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Hurley got murked by Turgeon

You all can throw all the stats you want - offensive efficiency, Kenpom yadda, yadda. I rely on watching the games and noticing we have no offensive strategy. Don't need stats to tell me that.
 
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So I think most on the board can agree that Hurley:
A. Is no offensive guru.
B. Is stubborn and does not change ways easily.
C. Needs assistants that will help him in game time situations.
So let me ask.....what do our assistants.....do, then? Kimani is supposed to be some up and comer, and Moore is a vet- but are they really not helping Hurley coach an offense? What they getting paid to do? Clap?
 
LBird33 said:
Remember the Florida UConn game wayyyy back when Donyel Marshall played? It was a disappointment. UConn was favored and Florida outplayed them end to end. A few years later uconn roared back. Sometimes teams struggle.
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I still want to punch Andrew DeClerq
 
Kathy said:
Wrong - he had 2 fouls in the first half and ended the game with 2 fouls because of how few minutes he played in the 2nd half. Not sure what you were watching, but he was not in foul trouble the whole game.
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Yup. I already posted in a separate post that i was wrong about that. Thought he had more than that.
 
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LBird33 said:
Remember the Florida UConn game wayyyy back when Donyel Marshall played? It was a disappointment. UConn was favored and Florida outplayed them end to end. A few years later uconn roared back. Sometimes teams struggle.
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Great take
 
Kathy said:
You all can throw sllthe stats you want - offensive efficiency, Kenyon yadda, yadda. I rely on watching the games and noticing we have no offensive strategy. Don't need stats to tell me that.
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How did UConn average over 76 pts per game over their last 10 regular season games? That’s a good stat. Seems like that would be hard to do with no strategy 🤔
 
Vuce said:
How did UConn average over 76 pts per game over their last 10 regular season games? That’s a good stat. Seems like that would be hard to do with no strategy 🤔
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How many points did we average in the 3 games over that span against actual good teams? It’s one thing to score 90 against Depaul and G’Town.
 
I just can't blame the coaches for the inability to make a layup or shoot from distance. If we still have these issues in a year or two, it'll be their fault for not recruiting better offensive talent. But last night we had the more talented roster, which is a credit to what the coaches have built in such short time.
 
BigFanCT said:
So I think most on the board can agree that Hurley:
A. Is no offensive guru.
B. Is stubborn and does not change ways easily.
C. Needs assistants that will help him in game time situations.
So let me ask.....what do our assistants.....do, then? Kimani is supposed to be some up and comer, and Moore is a vet- but are they really not helping Hurley coach an offense? What they getting paid to do? Clap?
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ugh. This place stinks. Maybe we should have strung out the end of the Ollie era a little longer - maybe a 6-25 season would help people appreciate the trajectory we’re currently on.
 
Huskyforlife said:
I just can't blame the coaches for the inability to make a layup or shoot from distance. If we still have these issues in a year or two, it'll be their fault for not recruiting better offensive talent. But last night we had the more talented roster, which is a credit to what the coaches have built in such short time.
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But we had it all season, and it may have even gotten progressively worse. Lack of improvement or taking steps back in any area is inherently a Coaching issue.
 
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Vuce said:
We averaged more points per game than Loyola did this year. And according to KenPom stats we were 29th in offensive efficiency and Loyola was 35th. And Loyola had the 112th rated schedule versus 53rd. Opponents defensive rating was 29th for UConn vs 123rd for Loyola so they were playing against significantly worse defense over the whole season. Loyola’s guys made shots today and last game with a roster full of juniors and seniors. Our guys have literally never been here before and Bouknight just pressed and tried to do way too much and didn’t produce in our biggest postseason games the way a first round lottery pick should. Bouk is being drafted for his offensive ability. He has a normal game in both Maryland and Creighton and we win both. None of the others really stepped up to make open shots and especially shots inside the paint
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They were able to be the 35th rated offense with MUCH less talented players. We got to 29th DESPITE our offensive game planning. What that shows is that our coach is a hell of a recruiter--we already knew that. Imagine how we could be if we put these guys in a position to succeed on both ends of the floor instead of just defense?

