Huskies of Honor: I'm With Stewie

[reno tony]

No, no, no.
We still have to get changes rammed through, we must agitate - just because one worthy sneaked in under the wire doesn't mean that we have solved this problem!!! What about Eliot and Jones and Faris and ____.
Keep manning the barricades!

I get so much amusement from the boneyard. Thanks for the belly l

 

[Jimbo]

No, no, no.
We still have to get changes rammed through, we must agitate - just because one worthy sneaked in under the wire doesn't mean that we have solved this problem!!! What about Eliot and Jones and Faris and ____.
Keep manning the barricades!

Put in TLAW!!!!

 

[malevocalist#]

Morgan named WBCA All American. CASE CLOSED !!!

Amen To That.....Case Is Closed!!!

 

[hoophuskee]

OH.... And if we change the criteria what about Barbara Turner???

IMO the moment UCONN put CD on the wall, they changed the criterion. CD is not a UCONN 1st team a/a. Which is great that she is on. If they win 4 titles, I'd lean toward putting her on the wall. The HOH Wall is a UCONN honor. It is not a binding contract or any binding NCAA rule. The players you mention hat weren't 1stteam a/a aren't as good as Morgan Tuck. So when you say "How about . . . " - the answer is "Morgan Tuck was better."

And there is no useful point to punish yourself if you are UCONN. These Honors are just nice things to do. If Geno is recruiting a monster class at some point in the future, there is a slim possibility the same situation might befall a similar kid like a h/s Morgan Tuck in which she sees UCONN has recruited other super players same year above her. Who knows what goes through a 17 or 18 year olds mind. In some cases 16 when they give verbals. The point is you don't NEED to be so tight when you have someone like Tuck who may very well be a part of history that is never duplicatd again.

 

[hoophuskee]

Neither CD or Geno are on their as players so 'not an AA' is a silly statement. When a non-AA player becomes the head coach or the associate head coach with 25 years of experience and a few NCs to their credit, maybe they too can get on the board.

I disagree. This wall was about A/A's. If you want to bring in something other than 1st team A/A that IS an exception. Coaches are an exception tot he rule. Yoru logic is defiantly spot on. However if we were to add logic - then . . .

Winning 4 titles and being side-stepped last year from not getting on - Geno can make a logical decision to put her on.

Others here have said "Well what about so-and-so . . .?" Sorry we are all huskyfans here- imo you put up a poll to ranked the close player imo Tuck wins in a landslide because SHE WAS BETTER than the rest. If we lose this year and she doesn't paly great, that's a different story.


If this isn't good enough then somewhere it has to be widely recognized. Being an all-american (of any kind) and winning 4 titles in 4 years is a Historic Event. We all talk about "team" and even the coaching staff. When you do something and are of something that was never done before and may never be equaled again, that should trump individual a/a. SO maybe you stick something else on the opposite side of the wall. What is being done here is HISTORIC for wcbb. IMO you can't let individualism of an honor trump what has been done. Either include Tuck if UCONN wins with the other 1stteama/'s or put her up in another way as part of History. This is MORE than just individual team banners.

 

[UcMiami]

hoophuskee - Jones in 2002 falls into the exact same category as Morgan did last year, only she didn't get a second chance the next year. Uconn nominated three players - Cash, Bird, and DT, but Jones was as important to that team as any of those three, just like Tuck last year. And the only reason Eliot isn't on the wall is that Uconn was an upstart program in 1995 and didn't get the same consideration for honors as the team does now.

And sorry but Geno and CD are the only two that are essential to that wall - without both of them no one else would be on the wall - so they are not exceptions, they are the foundation of the whole d__n wall!

 

[RSHERMVIKES]

Well, Morgan Tuck made the WBCA All-American team with Stewie and MoJeff officially getting her on the wall with her class/team mates!
I hope they unveil it when the team returns from Indianapolis.

 

[hoophuskee]

hoophuskee - Jones in 2002 falls into the exact same category as Morgan did last year, only she didn't get a second chance the next year. Uconn nominated three players - Cash, Bird, and DT, but Jones was as important to that team as any of those three, just like Tuck last year. And the only reason Eliot isn't on the wall is that Uconn was an upstart program in 1995 and didn't get the same consideration for honors as the team does now.

And sorry but Geno and CD are the only two that are essential to that wall - without both of them no one else would be on the wall - so they are not exceptions, they are the foundation of the whole d__n wall!

