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Lewis was busy abusing Whaley last night and I was busy wondering if they would double him in the low block. Finally with about 5 minutes left Hurley called time out and from then on out we doubled him to perfection. The rest of the game I don't think he scored and the game was ours. What the heck took so long to double him? And I defend Dan Hurley always but this delay had me scratching my head.
 
Dan Hurley should have called that timeout with about 8:31 remaining (that's when I started yelling at my TV to call it). Instead he waited for the under 8 timeout which didn't come until the 5 minute mark. With a tired team that was getting bullied he had about 5 chances to call timeout and didn't.

He also doesn't use the first half use it or lose it timeout to stop momentum. He waits until there's under a minute to use it to draw up a Polley 28 foot three attempt.

I know some coaches believe using timeouts is a sign of weakness, not sure where Dan Hurley stands on that. I think a sign of weakness is consistently giving up leads, and in this case, getting absolutely bullied. Momentum is so important in these games and you should do whatever you can to keep it on your side.
 
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ucp990411 said:
Lewis was busy abusing Whaley last night and I was busy wondering if they would double him in the low block. Finally with about 5 minutes left Hurley called time out and from then on out we doubled him to perfection. The rest of the game I don't think he scored and the game was ours. What the heck took so long to double him? And I defend Dan Hurley always but this delay had me scratching my head.
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I thought the same thing and always defend Hurley. Just more curious than anything why it took so long. Seemed to me that if we shut down Lewis, we were winning that game. Easier said than done. That Marquette team passes and cuts so well. They played so many freshman last night too. Bet in a year Shaka will have himself a really tough team to beat
 
It was painful to see a 5 year player get bullied by a freshman. A teammate should have told Whaley to hit back and punish the young bull, but of course Whaley didn't. His reluctance to shoot just added to the miserable sequences.

Whaley should never, ever allow that to happen to him by a freshman. I just can not see Jake, Kirk King, Jeff Adrien, Rod Sellers or our other Seniors allowing a freshman to abuse them like that. I would have rather seen Whaley try and take him out, push back, or even bully him back, than get punked like that. That stupid foul call just amplified what he was going through.

Just was not a good look for our 5th year senior. Hope staff or teammates get in his ear.
 
ucp990411 said:
Yeah. An 11 point lead became a one point lead. You weren’t nervous?
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The 11 point lead didn’t become a 1 point lead due to Lewis. It became a 1 point lead because Adama had two turnovers on 2 possessions which lead to the start of their momentum.
 
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husky429 said:
Thank you for helping me realize I'm not crazy. This board is so stupid sometimes.
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To be fair, FS1 listed him as a freshman during the game and Marquette does say he's a RS Freshman on their website. But they just took a year off everyone's class because of Covid, which is really weird since all these guys they list as freshman have actually played a full year already
 
CV1 said:
I thought the same thing and always defend Hurley. Just more curious than anything why it took so long. Seemed to me that if we shut down Lewis, we were winning that game. Easier said than done. That Marquette team passes and cuts so well. They played so many freshman last night too. Bet in a year Shaka will have himself a really tough team to beat
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Are coaches allowed to give freshmen extensive minutes?
 
UConn3432 said:
Dan Hurley should have called that timeout with about 8:31 remaining (that's when I started yelling at my TV to call it). Instead he waited for the under 8 timeout which didn't come until the 5 minute mark. With a tired team that was getting bullied he had about 5 chances to call timeout and didn't.

He also doesn't use the first half use it or lose it timeout to stop momentum. He waits until there's under a minute to use it to draw up a Polley 28 foot three attempt.

I know some coaches believe using timeouts is a sign of weakness, not sure where Dan Hurley stands on that. I think a sign of weakness is consistently giving up leads, and in this case, getting absolutely bullied. Momentum is so important in these games and you should do whatever you can to keep it on your side.
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In the Villanova game vs Xavier, Xavier had a 10 point lead at half time. I believe Villanova won by 10. A 20 point swing. Does that make Steele a bad coach?
 
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Current analytics dramatically underweight the value of post touches, and as a result, defenses do not always adjust to a post threat. Modern defenses focus too much on 3 point shooters and not enough on interior help.

