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How close are the top 4 seeds to being locked?

The difference between which of UCLA and Uconn is the better one seed is important at this moment in time because, right now there are 2 SEC one seeds and 1 SEC two seed and that is the most likely final bracket with them being ranked as the 3,4,5 best teams in the committee's eyes and in everyone else's. That means UCLA and Uconn are the only teams that would get the SEC two seed in their bracket and the one ranked higher would not get that match-up.
I may have confused the S curve in how I’m reading this.

If you’re thinking an SEC 2-seed would be 5th or 6th overall, wouldn’t that mean neither UConn nor UCLA would face them? The overall #1 and #2 would matchup with the overall #7 an #8, wouldn’t they?

Unless you mean to suggest that the extra SEC 2 seed would be lower than an overall 5 or 6. Or that UConn or UCLA might end up as the overall 3 or 4.
 
I may have confused the S curve in how I’m reading this.

If you’re thinking an SEC 2-seed would be 5th or 6th overall, wouldn’t that mean neither UConn nor UCLA would face them? The overall #1 and #2 would matchup with the overall #7 an #8, wouldn’t they?

Unless you mean to suggest that the extra SEC 2 seed would be lower than an overall 5 or 6. Or that UConn or UCLA might end up as the overall 3 or 4.
Based on the committee rules, they will not assign two SEC teams to the same bracket if they are rated as a 1 seed and a 2 seed, so in the current situation with SC and TX as 1 seeds, and LSU as the top #2 seed, while the S curve would place LSU in a bracket with TX or SC, they would move LSU into the bracket with either UCLA or Uconn which ever is not the overall #1 seed.

Because of so many BigTen and SEC schools likely in the top 16, this years S curve is going to be dictated more by conference alignment than strict S curve.

We will see, starting tonight, just how big a problem the committee will have. With a the SEC and BigTen having the end of the season being the hardest stretch for most of the top teams. Any of the SEC top teams could have 3 losses in the next month and will look very different from today.
 
So, last night:
Louisville - played a terrible Q1 against a scorching Duke, and could not quite recover - no chance for a 1 seed now, but Duke made a case for 4 seed, with recency bias a recognized part of committee deliberation.

TX - got their revenge against LSU, solidified their 1 seeding and have, for an SEC team, a relatively easy closing stretch home to KY, at Vandy and at TN being as tough as it gets. LSU's chance of a 1 seed took a hit.

OleMs - took a hit and will need to fight for a 4 seed.

Iowa - took a hit to their chance of a 2 seed.

Vandy and TN won in unconvincing fashion (TN up by 3 in the final seconds, fouled a 3 point shooter, to go into OT!) Don't think either helped their causes (Vandy for a 2 seed, TN for a 4 seed) but they didn't hurt themselves either.

Generally a good night for WCBB with tight games with big implications for March.
 
So, last night:
Louisville - played a terrible Q1 against a scorching Duke, and could not quite recover - no chance for a 1 seed now, but Duke made a case for 4 seed, with recency bias a recognized part of committee deliberation.

TX - got their revenge against LSU, solidified their 1 seeding and have, for an SEC team, a relatively easy closing stretch home to KY, at Vandy and at TN being as tough as it gets. LSU's chance of a 1 seed took a hit.

OleMs - took a hit and will need to fight for a 4 seed.

Iowa - took a hit to their chance of a 2 seed.

Vandy and TN won in unconvincing fashion (TN up by 3 in the final seconds, fouled a 3 point shooter, to go into OT!) Don't think either helped their causes (Vandy for a 2 seed, TN for a 4 seed) but they didn't hurt themselves either.

Generally a good night for WCBB with tight games with big implications for March.
ucmiami, first let me start off by saying I am in general agreement with your assessment of rankings/seedings at this point in time. That said, I think Vandy actually DID help their cause by beating #16 Kentucky on the road. Especially with two presumptive #2 seeds (LSU and Louisville) losing.

