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In any given week you can find a couple of areas where players underperformed or screwed up. This week it was more pronounced. Our kicker could have put away a close game against Temple. The fact that we're in a close game against Temple and can't look at one game on the schedule other than UMass and expect a lockdown win is on the coaches. This is their second year and you have to honestly ask yourself if we're going in the right direction. Would a made field goal really change your assessment of the last 2 years. Not me.
 
huskyblooz said:
PP agrees with you! It's the players!
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Not saying it's just the players. I'm just saying. The longer the season goes on, the more convinced I am that our team is just not all that talented, either. No offense to the players, who are busting their asses. And there are a few standouts. But in key positions (for instance, OL and DL), we are missing the level of talent that makes the difference between close wins and losses.
 
In most games players will make mistakes. My opinion is the over the course of this season, our coaches have made more. The failure to stick to a short passing game, considering the inexperience of our QB and the issues with the OL, is the biggest mistake in my view.
 
Irish Loop said:
Not saying it's just the players. I'm just saying. The longer the season goes on, the more convinced I am that our team is just not all that talented, either. No offense to the players, who are busting their asses. And there are a few standouts. But in key positions (for instance, OL and DL), we are missing the level of talent that makes the difference between close wins and losses.
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We have more talent than our record shows.
 
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Irish Loop said:
I don't understand this board sometimes. Was it the most brilliantly coached game ever by Coach P? No.

But I saw a LOT of failures all around. Players not making plays.

-Chad Christen has to make ONE of those kicks. Any one of them. I don't care which. I'm sorry if you feel it's unfair to blame him, but COME ON.
-Chandler Whitmer missing wide open passes on several occasions and once against losing the ball.
-I saw plenty of passing on first down and even some sweeps and Joe Williams out there
-When it mattered most, the D just couldn't keep them off the field, and that's on the personnel and Don Brown (who strangely manages to avoid criticism)
-Dwayne Gratz getting beat several times including that huge pass with less than a minute left where he fell down
-Where's the Run D at? 140+ yards for Montrell Harris?

Pasqualoni's at fault because Christen can't kick a 29 year field goal? DeLeone's at fault because Whitmer once again can't protect the ball? It's Hathaway's fault that Dwayne Gratz gets beat in coverage?

I understand that we want to blame the coaches for anything and everything, and I always despised when Edsall blamed "execution," but I saw some TERRIBLE plays yesterday. Terrible plays made by players. Some experienced, some less so.

Should we have put in Puyol? Given Joe Williams more touches? Called a timeout on the last drive? I don't know. Again, I think Pasqualoni shares some of the blame. But it's not all on him. I'm sorry, but our players made some boneheaded plays, and that can't all be on him.

There's plenty of blame to go around, but if y'all think firing Pasqualoni is going to turn this bunch of kids into a BCS contender, I think you're dreaming.
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Not a flame. What is your litmus test for success? Is it results, game management, ability to adjust in-game, recruiting, etc? How would you grade PP?

One thing I know for sure, is that with PP we will never be a BCS contender.
 
ruskin said:
Just wondering if loop or srq are season ticket holders or pay for their tickets if they go to the games. And wondering if they know any players or their families.

They are certainly entitled to have their say even if the answer to all of the above is no. And if they plan on subsidizing the program if P/GDL are still in place, god bless them. I do think it's incredibly poor form to call players out, though. Most of the mistakes cited reflect a failure of leadership. This failed offensive coaching philosophy has left so little margin for error players like Chad are under extra, unneeded pressure.

By the way we're still 6th in the nation in total defense. there's a LOT other teams who would love to have DB as coordinator.
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No I am not a season ticket holder due to the fact that I live in Florida. One of the things I do miss is being able to go to these games every Saturday with my family an friends. You guys get that. I am envious. I do a hundred dollar a month donation to the athletic department as a way if support evaluate I would ha e spent that money on seasons anyway. I do fly up for one game a year with my friends this year was buffalo. They are coming down this year and we will go to usf. Can't wait till Ucf I'm big east then I can see them every year
With that said I support all our coaches. I think everyone here is sulu opportune but we show it in different ways. I am more patient. I realize all teams have their dry spell. Even Texas had one. I am starting to think a change is in order but not a firing midseason type of change. I have a little more patience and I'm not a headhunter type.
 