The offensive player generally has the advantage once they get the ball within 5 feet of the basket. Defending a good player like Lewis 1-on-1 in the post is a tough assignment for any player.
 
You are correct. Deny him the ball in the post. The guards can help by making the entry pass difficult to make.
 
navery12 said:
To be fair, FS1 listed him as a freshman during the game and Marquette does say he's a RS Freshman on their website. But they just took a year off everyone's class because of Covid, which is really weird since all these guys they list as freshman have actually played a full year already
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Thought it was odd they’d start 4 freshmen. Makes more sense that they weren’t.
 
This backing down problem isn't the first time we've seen this. Collin at VIL does this all the time with great success. It does seem to take our coaching staff a long time to adjust by doubling or preventing the pass. When Ako doubled, we stole the ball several times and stopped this from happening.
Strange that we have doubled coverage making our post sprint to the top of the key swinging over a smaller player like Cole to cover a down low big until our big can get back. It doesn't seem like that is effective much except to expose us near the hoop.
In any case there was good growth with many adjustments and a quality win against a well coached team.
 
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UConn3432 said:
Dan Hurley should have called that timeout with about 8:31 remaining (that's when I started yelling at my TV to call it). Instead he waited for the under 8 timeout which didn't come until the 5 minute mark. With a tired team that was getting bullied he had about 5 chances to call timeout and didn't.

He also doesn't use the first half use it or lose it timeout to stop momentum. He waits until there's under a minute to use it to draw up a Polley 28 foot three attempt.

I know some coaches believe using timeouts is a sign of weakness, not sure where Dan Hurley stands on that. I think a sign of weakness is consistently giving up leads, and in this case, getting absolutely bullied. Momentum is so important in these games and you should do whatever you can to keep it on your side.
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As bad as that time frame was going from 8:30 down to 5:30 or so, I think that actually helped out the team for the stretch run. It was a UConn TO, under 8 TO and then the under 4 TO all in about 10 minutes of real time. Three good breaks for everyone to get their legs and lungs ready for the final push. UConn dominated the last four minutes of the game.
 
freshler40 said:
This backing down problem isn't the first time we've seen this. Collin at VIL does this all the time with great success. It does seem to take our coaching staff a long time to adjust by doubling or preventing the pass. When Ako doubled, we stole the ball several times and stopped this from happening.
Strange that we have doubled coverage making our post sprint to the top of the key swinging over a smaller player like Cole to cover a down low big until our big can get back. It doesn't seem like that is effective much except to expose us near the hoop.
In any case there was good growth with many adjustments and a quality win against a well coached team.
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Akok is a good 4 to have in the game to do the big to big double. He's quicker and longer than any post player other than Johnson and can recover quickly if the opponents big passes out of it.
 
djct1999 said:
Funny, so many on here think Hurley can't in game coach. Yet, other coaches......

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This is the same motion we run constantly and teams have learned to defend. Cole made that read on his own--not Hurley.

This isn't "All a decoy"... it's a bunch of different looks that were covered in a motion offense. I see looks that could have been scoring ops for Polley, Jackson, Rese and Whaley if it was covered different. The initial cut could have been a post up if Polley passed to Whaley, Jackson had a back cut opportunity, Polley came off a screen from Rese and could've hit a 3. We got to the end of the motion offense and Cole read the defense for a back cut. This is simply a fantastic, high IQ play by a couple of seniors.

The weave set is fine in small doses and with the right personnel. We just use it way too much as a crutch to kill clock instead of looking to score, and our players are looking for scoring options that aren't the first or second option very often. I wonder if we're just working through the motion in practice instead of isolating every single scoring opportunity and repping it out... a lot of coaches even at the highest levels don't take the time to do that and it shows. I've watched Purdue practice (for example) and they work through EVERY SINGLE scoring option when they practice a set... I haven't seen that from Hurley because we spend so much time on defense.

When you run a motion with a bunch of looks like this, players need to be trained to look for all available scoring options... seems like we run through the motion and just go for a Cole/Sanogo iso way too often.
 
djct1999 said:
Funny, so many on here think Hurley can't in game coach. Yet, other coaches......

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You beat me to it. The boneyard doesn’t actually know as much as they think they do
 
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