Notwithstanding that minor quibble, I specifically agree that if the seeding and bracket were determined today, that LSU and Vandy (as #2 seeds) would be paired off in some fashion with UConn and UCLA. They would not be paired with the other two #1 seeds (S. Carolina and Texas) since all four come from the SEC. For similar reasons, Louisville and Michigan (as the other presumptive #2 seeds) would be paired with the Gamecocks and Longhorns, in either order. The NCAA bracketing guidance is very clear:
  • Each of the first four teams selected from a conference shall be placed in different regional pods if they are seeded on the first four lines.
I don't understand why Charlie Creme doesn't acknowledge this condition in his Bracketology projections, which currently show LSU in South Carolina's region. If he maintains UConn as overall #1, then he should put LSU (overall #5) in with UCLA (overall #2), and thus Vandy paired with UConn. IMO, it is a clear miss on Charlie's part.

The same issue occurs again on the #3 line. Simply put, if one accepts Charlie's identification of #3 teams, TCU has to be paired with UCLA, since all of the other three #3 seeds are Big Ten teams. The same NCAA principle above applies. This is another Charlie miss on what amounts to a simple LSAT logic problem.

Which brings us to a fascinating point of order: As long as both the SEC and the Big Ten maintain four teams in the #1, #2, or #3 seed lines, it would behoove TCU to drop to a #4 seed in order to maximize the odds of playing two miles away in the FT Worth Regional - even if it means possibly facing off against UConn in the Sweet Sixteen.

Again, good seeding/bracketing insight.
 
Upon further review, I want to correct my statement in my previous post saying that TCU has to be paired with UCLA if all presumptive #3 seeds remain as today.

In actuality, the Horned Frogs could also be placed in whatever bracket has Michigan. If Michigan is placed in the same bracket as Texas, TCU could be there as well as the #3 seed in the non-UConn FT Worth region.

Mea culpa.....
 
Vandy needs to keep winning the games they should win, a loss to TX would be OK, and a win would make them a solid 2 seed but they will have the worse SOS of any of the SEC teams in contention for the top 16 teams (worse than LSU) so any stumble against a lesser team will look bad. That is why squeaking past KY does not really enhance their claim though a loss would have hurt.

TCU/Baylor - just not buying their resumes as anything but borderline 4 seeds - signature win for TCU is West VA, signature win for Baylor is I guess Duke to open the season before Duke figured it out. They will play each other twice and that would be the signature win for either of them. They both lost to TxTech. If one wins both games and the tournament they would be a solid 4 seed and a borderline 3 seed. If they split, then the winner of the tourny would be a 4 seed.
 
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ucmiami, first let me start off by saying I am in general agreement with your assessment of rankings/seedings at this point in time. That said, I think Vandy actually DID help their cause by beating #16 Kentucky on the road. Especially with two presumptive #2 seeds (LSU and Louisville) losing.

Notwithstanding that minor quibble, I specifically agree that if the seeding and bracket were determined today, that LSU and Vandy (as #2 seeds) would be paired off in some fashion with UConn and UCLA. They would not be paired with the other two #1 seeds (S. Carolina and Texas) since all four come from the SEC. For similar reasons, Louisville and Michigan (as the other presumptive #2 seeds) would be paired with the Gamecocks and Longhorns, in either order. The NCAA bracketing guidance is very clear:
  • Each of the first four teams selected from a conference shall be placed in different regional pods if they are seeded on the first four lines.
I don't understand why Charlie Creme doesn't acknowledge this condition in his Bracketology projections, which currently show LSU in South Carolina's region. If he maintains UConn as overall #1, then he should put LSU (overall #5) in with UCLA (overall #2), and thus Vandy paired with UConn. IMO, it is a clear miss on Charlie's part.

The same issue occurs again on the #3 line. Simply put, if one accepts Charlie's identification of #3 teams, TCU has to be paired with UCLA, since all of the other three #3 seeds are Big Ten teams. The same NCAA principle above applies. This is another Charlie miss on what amounts to a simple LSAT logic problem.

Which brings us to a fascinating point of order: As long as both the SEC and the Big Ten maintain four teams in the #1, #2, or #3 seed lines, it would behoove TCU to drop to a #4 seed in order to maximize the odds of playing two miles away in the FT Worth Regional - even if it means possibly facing off against UConn in the Sweet Sixteen.