Jones was integral to one team. Not the 99-00 team. Thus she played 4 years - so why should she get 5 years? Tuck played basically three, and my argument WAS (happily no longer relevant because she is in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) if they win this year then she is an integral part of two titles (vs just the one for Jones). And Tuck's team did something historic over 4 years. And thus Tuck's career had more accomplishments and imo Tuck's junior year was superior to Jones sr year. Tuck shot a higher percentage, has a better efg% and is a better passer. So Tuck is better.

Regarding Jamelle Elliott. She wasn't as good as Tuck nor were her career teams. Tuck's junior year superior to Jamelle in any of her years. I compared Jamelle's title year vs Tucks jr title year, and Tuck averaged more while being more efficient from the floor and was a better passer. Thus Tuck was better.

 

[hoophuskee]

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And sorry but Geno and CD are the only two that are essential to that wall - without both of them no one else would be on the wall - so they are not exceptions, they are the foundation of the whole d__n wall![/QUOTE]

We can agree to disagree. They are exceptions. They aren't a/a's. That was - they said- it was for A/A's. Nothign I recall was said about "foundations." If we want to bring in "foundations" then imo Tuck may be "a foundation" for a Historic Event that may never to be equaled again in the History of WCBB.

 

[hjoerring]

Whilst it's problematic to change the rules for letting this or that one in, consider this. Today, it is (almost) impossible for 3 players to be selected from the same team as AA. If it is indeed the coaches who decide the 2 people then their is selection already involved. Would Morgan have made AA this year if the team decided to send her name up (perhaps they did so) instead of Stewart? I'm sure Stewart would have seconded it. Would the comm. abide accordingly or just picked another player from another program. Perhaps it's time to move to another model: form a comm. make up former captains, coaches, the usual 2 students, 2 season ticket holders and 1 outside coach and/or sport broadcaster. Just a stab at it.

 

[warbler1055]

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And sorry but Geno and CD are the only two that are essential to that wall - without both of them no one else would be on the wall - so they are not exceptions, they are the foundation of the whole d__n wall!

We can agree to disagree. They are exceptions. They aren't a/a's. That was - they said- it was for A/A's. Nothign I recall was said about "foundations." If we want to bring in "foundations" then imo Tuck may be "a foundation" for a Historic Event that may never to be equaled again in the History of WCBB.[/QUOTE]

As you said HWH is a Huskies Wall of Honors. AA is just 1 (ONE) criteria not the only one. That's why CD is on it.

 

[UcMiami]

We can agree to disagree. They are exceptions. They aren't a/a's. That was - they said- it was for A/A's. Nothign I recall was said about "foundations." If we want to bring in "foundations" then imo Tuck may be "a foundation" for a Historic Event that may never to be equaled again in the History of WCBB.

As you said HWH is a Huskies Wall of Honors. AA is just 1 (ONE) criteria not the only one. That's why CD is on it.[/QUOTE]
I think Geno said it is my wall and I make the rules. For a player to go up on the wall they have to be first team AA. There are NO exceptions on the wall at this time. There are multiple categories like for any hall of fame in any sport - players, coaches, media personalities, owners/commissioners/others. To not recognize that is just being obtuse.

I love what Morgan has meant to this program and I am very happy that she 'earned' the right to be on the wall by being named an AA this year, but I would have been equally unhappy if she was added to the wall for an 'exception' when there are so many equally worthy candidates for whom regardless of sentimentality no exception was made. Essential to championships - Jessica Moore and Maria Conlon (3), Asjha Jones and Ann Strother and Barb Turner and Kelly Faris (2), Jamelle Elliott (the most important 1) to name a few.

 

[hoophuskee]

As you said HWH is a Huskies Wall of Honors. AA is just 1 (ONE) criteria not the only one. That's why CD is on it.

I think Geno said it is my wall and I make the rules. For a player to go up on the wall they have to be first team AA. There are NO exceptions on the wall at this time. There are multiple categories like for any hall of fame in any sport - players, coaches, media personalities, owners/commissioners/others. To not recognize that is just being obtuse.