At the end of the day, the coach is responsible period. Otherwise, we can go without a coach. The coaches recruit, train, teach systems, establish game plans, evaluate weaknesses and strengths and motivate. All failure in execution is the coaches fault. Discipline, intensity and exactitude in execution is the goal.

There is never an excuse for losing to a less athletic, less powerful team. If we beat a top 20, PP would be a genius. Why? Because the goal is getting the team to exceed its potential. When you lose to 2 MACs, that falls on the coach.
 
HomeKing93 said:
In most games players will make mistakes. My opinion is the over the course of this season, our coaches have made more. The failure to stick to a short passing game, considering the inexperience of our QB and the issues with the OL, is the biggest mistake in my view.
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This is spot on. Did it really take 7 games for them to finally mix it up a little on first down? This coaching staff simply has no clue how to manage a game, or coach these players up on offense. They don't seem to have any interest. BTW does anyone else think that the players might be falling asleep during team meetings that PP is leading, his interview at the end of the first half was hard to listen to.
 
Who has our Oline playing at 285 lbs? Who came up with the blocking scheme that turned a top running program into one of the worst, halving the yard per rush average.

Who continues to allow Gratz and Mack to get abused in critical situations?

Who decided to fair catch every punt and not block the opposing coverage team? These are both scheme.

And finally, who keeps running the wildcat despite seven games now of ineptitude?

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ruskin said:
By the way we're still 6th in the nation in total defense. there's a LOT other teams who would love to have DB as coordinator.
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In the last Temple drive the defense wasn't in position for a couple snaps. I'm not talking about a linebacker switching sides either... the WHOLE GROUP standing and not ready when the ball is snapped. They didn't get the memo that the offense has to wait for them?
 
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Defense got two fourth-and-short stops in the 4th quarter. Takes a lot of physical and mental energy to do that over and over again. If you want to torch DB go ahead but there's lots of top 25 teams who would gladly take him off our hands
 
Irish Loop said:
Not saying it's just the players. I'm just saying. The longer the season goes on, the more convinced I am that our team is just not all that talented, either. No offense to the players, who are busting their asses. And there are a few standouts. But in key positions (for instance, OL and DL), we are missing the level of talent that makes the difference between close wins and losses.
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Talent level, is a constantly dynamic thing. You match up week to week, and have games to play.

Comparatively, internally, I don't think we are as talented, and have the physical gifts that we've had in some positions on the field, as recently as last year and the year before. In other positions on the field, we are better. That's all 3 phases of the game.

Comparatively, externally, we just played a Temple team, that is by far, less talented, and physically gifted than the Rutgers team we played the week before.

In the first uarter of that rutgers game, we had wide open passes to teh TE, that were missed. WOuld have gone for TD's. THe same thing happened aganst Temple, we connected.

The second half of the game, rolled around, we begin to rely on fundamentals, and strategy in a football game, rather than the weekly game plan executed to start the game, and we fall apart.

I don't believe that we were overmatched on the field, physically, yesterday.

I believe I"m beginning to clearly see, a couple of NFL coaches, in Pasqualoni and Deleone, that have lost touch with what it takes to build an offense in college. They seem to be approachign the game from a very professional angle, when it comes to systems, practice, preparation and it's not the pro game on offense. Period.

You can run pro-style offensive concepts, but you have to practice and prepare, like you're in college, not the NFL.
 
Srqhusky said:
No I am not a season ticket holder due to the fact that I live in Florida. One of the things I do miss is being able to go to these games every Saturday with my family an friends. You guys get that. I am envious. I do a hundred dollar a month donation to the athletic department as a way if support evaluate I would ha e spent that money on seasons anyway. I do fly up for one game a year with my friends this year was buffalo. They are coming down this year and we will go to usf. Can't wait till Ucf I'm big east then I can see them every year
With that said I support all our coaches. I think everyone here is sulu opportune but we show it in different ways. I am more patient. I realize all teams have their dry spell. Even Texas had one. I am starting to think a change is in order but not a firing midseason type of change. I have a little more patience and I'm not a headhunter type.
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I agree with this assessment, but there are times, when you've got to fire somebody to make a change. It's probably one of the hardest things that a person in position of authority over others needs to do. You know that a person's method of making money, is going to get cut off if you make such a decision.