Again, good seeding/bracketing insight.
My recollection, which is admittedly vague, is that Charlie has addressed this in the past. I think he is claimed that he doesn't know all the rules about conference meetings, but creating a bracket that addresses all of those concerns is a royal pain, and not worth it for bracket that's probably going to change in a few days anyway given the twice weekly updates. I think he intends on addressing those issues in the last bracket prior to the selection committee meeting.

In addition to being a royal pain to implement, it can also lead to pain reactions that aren't fun to field. "How on earth can you place my favorite team as a three seed they obviously have a better body of work than every other three seed and better than some of the two seed so they ought to be at least a two seed". His response might be that they naturally qualify as a two seed but something's got to give due to conference makeups and it was his judgment that moving them from a 2 to a 3 was the best option to accommodate the conference meet up rules.

It's also possible I'm thinking about how I would construct brackets if I had to do them twice a week, but it might be worth getting some clarification from him figure out whether he's not incorporating it because he blundered or whether he is not incorporating it because he doesn't plan to deal with that until the end. He might argue that he's prepared to address any questions about seeding levels in terms of strength but not the movements necessary for conference makeup rules.
 
You heard it here. The top four is a lock. Texas' beat down of LSU confirmed the seeds. If they beat up on each other, somebody gets a 'good' loss which will not harm them with the NCAA committee. The only question is who has to be the #4 seed and face UConn in the Semis.
 
So a bad loss hurts and undefeated team but a bad loss doesn’t impact ucla?
UCLA has played a schedule way more difficult than UConn and will from her out too. Any team that loses won't be a lock depending on who they lose to and who doesn't lose. If UConn does lose a game in the weakest conference in the country they don't deserve to be ranked as a 1 seed. Good news is they have zero chance of losing a game unless they have something really weird happen to their roster, like all the players have a contagious illness and aren't allowed to play.
 
UCLA has played a schedule way more difficult than UConn and will from her out too. Any team that loses won't be a lock depending on who they lose to and who doesn't lose. If UConn does lose a game in the weakest conference in the country they don't deserve to be ranked as a 1 seed. Good news is they have zero chance of losing a game unless they have something really weird happen to their roster, like all the players have a contagious illness and aren't allowed to play.
On what planet does UConn possibly lose one of their remaining conference games. Beyond that, the Big East is hardly “the weakest conference in the country.” After the P4 conferences, the BE is competitive with any other conference in the nation.
 
My recollection, which is admittedly vague, is that Charlie has addressed this in the past. I think he is claimed that he doesn't know all the rules about conference meetings, but creating a bracket that addresses all of those concerns is a royal pain, and not worth it for bracket that's probably going to change in a few days anyway given the twice weekly updates. I think he intends on addressing those issues in the last bracket prior to the selection committee meeting.

In addition to being a royal pain to implement, it can also lead to pain reactions that aren't fun to field. "How on earth can you place my favorite team as a three seed they obviously have a better body of work than every other three seed and better than some of the two seed so they ought to be at least a two seed". His response might be that they naturally qualify as a two seed but something's got to give due to conference makeups and it was his judgment that moving them from a 2 to a 3 was the best option to accommodate the conference meet up rules.

It's also possible I'm thinking about how I would construct brackets if I had to do them twice a week, but it might be worth getting some clarification from him figure out whether he's not incorporating it because he blundered or whether he is not incorporating it because he doesn't plan to deal with that until the end. He might argue that he's prepared to address any questions about seeding levels in terms of strength but not the movements necessary for conference makeup rules.
Phil, interesting take on what Charlie might be thinking.

From my perch, I would respectfully disagree with just about everything you offer as his intentions and/or plausible motives leading up to Selection Sunday.

Several reasons behind my disagreement: First, Charlie and ESPN made the decision to go to twice a week updates starting in early January - the first time he/they have ever taken this step so far out from Selection Sunday. Why? IMO, this was simply done to stimulate interest. The WBB community is the fickle mistress he is married to, and losing interest would lead to divorce.