I love what Morgan has meant to this program and I am very happy that she 'earned' the right to be on the wall by being named an AA this year, but I would have been equally unhappy if she was added to the wall for an 'exception' when there are so many equally worthy candidates for whom regardless of sentimentality no exception was made. Essential to championships - Jessica Moore and Maria Conlon (3), Asjha Jones and Ann Strother and Barb Turner and Kelly Faris (2), Jamelle Elliott (the most important 1) to name a few.[/QUOTE]

You're right Geno is the decider. And he has changed his mind in the past on other issues and I was in agreement with Stewie - "put her on" - with me -- "if she wins." She'd be a relevant part of HISTORY that no class has ever experienced. I think eventually he would have done it. Can't prove it. But he is getting softer. Lobo and Wolters have said it- I think other player's too.

I do disagree big time with "equally deserving" of all the other players you mentioned vs Morgan Tuck if they win title 4. There is no way I consider those players as good as Morgan Tuck. I put Tuck in the Swin and Shea tier. That surpasses every player you have mentioned. IMO to not put Tuck in the tier of Cash/Ralph - if she wins title number 4- is to not give her her just due. What has so far been done here these past 4 years is historic. In that case as time went by I would have been more and more disappointed he didn't put her on the wall in some way because he already had allowed for an exception. But as you say it is his wall and I'm only a fan.

 

[RockyMTblue2]

Geno reiterated for the XXths time 2 days ago that Morgan was robbed last year. I am so happy that this has become an academic question for Morgan. But it will arise again (if we are lucky) and I am firmly of the belief that the penultimate prize for UConn Husky WCBB Greats should not be left to the AA process. Hell, put another bunch of banners up for AAs, but how UConn WCBB defines greatness is up to UConn. Who knows better the contributions toward greatness, legacy, dynasty.

 

[j66kicker]

I have been in the camp of, "Let's do it by the book and let the chips fall where they may, but maintain the integrity of the 'Huskies of Honor' distinction." I'm super glad that the chips fell for Morgan and she got in, because I think she deserves it.

But I also think we should recognize that, regardless that she got a ring for her redshirt year, technically she was not an active player on the roster that year and therefore didn't "win" 4 championships. She could attempt to rectify this, however - as well as try to get a 5th ring

 

[Jimbo]

You're right Geno is the decider. And he has changed his mind in the past on other issues and I was in agreement with Stewie - "put her on" - with me -- "if she wins." She'd be a relevant part of HISTORY that no class has ever experienced. I think eventually he would have done it. Can't prove it. But he is getting softer. Lobo and Wolters have said it- I think other player's too.

I do disagree big time with "equally deserving" of all the other players you mentioned vs Morgan Tuck if they win title 4. There is no way I consider those players as good as Morgan Tuck. I put Tuck in the Swin and Shea tier. That surpasses every player you have mentioned. IMO to not put Tuck in the tier of Cash/Ralph - if she wins title number 4- is to not give her her just due. What has so far been done here these past 4 years is historic. In that case as time went by I would have been more and more disappointed he didn't put her on the wall in some way because he already had allowed for an exception. But as you say it is his wall and I'm only a fan.

Nobody has allowed for any "exceptions" to anything. The sole criterion for a student-athlete to be inducted is first-team All-America status. That's always been the rule, it's always been adhered to, and it didn't magically change this year. That rule doesn't apply to Chris Dailey at all because she's never been a UConn student-athlete, so no "exception" was necessary to put her name up on the wall. She is, and always was, outside the scope of that rule. You don't need to make "exceptions" to rules for people when those rules don't even apply to them in the first place.

Now, maybe some exceptions or loosening of the All-America rule should be made for certain players or ex-players, or maybe not. That's a debate that might be worth having, but using CD to argue anything one way or the other is a non-sequitur. Her induction into the Huskies of Honor had nothing to do with that rule and did not affect its applicability whatsoever.

 

[Kibitzer]

Had Morgan not qualified by making AA, some here would have sought that an exception be made to get her on that Wall of Honor. Had that occurred (highly unlikely IMO), Morgan's selection would have become a major source of resentment and a permanently tainted honor. Let's look forward to the next honoree, OK?

 

[Jimbo]

I have been in the camp of, "Let's do it by the book and let the chips fall where they may, but maintain the integrity of the 'Huskies of Honor' distinction." I'm super glad that the chips fell for Morgan and she got in, because I think she deserves it.