Don't be satisfied with pretty good--Hurley and our players are better than that.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
But we had it all season, and it may have even gotten progressively worse. Lack of improvement or taking steps back in any area is inherently a Coaching issue.
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I think that says more about our talent and luck than coaching. Martin was shooting 45% earlier in the season, stuff like that was very fluky.
 
husky429 said:
They were able to be the 35th rated offense with MUCH less talented players. We got to 29th DESPITE our offensive game planning. What that shows is that our coach is a hell of a recruiter--we already knew that. Imagine how we could be if we put these guys in a position to succeed on both ends of the floor instead of just defense?

Don't be satisfied with pretty good--Hurley and our players are better than that.
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You need to finish the analysis. Loyola got to the 35th rated offense by playing against MUCH worse defenses than we were. So basically what you are saying is that our offensive efficiency was achieved by mistake. I’m not satisfied with where we currently are. I am satisfied with the progress we’ve made and where we are headed. Some people think it’s going to be awful for the next few seasons. I don’t.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
How many points did we average in the 3 games over that span against actual good teams? It’s one thing to score 90 against Depaul and G’Town.
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Let’s do this. Take out the two highest games in that stretch and the two lowest so the 90s and 60s are gone. They averaged over 75 pts per game.
 
Vuce said:
Let’s do this. Take out the two highest games in that stretch and the two lowest so the 90s and 60s are gone. They averaged over 75 pts per game.
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We feasted on bad Big East teams, what don’t you understand? When we ran into average to good teams, Maryland, Nova and Creighton, we averaged 57 ppg.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
We feasted on bad Big East teams, what don’t you understand? When we ran into average to good teams, Maryland, Nova and Creighton, we averaged 57 ppg.
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Wait a minute. I’ve read over and over and over again here that both Maryland and Creighton were awful teams. Seriously go back and read all the posts about how bad each one was. Now they are “average to good”. Ok, got it
 
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Vuce said:
Wait a minute. I’ve read over and over and over again here that both Maryland and Creighton were awful teams. Seriously go back and read all the posts about how bad each one was. Now they are “average to good”. Ok, got it
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I never said that, nor ever thought it. Maryland survived in the toughest conference in the country. Creighton is a bit overrated but is a good team and has shot makers. Neither is bad at all.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
I never said that, nor ever thought it. Maryland survived in the toughest conference in the country. Creighton is a bit overrated but is a good team and has shot makers. Neither is bad at all.
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So you are the arbiter of who is good and who is bad? If UConn scores points that team must be bad. If they struggle to score that team is good. Ok.
 
Vuce said:
So you are the arbiter of who is good and who is bad? If UConn scores points that team must be bad. If they struggle to score that team is good. Ok.
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What the hell are you talking about? You’re literally all over the place lol.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
What the hell are you talking about? You’re literally all over the place lol.
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You are picking and choosing who is bad and who is good to support your argument. You want to eliminate any team that UConn scored well against. Quick search on Ken Pom shows Creighton, USC, DePaul and Georgetown in the top 50 In defensive rating.
 