Second, I suspect as more people in a growing WCBB community voice their reactions to him, the better his job security is with the ESPN folks. In the current landscape, Charlie's Bracketology competes with Autumn Johnson's projections, and Autumn Johnson's projections are endorsed on the NCAA WBB site. Said differently, I suspect Charlie WANTS to hear any reactions - so he can react accordingly to generate more clicks. More controversy, more interest, more clicks.

Third, at this point it appears that Charlie is primarily interested in speaking to where different teams reside on their respective seeding line. Placement in brackets, as evidenced by his last few updates, is not his focus. Once the First Reveal of the Top 16 teams is announced, he will immediately restructure his Bracketology to reflect what committee reveals. And he will then readjust again for the Second Reveal as well. This has been his MO since the beginning of Bracketology.

Regarding his last Bracketology, Charlie has been part of the ESPN crew presenting Selection Sunday since pre-COVID. How he assesses his final projection at the end of the show gives us a lot of insight as to what his limitations are. First and foremost, he evaluates his final Bracketology based on the number of teams he has correctly identified in the final 68 teams selected. Second, and to a much lesser extent, he also will also evaluate himself on whether he nailed the seeding lines. But he does NOT assess his placement of teams in the respective brackets.

But my contention is that he should. Bracket placement is where most of the controversy will come from.

I base this on the outcry from discontented head coaches over the past decade as reported in the media. It falls largely into two buckets. The first bucket of discontent is whether a team should have been placed in the top 16, thereby hosting and enjoying the home field advantage for the first two rounds, and putting them in the catbird seat to play in a Sweet Sixteen game. Fortunately, the advent of the "committee reveals" has greatly reduced the amount of this disgruntlement to the point where it is mostly from HCs and fans of the four teams assigned a 5 seed.

The bigger discontent is from the programs that get in a snit about their road to the Sweet Sixteen, Elite Eight and Final Four. Not just who is in their side of the regional bracket, but how far they must travel to play in the first and second weekends.

So placement in a bracket is extremely important to a large part of the WCBB community. Given the strength of the Top 4-6 programs this year, coupled with having two conferences dominating the Top 16, I would contend it as important - if not more important - than a team's seeding line. Hence, I think Charlie should be factoring bracket placement into his biweekly updates. Failure to do so is a "miss", despite having six weeks to go until Selection Sunday.

I believe Charlie and the ESPN team read the Boneyard from time to time to get a pulse check on various teams as well as items of interest in WCBB. Hopefully he/they reads this post and adjusts accordingly. It will not only generate more controversy and more clicks, but also elevate his professional prestige. Certainly in my eyes.

Go Huskies!
 
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For @EricSD and @Bone Dog I will qualify I AM ANTI CORI CLOSE. Why? Let's see, just off the top of my head, yes, she recruits well BUT her teams never improve over the course of the season, so what you see in November seems to be what you get in March. She has proven time and again in marquee, season ending games, not to know now to coach in crucial minutes, adjust to the opposing team or elevate her teams offensive schemes.

She's too "rah-rah" for my liking and always thinks HER PLAYERS are the best over everyone (remember the BEST Backcourt claim from two years ago?) Or the one earlier this year about Lauren being the best player in the country? Why all of a sudden did she incur such a huge roster turnover last year of recruits and upper classman? this years squad has 8 seniors and currently only goes 7 players deep. She only has 12 players on the roster so she needs to hit the portal hard. Name me a player she actually developed over their time in Westwood? Rice has underachieved as the form #2 player in the class. Betts got more playing time at UCLA than at Stanford but her jumper and passing are still suspect. Prior to this set of players, she had Michaela Onyenwere who didn't improve during her time either.

So, no offensive scheme, questionable defense, no development during the year, no roster depth, no personal development in the program over their time spent.

Did that cover it for you?
With the Portal Transfer players coming into UCLA this past year..IMHO.. This is
the year for the Bruins to be in the Championship Game.
I trust it will be the same as Last Year... a loss to the Huskies.
But those 8 players for the Bruins do make a formidable
group. Cori did not have to " develop" the talents of those
transfers, but she surely does have to steer the ship to what
they hope is the Promised Land. I have a clear recollection of
Lauren Betts on the UCLA bench at the end of last years
Semi-Final game.... Not A Happy Camper.
 