The thing to determine at this point, is whether or not we are in a point in a cycle, or we are in a linear trend, and if so - in each case - where are we on the line, and what direction are we going?

THe lifeblood of every football program is recruiting. If a change is determined necessary in coaching staff, based on field/game performance, the effect it will have on recruiting needs to be measured and calculated.

Just saying.
 
First, the coaching has been suspect this year. From horrible clock management, to disjointed offensive playcalling.

But I do agree, there is a talent issue on offense as well. Our running game is anemic, and it can't all be blamed on the O Line. Losing Petrus and Mike Ryan really hurt that line.
 
We make the right adjustments on offense yesterday, we win the game. No need to be held hostage by a kicker. Game over.
 
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Irish Loop said:
Not saying it's just the players. I'm just saying. The longer the season goes on, the more convinced I am that our team is just not all that talented, either. No offense to the players, who are busting their asses. And there are a few standouts. But in key positions (for instance, OL and DL), we are missing the level of talent that makes the difference between close wins and losses.
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When you come out of the gate up 14-0 in less than a quarter, and then are only able to manage 4 fg attempts the rest of the game, that's coaching. Temple made adjustments, UConn couldn't adjust to their adjustments.

When the talent level is very close to your opposition, it's coaching that distinguishes the wins from the losses. We don't have an overwhelming lack of talent for the schedule we are playing. We are in the Big East playing MAC and mediocre ACC teams OOC. And we are losing the close games, that's an indictment of the coaching.

Yesterday's loss may have been prevented with Christen making a field goal. But were we to win, it would have been a result that masked the greater problem. From the 2nd quarter on, it was an incredibly poorly coached game.
 
My god this thread is like a street fight I don't know were to turn next! Awesome!!!!
 
Boy, wish CW had hit Williams in the flat in 4th qtr, would have been 1st down or maybe TD, win game. Something about teams that let other teams hang around until they finally lose, or get in high gear only when game almost hopeless. Remember Alabama going like 6 and 6 with losing all (most all) by 7 or less; next year going undefeated and winning NC. Don't see Uconn losses this year as building like that to better year. Team is not learning how to win but coming up short, there is something wrong with how we are managing/scheming the game and the lack of reaction to opponents move during game keeps down the learning curve of players. Trying to win is practice for winning; trying not to lose is practice for losing.
 
Carl Spackler said:
I agree with this assessment, but there are times, when you've got to fire somebody to make a change. It's probably one of the hardest things that a person in position of authority over others needs to do. You know that a person's method of making money, is going to get cut off if you make such a decision.

The thing to determine at this point, is whether or not we are in a point in a cycle, or we are in a linear trend, and if so - in each case - where are we on the line, and what direction are we going?

THe lifeblood of every football program is recruiting. If a change is determined necessary in coaching staff, based on field/game performance, the effect it will have on recruiting needs to be measured and calculated.

Just saying.
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He did recruit whitmer Phillips joe Williams and the kid from Penn state who seems decent. My prediction wa a moderate improvement in year one of the offense and getting better each year. By year three we r dominant. We need to be able to pound the rock too!! Hopefully things will start trending upwards in the next couple of games. If we don't get a bowl I would love to see an upset of Louisville or Cincinnati.
 
Waquoit said:
I'm not going to roast somebody new to the game like yourself, someone with no understanding of turning points. But that punt told the team that the coach doesn't have any faith in them. They lost all the swagger they started the game with at that moment.
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When your defense is playing lights out and you have the opportunity to pin a team that has less than 50 yards of total offense you try to pin them deep.

If you want to roast PP on something, roast him about not using a time-out when the defense was clearly confused just prior to Temple's 33 yard completion on Gratz. Lot's of subbing going on prior to that play which is obviously difficult when the other team is running a hurry up. Or a TO after the completion to settle the D down.

PP seems to have a hard time making split side-line decisions. I can't remember exactly when during the game this occurred but it was in the 4th when Temple got called for 10 or 15 yard offensive penalty...could've been offensive pass interference. You almost never decline a 10-15 yard penalty that would make it something and 20-25 for a first down. Especially when the clock is on your side. PP hesitated and was waiting for word from the coaches booth upstairs before accepting the penalty. A guy with as much experience as him should be able to make the decision immediately.
 
