.

Whatever. It's still a beautiful campus.

 

[UConnNick]

Whatever. It's still a beautiful campus.

Beautiful college campuses are a dime a dozen. I think college students smart enough to get admitted to superior academic schools might prefer to attend ones that aren't pretending to be something they're not, and never will be.

 

[SciHiGuy]

Excellent post, HuskyD! When I hear sports broadcasters yapping about academic matters, I start yelling at my TV. They typically have very little data, and just repeat whatever mantra is convenient. ESPN's Mike Greenburg, for example, is my favorite sports discussant on TV/radio. But, when he starts in about his Northwestern degree, there is a faint odor of bovine droppings. I just chalk it up to alumnus loyalty, and let it go. Mike Golic and his ND cheerleading is somewhat the same thing. But, for me, they are both still worth listening to.

I may have degrees (three of them) from a "cheap" school, but at least I know the grammatical rules for the correct use of relflexive pronouns (myself, himself, herself, etc.), and that's more than I can say for Greenie. Yes, The Medill School is excellent. So are a lot of other places.

Purely opinion on my part (as if the preceding isn't), but college and university rankings are often skewed by a number of factors. The size of the library collection sometimes gets heavy weighting. But if the graduates don't USE that library, then should we lower that ranking?

Where you study may be important, but who you study with matters more.

Fire away, my friends.

" it matters more with whom you study..." Medill has a slot open for you...