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UCLA has played a schedule way more difficult than UConn and will from her out too. Any team that loses won't be a lock depending on who they lose to and who doesn't lose. If UConn does lose a game in the weakest conference in the country they don't deserve to be ranked as a 1 seed. Good news is they have zero chance of losing a game unless they have something really weird happen to their roster, like all the players have a contagious illness and aren't allowed to play.
This is all true, but historically just does not happen. A UConn team with 0-1 losses will usually be the #1 team despite conference affiliation.

This UConn team will be unbeaten, riding a 50 game win streak, and defending ncaa champ, and unanimous polls #1. Just cannot see from historical vantage having UCLA with a loss being ranked above.

If it happens, just shake your head, move on and beat teams in front of you.
 
UCLA has played a schedule way more difficult than UConn and will from her out too. Any team that loses won't be a lock depending on who they lose to and who doesn't lose. If UConn does lose a game in the weakest conference in the country they don't deserve to be ranked as a 1 seed. Good news is they have zero chance of losing a game unless they have something really weird happen to their roster, like all the players have a contagious illness and aren't allowed to play.
Beg to differ:
  • (a) The Big East is the 5th best conference &1 out of 31 conferences, just behind the P4 conferences;
  • (b) UCLA’s schedule is not “way better than” UConn’s; the schedules are just about the same &2 — certainly not a deciding factor to flip UConn and UCLA;
  • (c) I am with BBallF re: UConn v. UCLA.
&1 Per the NCAA Dashboard at 2/2/2026 (appended to the 68-team ESPN Bracketology at 2/3/2016) (here)):
  • There are 5 multi-bid conferences: Big Ten (12), SEC (11), ACC (9), Big 12 (8) and the Big East (2);
  • The Big East has two teams (Overall Seed, NET) projected to be in the NCAAT: UConn (1,1) and Villanova (37,40). Seton (78,52) just missed the projected NCAAT field;
  • 26 Conferences have one bids, the highest seeded of the bids is North Dakota St. (41, 39) from the Summit League.
&2 Per Torvik’s &3 database against the Top 68 teams (minimum of 5 games) (here):
  • With 13 games against the Top 68 each, UConn (13-0) and UCLA (12-1) are ranked 2 and 1 in WAB: UConn (8.4) is ranked 2nd to UCLA (9.8);
  • But UCLA did lose, a mark against hypothesis testing that UCLA is the #1 overall seed;
  • UConn’s zero loses and the 2nd best Top 68 WAB means, at worst that the hypothesis of UConn being the #1 overall seed cannot be rejected.
&2 Then there is the matter of the non-conference SOS (ONETSOS) in the NCAA database &1:
  • UConn’s ONETSOS is ranked 1; UCLA’s ONETSOS is ranked 12.
  • In other words, in the voluntary/ optional part of the schedule, UConn is ahead of UCLA;
  • In addition, UConn’s Opponent NET (OppNET) is 84 (Rank 5) to UCLA’s 76 (Rank 2);
  • The inference here is that UConn shouldn’t have any overriding penalty due to its schedule, because the differences are slight and not by choice.
&3 NET and Torvik (T-Rank/Barthag) are similar at the end of the season. Torvik’s T-rank/ Barthag and WAB (originated by Torvik) are included in the NCAAT team sheets.
 
So Sunday's games in the books for the top teams:
SC absolutely blitzed TN in the second half 46-18 to win by 43. Not a good look for TN in their bid for a 4 seed - 2 losses by a combined 73, with another loss and an OT win against two unranked teams.

UCLA held serve against Michigan in a game that was close the whole way - same 3 point MOV that Uconn had. This probably doesn't hurt Michigan much as a 2 seed.

TCU lost to Colorado and is now fighting for a 4 seed I think - up by 2 with 5 seconds left, they foul on a drive to the basket with less than a second left for a 3 point play and the loss.

Otherwise no surprises.
 
Well ... the answer to the OP is clearly not everything is locked up based on tonight!