But I also think we should recognize that, regardless that she got a ring for her redshirt year, technically she was not an active player on the roster that year and therefore didn't "win" 4 championships. She could attempt to rectify this, however - as well as try to get a 5th ring

It's crossed my mind as well that Morgan wasn't active for the 2014 title run, but she was still active for eight games that season before redshirting. So she did contribute to a handful of the 40 victories. So I don't know, where do we draw the line as far as who "wins" a championship? If UConn is fortunate enough to win tomorrow night, I think Lou still wins a championship even though she's not active for the championship game itself. Maybe a player who redshirts is different? Or maybe just a player who redshirts for the entire season is different? Or maybe everyone wins it regardless? It's an interesting philosophical question, I think.

 

[j66kicker]

It's crossed my mind as well that Morgan wasn't active for the 2014 title run, but she was still active for eight games that season before redshirting. So she did contribute to a handful of the 40 victories. So I don't know, where do we draw the line as far as who "wins" a championship? If UConn is fortunate enough to win tomorrow night, I think Lou still wins a championship even though she's not active for the championship game itself. Maybe a player who redshirts is different? Or maybe just a player who redshirts for the entire season is different? Or maybe everyone wins it regardless? It's an interesting philosophical question, I think.

I'm sure Lou "wins" a championship, as she is on the active roster. Re. Morgan, did Butler "win" an NC last year? I guess it's neither here nor there, and I'm not losing any sleep over it - just my take.

 

[Kibitzer]

I'm sure Lou "wins" a championship, as she is on the active roster. Re. Morgan, did Butler "win" an NC last year? I guess it's neither here nor there, and I'm not losing any sleep over it - just my take.

Everyone on the roster gets credit and an NC ring - including Heather Buck for her redshirt (mono) year and Natalie last year. I am sure there have been others.

The only one that completely floored me was when many of us attended a championship celebration gala at the AquaTurf in Southington. Geno was in good form and among his sharpest zingers were those aimed at poor Heather Buck. NC rings were distributed not only to players but also to key school officials and wcbb staff. I saw no harm in this but I was completely dumbfounded when Geno (publicly!) gave one to Doris Burke! I swear it to be true!!

Other Boneyarders were there and I hope they will back me up on this. Or someone ask Doris herself.

 

[j66kicker]

The only one that completely floored me was when many of us attended a championship celebration gala at the AquaTurf in Southington. Geno was in good form and among his sharpest zingers were those aimed at poor Heather Buck. NC rings were distributed not only to players but also to key school officials and wcbb staff. I saw no harm in this but I was completely dumbfounded when Geno (publicly!) gave one to Doris Burke! I swear it to be true!!

Other Boneyarders were there and I hope they will back me up on this. Or someone ask Doris herself.

One of the items in the 2002 audit of the UCONN Foundation was one year they bought 60 championship rings at a cost of $263,000

 

[hoophuskee]

Nobody has allowed for any "exceptions" to anything. The sole criterion for a student-athlete to be inducted is first-team All-America status. That's always been the rule, it's always been adhered to, and it didn't magically change this year. That rule doesn't apply to Chris Dailey at all because she's never been a UConn student-athlete, so no "exception" was necessary to put her name up on the wall. She is, and always was, outside the scope of that rule. You don't need to make "exceptions" to rules for people when those rules don't even apply to them in the first place.

Now, maybe some exceptions or loosening of the All-America rule should be made for certain players or ex-players, or maybe not. That's a debate that might be worth having, but using CD to argue anything one way or the other is a non-sequitur. Her induction into the Huskies of Honor had nothing to do with that rule and did not affect its applicability whatsoever.

When they first began to put up the player's jersey's, what did they say? I remember them saying it was for the 1st team all-americans. You heard different?

 

[hoophuskee]

Geno reiterated for the XXths time 2 days ago that Morgan was robbed last year. I am so happy that this has become an academic question for Morgan. But it will arise again (if we are lucky) and I am firmly of the belief that the penultimate prize for UConn Husky WCBB Greats should not be left to the AA process. Hell, put another bunch of banners up for AAs, but how UConn WCBB defines greatness is up to UConn. Who knows better the contributions toward greatness, legacy, dynasty.

That's why it's great that it's out of the NCAA's hands. Geno can do as he sees fit. Hopefully when he reties 25 years from now with 20 more championships, they've have to build a new arena with all the jersey up on the wall.

 

[hoophuskee]

I have been in the camp of, "Let's do it by the book and let the chips fall where they may, but maintain the integrity of the 'Huskies of Honor' distinction." I'm super glad that the chips fell for Morgan and she got in, because I think she deserves it.