The coaching hasn't been acceptable, but that said, the offense Saturday played well enough to win comfortably. 3 missed field goals, and we're not talking 55 yarders. Make 1 and the game is over. make all 3 and it's a comfortable win. The fact is UConn moved the football, got into scoring range and came away with nothing 3 times before the overtime. Lots of teams win with that type of offense and we should have too. Christen seems like a stand up guy and a great kid. But you miss 4 field goals and you take a seat. Maybe you get another chance next year.

There are lots of problems with this team. The offensive line is terrible, whether its schemes or talent or some of each, you can't let your quarterback get sacked 6 times every game. And Whitmer is inexperienced and at times it shows. And in my view, which I know is not the majority one, the defense is something of a statistical anomaly...it is better on paper than on the field. It still gives up too many big plays at crucial points.

Staurday was a most frustrating game. And I'm not at all sure UConn can recover from it. This team, which I thought would take a solid step forward, is in real danger of imploding.
 
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Re offensive line/pass protection: IMO the "scheme" and philosophy bear a lot of responsibility for the sacks. Chandler rarely deviates from the 5-7 step straight drop, so opposing DC's have a pretty good idea where he's going when he steps back and can plan accordingly. In the process of that planning, they can pretty easily figure out where to send the extra blitzer. Most of the sacks at W. Mich. came because we didn't have enough guys in protection. We ran empty backfield a lot Saturday so without looking at video (and I don't have the stomach for it) I'll bet at least half the sacks came when they had the extra guy.
The very few times we use a short drop or, God forbid, a true rollout off play action, the plays seem to work. Why these and more short passing to the tight ends aren't used is one of the biggest mysteries of this godawful season.
 
freescooter said:
The coaching hasn't been acceptable, but that said, the offense Saturday played well enough to win comfortably. 3 missed field goals, and we're not talking 55 yarders. Make 1 and the game is over. make all 3 and it's a comfortable win. The fact is UConn moved the football, got into scoring range and came away with nothing 3 times before the overtime. Lots of teams win with that type of offense and we should have too. Christen seems like a stand up guy and a great kid. But you miss 4 field goals and you take a seat. Maybe you get another chance next year.

There are lots of problems with this team. The offensive line is terrible, whether its schemes or talent or some of each, you can't let your quarterback get sacked 6 times every game. And Whitmer is inexperienced and at times it shows. And in my view, which I know is not the majority one, the defense is something of a statistical anomaly...it is better on paper than on the field. It still gives up too many big plays at crucial points.

Staurday was a most frustrating game. And I'm not at all sure UConn can recover from it. This team, which I thought would take a solid step forward, is in real danger of imploding.
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Our "back up" kicker is redshirting. It's not worth blowing it at this point, seeing as we are on the outside looking in on mere bowl eligibility (let alone an invitation).
 
Irish Loop said:
I don't understand this board sometimes. Was it the most brilliantly coached game ever by Coach P? No.

But I saw a LOT of failures all around. Players not making plays.

-Chad Christen has to make ONE of those kicks. Any one of them. I don't care which. I'm sorry if you feel it's unfair to blame him, but COME ON.
-Chandler Whitmer missing wide open passes on several occasions and once against losing the ball.
-I saw plenty of passing on first down and even some sweeps and Joe Williams out there
-When it mattered most, the D just couldn't keep them off the field, and that's on the personnel and Don Brown (who strangely manages to avoid criticism)
-Dwayne Gratz getting beat several times including that huge pass with less than a minute left where he fell down
-Where's the Run D at? 140+ yards for Montrell Harris?

Pasqualoni's at fault because Christen can't kick a 29 year field goal? DeLeone's at fault because Whitmer once again can't protect the ball? It's Hathaway's fault that Dwayne Gratz gets beat in coverage?

I understand that we want to blame the coaches for anything and everything, and I always despised when Edsall blamed "execution," but I saw some TERRIBLE plays yesterday. Terrible plays made by players. Some experienced, some less so.

Should we have put in Puyol? Given Joe Williams more touches? Called a timeout on the last drive? I don't know. Again, I think Pasqualoni shares some of the blame. But it's not all on him. I'm sorry, but our players made some boneheaded plays, and that can't all be on him.

There's plenty of blame to go around, but if y'all think firing Pasqualoni is going to turn this bunch of kids into a BCS contender, I think you're dreaming.
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If you always despised when Edsall blamed "execution," then why are you raising the issue?

