How do we even things out?

[Jaydumo20]

Tragically Hip singer Gord Downie sang "when something's too cheap, somebody is paying something"

If one group greatly benefits, another may be inversely effected.

First the NCAA and the schools benefited, alone,. Now we evened it out so that mostly 3-5 star middle classmen benefit.

But how do we now even this out so that not only the finest of the 5 star HS players get big looks?
How do we take care of the mid majors?
Or the coaches who now have to deal with madness all year, some who now get paid less than their players? The kids were breaking their backs for the company brass and coming away empty handed; now, Not.
But now the mid majors will be breaking their backs for no real returns.

If our goal was for fairness, should we still keep fairness for all top of mind?

 

[husky429]

I don't know, man. I do know we really blew this NIL thing.

Collective bargaining for athletes? Contracts and more stringent rules?

Or if we're going the free market route... performances minimums, contracts, etc.

 

[Deleted at users request]

Simply fixing the portal would go a long way.

The crazy thing is, I don't think any program has suffered more from the portal era than Kansas and UNC.

They went from retaining elite recruiting classes year over year to now losing out on those guys and replacing them with mid majors who were former 3*s. There programs have not been the same dominant programs they once were.

 

[bendm]

That article from last month about revenue sharing made it seem like it would help any schools that don’t have football, relative to schools that do have football, including midmajors.

 

[Jaydumo20]

I don't know, man. I do know we really blew this NIL thing.

Collective bargaining for athletes? Contracts and more stringent rules?

Or if we're going the free market route... performances minimums, contracts, etc.

Yes. I tend to side with this.
To quote another singer:
David Byrne "my god, what have i done?"

 

[Jaydumo20]

That article from last month about revenue sharing made it seem like it would help any schools that don’t have football, relative to schools that do have football, including midmajors.

I'll have to re-read this. Can you share if you have it on hand?

 

[Deepster]

Pandora's Box is open.

I remember reading a book about the Fab Five where Webber couldn't afford his McDonald's meal and had to drop a few things from his order. He walked outside and saw his Michigan uniform for sale in the window of a store for like $250.00 or something.

The pendulum has swung completely in the other direction. And, the other thing impacting it is the G-League kind of stinks. Why muck around in that league for 10 day callups or playing in front of no one for peanuts if you can just play 4 years at 4 schools and sell out to the highest bidder each time?

 

[uconndogs]

To the OP - the current system has nothing to do with fairness and everything to do with creating an unfair advantage for those with access to funding. Plain and simple, this has nothing at all to do with the typical student athlete and everything to do with winning at all cost.

Total mess......

 

[superjohn]

NCAA was greedy for years, now the athletes are greedy. There needs to be guardrails for college sports to work and any time the NCAA tries to place any guardrails they have the P2, athletes, and courts working against them. The hope is common sense will prevail so this all can survive/thrive in the future but we seem to be a post common sense society now.

 

[Scoe]

You gotta wing it play it by air, coaches gotta speak up.

 

[UCHuskies08]

I think there should be caps, both in terms of payments allowed to individual players and for the team as a whole. Transferring shouldn't be unlimited like it is currently, maybe you get only get one, maybe you need to be at the second school for two years, something.

 

[Fishy]

1) Repair the portal. You can transfer once for free. You get another mulligan if your coach moves on.

2) Toughen up requirements for college player agents….too many car salesmen in it now. Licensing, malpractice insurance, etc., etc. Make it harder for the assistant coach from an AAU team to become an agent.

3) Contracts need to become contracts. Right now, kids are signing NIL deals and then breaking them a week later. There’s almost no where else in business where you can sign a contract and walk away from your obligation without penalty. Put buyouts in them and enforce them….you can’t play for School B until School A is made whole.

Or, as with pro ball, if you are under contract, you cannot enter the portal.

 

[huskymedic]

That article from last month about revenue sharing made it seem like it would help any schools that don’t have football, relative to schools that do have football, including midmajors.

In today’s Mike Anthony article (separate thread) - AD Dave is quite skeptical w/ that narrative: How UConn is preparing for revenue sharing with its athletes (Mike Anthony @ Hearst)

-> The suggestion has been floated that Big East programs will be better suited to spend and remain competitive in basketball because so much of the revenue-sharing pool in power conferences will be devoted to football, which drives most everything in college sports.

“I think the whole narrative around the fact that the Big East has this massive advantage is comical, in a way,” Benedict said. “And maybe it will play out that way. At this point, I’m very skeptical of that narrative. I’m not so sure that’s not just a narrative that is helping support individuals who are actually spreading that narrative to try to make sure they don’t fall behind, versus what the realities are. Because the suggestion that a group of universities that are getting probably 10 percent of what those [power conference] institutions are getting in media value — and we’re talking about tens of millions of dollars difference — that the schools getting 10 percent of what they are, are at a financial advantage is somewhat comical to me. The realities are, you can spend more of the cap on a particular sport. Well, you’d have to have the money first to be able to spend it. So yes, there is potential based on the formula and how things work, that you would have an easier time spending direct revenue share because you don’t have the massive investment that football requires. But you still have to have the money. <-

 

[Jaydumo20]

1) Repair the portal. You can transfer once for free. You get another mulligan if your coach moves on.

2) Toughen up requirements for college player agents….too many car salesmen in it now. Licensing, malpractice insurance, etc., etc. Make it harder for the assistant coach from an AAU team to become an agent.

3) Contracts need to become contracts. Right now, kids are signing NIL deals and then breaking them a week later. There’s almost no where else in business where you can sign a contract and walk away from your obligation without penalty. Put buyouts in them and enforce them….you can’t play for School B until School A is made whole.

Or, as with pro ball, if you are under contract, you cannot enter the portal.

100% especially number 3.
A 3 star SG from a mid major, shooting 40% from 3 is now the best positioned, in any industry, to enjoy cheat code capitalism. Haaaaa

 

[Dibbie]

Even if we fix the structure of NIL I think the 4 star HS athlete is forever impacted. Rosters are too small and the top college programs won’t be able to afford to have a kid grow into his potential. Heck, we just lost a 5 star recruit and everyone here says no biggie, he wasn’t going to contribute year 1. We may see a model similar to college baseball where HS kids are going the JUCO and mid major route to grow and eventually gets the P1 & NIL payout

 

[Chin Diesel]

Employment contracts is the only sane end result.

Plenty of college kids work at the university already. Paying a college kid for labor is nothing new.

 

[Lafayette]

Employment contracts is the only sane end result.

Plenty of college kids work at the university already. Paying a college kid for labor is nothing new.

No No No... this will not pass.

To be an employee - players would have to be paid directly from the Universities. So far, scholarship has been ruled to be distinctly not direct payment. The NCAA knows this and has foiled every attempt at unionizing by playing the "they are not employees" card.

NIL supports this, since it's not the University that is paying, but the NIL collective funds.