Hurley never did this!

[thekollieman]

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This is the frame right before he shoots. Right foot already down, left foot in the air. It’s not a jump stop.

Dang! The frame where the defender has a hand on his hip (from a different vantage point) made it seem clear that it was the right call after all. But this frame, clearly coming after the hand on hip moment, makes it look like an insane call. But of course it all happened in a fraction of a second so then I guess it comes down to what the continuation rule actually says - something I don’t know.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

Dang! The frame where the defender has a hand on his hip (from a different vantage point) made it seem clear that it was the right call after all. But this frame, clearly coming after the hand on hip moment, makes it look like an insane call. But of course it all happened in a fraction of a second so then I guess it comes down to what the continuation rule actually says - something I don’t know.

This is the frame with the hand on the hip but from the broadcast. It’s the frame right before what I just posted. So defender pushes his man after dribble has been picked up, right foot comes down (last pic I posted), the left foot comes down and he goes up for the shot. I’m fully sympathetic to an argument that a foul should have been called before, but it looks like the right call on continuation.

 

[navery12]

He’s in the process of a jump stop there. Pretty clear.

Yes and the contact came after the supposed jump stop, in the start of his shooting motion. It was a clear continuation call if you watch the video and look at what people are showing you. Want to complain about the non calls at half court, sure. But it was an obvious correct call on what they did call

 

[gsmooth]

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This is the frame with the hand on the hip but from the broadcast. It’s the frame right before what I just posted. So defender pushes his man after dribble has been picked up, right foot comes down (last pic I posted), the left foot comes down and he goes up for the shot. I’m fully sympathetic to an argument that a foul should have been called before, but it looks like the right call on continuation.

The officials made the correct call. If people want to complain that #2 on ND fouled him earlier in the back court, fine. I would say those fouls in the back court were not obvious enough and that is on #2. That foul call on the shot has to be made by the official.

This reminds me of the San Diego St.-Creighton game in the Elite 8 in 2023 when the officials called the foul on Ryan Nembhard when he fouled Darrien Trammell. At first I hated the call immediately as I thought officials should not decide the game, but after seeing the replay, they absolutely made the right call and had to call it. Nembhard did the same thing that #2 from Notre Dame did-he shoved the shooter's hip.

 

[Excalibur]

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This is the frame right before he shoots. Right foot already down, left foot in the air. It’s not a jump stop.

And his hand is already off by that time.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

And his hand is already off by that time.

I’m not following your point. He commits the foul after the dribble is picked up and right before the right foot comes down. Then the left foot comes down and then he goes up with a shot. His hand being off him doesn’t impact whether the basket should have counted.

 

[uconnfan68]

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Me thinks Kyle is the embarrassment.

 

[pj]

Yes and the contact came after the supposed jump stop, in the start of his shooting motion. It was a clear continuation call if you watch the video and look at what people are showing you. Want to complain about the non calls at half court, sure. But it was an obvious correct call on what they did call

I don't see it. It's an exaggeration to call that a push, it looks like if he brushed the guy's hip it was with zero force. It was even weaker than the earlier swipes that weren't called.

The photo which had the view of the hand almost looks AI generated. From that angle you can't tell if the hand was on the hip or 6 inches away from it. It is just in front of the shooter. The shooter's balance was not disrupted.

If you call that you have to call the earlier ones.

 

[sledog]

?? What was the call??

 

[navery12]

I don't see it. It's an exaggeration to call that a push, it looks like if he brushed the guy's hip it was with zero force. It was even weaker than the earlier swipes that weren't called.

The photo which had the view of the hand almost looks AI generated. From that angle you can't tell if the hand was on the hip or 6 inches away from it. It is just in front of the shooter. The shooter's balance was not disrupted.

If you call that you have to call the earlier ones.

That's kind of a moot point when we know the defender was trying to commit a foul. I agree the earlier fouls should have been called too. But arguing it's not a foul is weird when those touch fouls are called 10 times a game as intentional fouls in those end of game situations. The argument is whether the foul should have been ruled a continuation

 

[Woof 101]

I’m not following your point. He commits the foul after the dribble is picked up and right before the right foot comes down. Then the left foot comes down and then he goes up with a shot. His hand being off him doesn’t impact whether the basket should have counted.

The basket should have counted and a foul never called, just my opinion. The game officiating has changed so much over the years it is mind boggling. Yes my age will show here but I could care less. As I remember when basketball players had to be tough but it was a game of ballet with a ball.
My point here is players bang, wrap arms, shoulder bump, pull jerseys, travel, palm the ball of which is never called. For 38 minutes the officials only call assault and the last 2 minutes a defender chasing a ball handler down the court can reach out and pat him on the butt and the whistle blows! Hard to understand.

 

[caw]

Hurley had a pattern of his outbursts that the media started covering.

This is one incident from a coach.

If another coach starts stacking up multiple instances the way Hurley did at a point then the media should for sure cover it the same way.

Hurley has been a million times better this year thankfully and our team is even better for it.

Hurley, unfortunately, is more expressive with his whining, but let's not act like the majority of coaches don't say the same, or worse. Hurley needed to cut down on being so demonstrative during games (which he has the last three years).

 

[boba]

Hurley had a pattern of his outbursts that the media started covering.

This is one incident from a coach.

If another coach starts stacking up multiple instances the way Hurley did at a point then the media should for sure cover it the same way.

Hurley has been a million times better this year thankfully and our team is even better for it.

Since no one has said it yet, I will:
Foxtrot Oscar.

 

[karstenkibbe]

Ref appears to be Justin Porterfield… the same incompetent who swallowed the whistle when Kiyan Anthony got karate chopped by the Hofstra player at the end of the Southern Canada loss to the FlyingDutchPride.

 

[pj]

That's kind of a moot point when we know the defender was trying to commit a foul. I agree the earlier fouls should have been called too. But arguing it's not a foul is weird when those touch fouls are called 10 times a game as intentional fouls in those end of game situations. The argument is whether the foul should have been ruled a continuation

The guy was clearly trying not to foul the shooter. He was trying to foul while the ballhandler was dribbling and then he put his hands in the air and kept his body distance to show he was doing his best not to foul the shooter. It's perverse for the official to ignore the weak girly hand swipes that were intentional attempts at fouling and to call the accidental hand movement that he was trying to avoid.

 

[slepers]

So he put his hand on his hip trying to avoid fouling him, great strategy!

 

[pj]

So he put his hand on his hip trying to avoid fouling him, great strategy!

No he was trying to foul him while he was dribbling and trying not to foul when he went into the act of shooting. He was following the guy and harassing him with his hands as the guy dribbled, but as soon as he saw the guy start to assemble himself for a shot, he immediately pulled his hands away and stood his body upright and held his hands in the air. The ref has to be a real to call that. Or in the pocket of the home team. If a hand-check is not a foul on the dribbler, it's not a foul on the shooter.

 

[slepers]

No he was trying to foul him while he was dribbling and trying not to foul when he went into the act of shooting. He was following the guy and harassing him with his hands as the guy dribbled, but as soon as he saw the guy start to assemble himself for a shot, he immediately pulled his hands away and stood his body upright and held his hands in the air. The ref has to be a real to call that. Or in the pocket of the home team. If a hand-check is not a foul on the dribbler, it's not a foul on the shooter.

You try to foul in that area after you had 60 feet of the court you get what you deserve

 

[BlueandOG]

Regardless of the call, the players and student managers having to restrain the coach from assailing the ref is absolutely ridiculous - and I love it. I love everything that makes ND (and BC) look bad.