Vuce said:
You are picking and choosing who is bad and who is good to support your argument. You want to eliminate any team that UConn scored well against. Quick search on Ken Pom shows Creighton, USC, DePaul and Georgetown in the top 50 In defensive rating.
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Well USC wasn’t in the last 10 games that you mentioned, so you can just forget them. Creighton is a good defensive team and team in general, never said they weren’t. Depaul and G’Town have the benefit of being in the BE to boost their defensive numbers. There’s isn’t a great offensive team in our league. And if you want to hang your hat on scoring 90 on an ATROCIOUS Depaul team, and a G’Town team that got hot for a few games but other than that was pretty awful as well, go for it. I base my observations on playing teams that we expect to be on the level on.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Well USC wasn’t in the last 10 games that you mentioned, so you can just forget them. Creighton is a good defensive team and team in general, never said they weren’t. Depaul and G’Town have the benefit of being in the BE to boost their defensive numbers. There’s isn’t a great offensive team in our league. And if you want to hang your hat on scoring 90 on an ATROCIOUS Depaul team, and a G’Town team that got hot for a few games but other than that was pretty awful as well, go for it. I base my observations on playing teams that we expect to be on the level on.
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Once again, you are making stuff up to suit you. DePaul is not a good overall team but they are a good defensive team. Same as Gtown. Because UConn scored well against those teams you can’t have them be good defensively despite what the numbers say. I should have been more clear on the USC mention. Of the teams UConn played, those 5 (add Maryland) were in the Top 50 defensively. There are roughly 350 division 1 programs so top 50 is the top 15% defensively. I haven’t run the UConn scoring numbers for the games against those teams but that would be a fair assessment whatever it comes out to
 
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BigFanCT said:
So I think most on the board can agree that Hurley:
A. Is no offensive guru.
B. Is stubborn and does not change ways easily.
C. Needs assistants that will help him in game time situations.
So let me ask.....what do our assistants.....do, then? Kimani is supposed to be some up and comer, and Moore is a vet- but are they really not helping Hurley coach an offense? What they getting paid to do? Clap?
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Do we need 3 top notch recruiters or would we be better off with a real Xs and Os guy as our 3rd assistant? Maybe I’m mistaken and Tom Moore is that guy but doesn’t seem that way. Even Calhoun after 35 years of coaching experience had Blaney.
 
Vuce said:
Once again, you are making stuff up to suit you. DePaul is not a good overall team but they are a good defensive team. Same as Gtown. Because UConn scored well against those teams you can’t have them be good defensively despite what the numbers say. I should have been more clear on the USC mention. Of the teams UConn played, those 5 (add Maryland) were in the Top 50 defensively. There are roughly 350 division 1 programs so top 50 is the top 15% defensively. I haven’t run the UConn scoring numbers for the games against those teams but that would be a fair assessment whatever it comes out to
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Okay so I went and actually looked up numbers to prove you wrong. Depaul and Georgetown both give up 72 ppg. 211th and 221st in the nation. So, there it is, bad defensive teams. End of argument.
 
nychuskyfan said:
Do we need 3 top notch recruiters or would we be better off with a real Xs and Os guy as our 3rd assistant? Maybe I’m mistaken and Tom Moore is that guy but doesn’t seem that way. Even Calhoun after 35 years of coaching experience had Blaney.
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How often do you even see Danny talking to his assistants during the game? Calhoun would sit next to Leitao, Dickenman, Blaney. He'd kneel near them and talk to them a lot during games.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Okay so I went and actually looked up numbers to prove you wrong. Depaul and Georgetown both give up 72 ppg. 211th and 221st in the nation. So, there it is, bad defensive teams. End of argument.
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You arent thinking this through. If you arent taking into account for pace of play and possessions per game then it's not an accurate measure. I believe KenPom does that. Points allowed per possession is another good measure (too lazy to look that up).
 
Vuce said:
You arent thinking this through. If you arent taking into account for pace of play and possessions per game then it's not an accurate measure. I believe KenPom does that. Points allowed per possession is another good measure (too lazy to look that up).
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Oh my lord. Please die on the hill that Depaul is a good defensive team. Analytics are incredibly overrated. Analytics said we were a top 25 offensive team. Anyone who watched our games could see that wasn’t true. 221st in defensive PPG is not a good defensive team no matter how you cut it.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Oh my lord. Please die on the hill that Depaul is a good defensive team. Analytics are incredibly overrated. Analytics said we were a top 25 offensive team. Anyone who watched our games could see that wasn’t true. 221st in defensive PPG is not a good defensive team no matter how you cut it.
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Baahahahahahaha - yes Analytics are overrated. OK Boomer
 
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