But I also think we should recognize that, regardless that she got a ring for her redshirt year, technically she was not an active player on the roster that year and therefore didn't "win" 4 championships. She could attempt to rectify this, however - as well as try to get a 5th ring

The thing is- I can recall one time I knew someone that won and he was nothing more than a bench player. At the banquet that player was also s spoken of well plus during some of the trying times during the season some of the players made some very good comments of that bench player. And I do hear from Geno teams and many others that speak of their bench as vital even though they don't play.

DO you think Morgan did nothing for the team that year? If that is the case, why was she even at the games? And when I hear about "all players on the bench" are needed even if they aren't playing, that's not just words is it? It especially wouldn't be words for Tuck, would it?

 

[hoophuskee]

Had Morgan not qualified by making AA, some here would have sought that an exception be made to get her on that Wall of Honor. Had that occurred (highly unlikely IMO), Morgan's selection would have become a major source of resentment and a permanently tainted honor. Let's look forward to the next honoree, OK?

I don't think it would have been tainted. Others don't either. It would have been something I agreed with. There is a reason why Geno said -- "There are NO exceptions on the wall at this time."

He is clearly keeping the door open imo. So to me I find it odd "There would be "resentment" from anyone on here. What difference does it make to them? While someone could be annoyed for a short time -- people on here would really lose sleep over it and end up being very resentful? Really????? A UCONN award like this is so important that they need to resent it on here? Again- I can see okay - frustration for a day or two etc.

 

[j66kicker]

DO you think Morgan did nothing for the team that year? If that is the case, why was she even at the games? And when I hear about "all players on the bench" are needed even if they aren't playing, that's not just words is it? It especially wouldn't be words for Tuck, would it?

No I don't think she "did nothing for the team" during her redshirt year. Just like I don't think Butler "did nothing for the team" during her ineligible year. If they're going to give out 60 rings (including one to Doris Burke), then those redshirt players certainly deserve one. Just more of a "rules" question I guess. To me it seems like, by definition, that in her redshirt year - since that year did not count toward her eligibility - she was not officially eligible to compete.

 

[hoophuskee]

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No I don't think she "did nothing for the team" during her redshirt year. Just like I don't think Butler "did nothing for the team" during her ineligible year. If they're going to give out 60 rings (including one to Doris Burke), then those redshirt players certainly deserve one. Just more of a "rules" question I guess. To me it seems like, by definition, that in her redshirt year - since that year did not count toward her eligibility - she was not officially eligible to compete.

I don't understand your issue? You just said you think she did contribute to the team, right? I don't understand why then you want to even mention Doris in this conversation if you think she did something for the team? And if she did, then why can't you say she earned 4 rings?

 

[j66kicker]

I don't think it would have been tainted. Others don't either. It would have been something I agreed with. There is a reason why Geno said -- "There are NO exceptions on the wall at this time."

He is clearly keeping the door open imo. So to me I find it odd "There would be "resentment" from anyone on here. What difference does it make to them? While someone could be annoyed for a short time -- people on here would really lose sleep over it and end up being very resentful? Really????? A UCONN award like this is so important that they need to resent it on here? Again- I can see okay - frustration for a day or two etc.

To me resentment on here is irrelevant. The resentment I think would be totally justified would be it it were from past great players who didn't get on the wall because they didn't qualify by the well-defined rule.

 

[j66kicker]

I don't understand your issue? You just said you think she did contribute to the team, right? I don't understand why then you want to even mention Doris in this conversation if you think she did something for the team? And if she did, then why can't you say she earned 4 rings?

I'm fine with the 4 rings to Morgan - no problemo. My comment about Doris is to illustrate that rings, if they give out 60 of them (reportedly including one to Doris) are not representative of officially being on the active roster of record on a team that won the NC.

 

[hoophuskee]

I'm fine with the 4 rings to Morgan - no problemo. My comment about Doris is to illustrate that rings, if they give out 60 of them (reportedly including one to Doris) are not representative of officially being on the active roster of record on a team that won the NC.

This is off-topic - nothing to do with our subject I have to say - with what Doris has said lately by going after Dan. I am so thrilled with her-- so thrilled - that she is standing up against a bully -- I can't explain. After she has done this this past week - whatever she has gotten - that's okay by me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!