Players, for the most part, win and lose games. Coaches, absent clear and egregious mistakes, are reviewed and judged at the end of the season as to how well their players executed. But in what world do you get to blame the coach for players not executing when you don't like the coach, and then be upset when others blame a different coach for their players failure to execute?

I so far have only seen the last few minutes, but fwiw I blame the collapse at the end primarily on the players.
 
ruskin said:
Re offensive line/pass protection: IMO the "scheme" and philosophy bear a lot of responsibility for the sacks. Chandler rarely deviates from the 5-7 step straight drop, so opposing DC's have a pretty good idea where he's going when he steps back and can plan accordingly. In the process of that planning, they can pretty easily figure out where to send the extra blitzer. Most of the sacks at W. Mich. came because we didn't have enough guys in protection. We ran empty backfield a lot Saturday so without looking at video (and I don't have the stomach for it) I'll bet at least half the sacks came when they had the extra guy.
The very few times we use a short drop or, God forbid, a true rollout off play action, the plays seem to work. Why these and more short passing to the tight ends aren't used is one of the biggest mysteries of this godawful season.
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Perhaps the offensive line is having enough trouble with the current passing scheme that if they tried to move the pocket, it would result in more holding calls. It's just a theory, but a plausible one given this group of offensive coaches.
 
RMS25CT said:
When your defense is playing lights out and you have the opportunity to pin a team that has less than 50 yards of total offense you try to pin them deep.

If you want to roast PP on something, roast him about not using a time-out when the defense was clearly confused just prior to Temple's 33 yard completion on Gratz. Lot's of subbing going on prior to that play which is obviously difficult when the other team is running a hurry up. Or a TO after the completion to settle the D down.

PP seems to have a hard time making split side-line decisions. I can't remember exactly when during the game this occurred but it was in the 4th when Temple got called for 10 or 15 yard offensive penalty...could've been offensive pass interference. You almost never decline a 10-15 yard penalty that would make it something and 20-25 for a first down. Especially when the clock is on your side. PP hesitated and was waiting for word from the coaches booth upstairs before accepting the penalty. A guy with as much experience as him should be able to make the decision immediately.
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That's a great point. I remember wondering what the hell was taking so long, I thought the play was being reveiwed or something.

I do disagree that they were confused prior to that 33 yard completion, I think they were slow, because they were celebrating a sack, and Temple did what they had to do in that situation, and got lined up to run the next play as fast as they could. I do remember jumping up and down like a maniac after Trevardo Williams sack on Coyer when the defense seemed really happy with themselves, people in my section think I'm crazy. A safety, a LB, and DL all congratulating themselves, while Temple is clearly in a hurry up mode.

Temple had just used their last timeout, after another sack by Willman. That defense should have been disciplined to know, that whatever happened, Temple had no timeouts, so if the ball was down in the field, they needed to be ready for Temple to get back to the line of scrimmage as fast as they could, and run the next play. The QB got no pressure on the next play, because our entire defense was shifting and all 11 were still standing and not set at the snap, and Temple QB made a great throw, our DB - Gratz - falls down - AGAIN, and the receiver makes a great sideline catch on a good throw on target this time. It was 3rd and 14 I think midfield, out of field goal range, under a minute to go. SHould the coaches have called timeout? Sure, but I'd rather have a team that's disciplined enough, to wait until they're coming off the field, to celebrate, and have the urgency to get up off the QB, and get back and get set for the next play in that situation when they've made a great play on second down, but the offense is in 4 down territority, with no timeouts and the clock running.

I realize that this kind of thing, that I"m finding fault with our defense, is not the biggest problem by far with our team, but it was important on Saturday.
 
Husky25 said:
Our "back up" kicker is redshirting. It's not worth blowing it at this point, seeing as we are on the outside looking in on mere bowl eligibility (let alone an invitation).
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I don't know. If its close I might just go with him. It isn't just that Chisten has missed 4 in a row, He has actually missed 5 straight and he's only 1-6 from 40 yards or more. Seems to me you are pretty much saying we are not even going to try to score.

But he fact remains, that the offense played well enough to win that game fairly comfortably. They drove into scoring position 5 times and came away with 14 points. They drove early. They drove in the 3rd quarter and they drove late in the 4th. Not great long drives, other than the first one,but into scoring position. You cannot come away with 0 points.
 
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