Vandy just beat TX at home by 16, meaning TX isn't looking all that secure as the 4th #1 seed, while Vandy just keeps winning. They had a crap OOC, but they have now beaten TX, LSU, Michigan, OK, and KY. Interestingly all but KY were home games. They have two losses, at SC by 29, and home to OleMs, but I did not expect them to breeze to the finish line. They are up to 5-2 in Quad 1 (maybe more, haven't checked), and it looks like a three way race for the 4th one seed between LSU, TX, and Vandy.

Elsewhere - no idea why Baylor got up to 12/11 in the AP/coaches polls - they have lost all their games against currently ranked teams and had an SOS of 29, and they lost to TCU at home by 16 tonight.

Saturday we get SC at LSU, and then a full slate of meaningful names on Sunday.
 
Well ... the answer to the OP is clearly not everything is locked up based on tonight!

Vandy just beat TX at home by 16, meaning TX isn't looking all that secure as the 4th #1 seed, while Vandy just keeps winning. They had a crap OOC, but they have now beaten TX, LSU, Michigan, OK, and KY. Interestingly all but KY were home games. They have two losses, at SC by 29, and home to OleMs, but I did not expect them to breeze to the finish line. They are up to 5-2 in Quad 1 (maybe more, haven't checked), and it looks like a three way race for the 4th one seed between LSU, TX, and Vandy.

Elsewhere - no idea why Baylor got up to 12/11 in the AP/coaches polls - they have lost all their games against currently ranked teams and had an SOS of 29, and they lost to TCU at home by 16 tonight.

Saturday we get SC at LSU, and then a full slate of meaningful names on Sunday.

UCLA and UCONN appear to have theirs locked up.

Right now, IMO, Vandy is fully in the #1 seed race with their win over Texas. If LSU beats South Carolina this weekend, they also enter the conversation. SEC is an absolute bloodbath with potentially 4 teams competing for 2 number one seeds. I'm guessing the dust wont settle here until after the SEC tournament, and even then it could be a compelling race.

Louisville is out of the conversation after losing to Duke. Michigan and Ohio State are long shots, but if either wins out in B1G play and upsets UCLA in the Big Ten tournament, they could have an interesting case depending on what happens in the SEC.
 
UCLA and UCONN appear to have theirs locked up.

Right now, IMO, Vandy is fully in the #1 seed race with their win over Texas. If LSU beats South Carolina this weekend, they also enter the conversation. SEC is an absolute bloodbath with potentially 4 teams competing for 2 number one seeds. I'm guessing the dust wont settle here until after the SEC tournament, and even then it could be a compelling race.

Louisville is out of the conversation after losing to Duke. Michigan and Ohio State are long shots, but if either wins out in B1G play and upsets UCLA in the Big Ten tournament, they could have an interesting case depending on what happens in the SEC.
Looking like UCONN, UCLA and 2 from SEC. Maybe the two in the SEC Championship game in a couple of weeks.
 
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And here you go:

 
No offense to Vanderbilt. But if they are the 4th one seed. Being the number one overall seed becomes pretty important.

You can get to the national championship game with your top obstacle being Vanderbilt? Wow!
 
No offense to Vanderbilt. But if they are the 4th one seed. Being the number one overall seed becomes pretty important.

You can get to the national championship game with your top obstacle being Vanderbilt? Wow!
Yes, that was my initial impression. But after watching Vandy take apart TX and listening to Shea’s postgame comments, many of which are right out of Geno’s playbook, I certainly wouldn’t sleep on Vandy in the national semifinals.
 
Yes, that was my initial impression. But after watching Vandy take apart TX and listening to Shea’s postgame comments, many of which are right out of Geno’s playbook, I certainly wouldn’t sleep on Vandy in the national semifinals.
I am not saying they are not good. But I am saying for a spot in the national championship game; UConn would love to see them.
 
I am not saying they are not good. But I am saying for a spot in the national championship game; UConn would love to see them.
Maybe. I think I’d rather see UCLA and their big, slow team, coached by underachieving Cory Close in the national semifinals than the hot new team coached by the best young coach in WBB.
 
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Elsewhere - no idea why Baylor got up to 12/11 in the AP/coaches polls - they have lost all their games against currently ranked teams and had an SOS of 29, and they lost to TCU at home by 16 tonight.
The simplest explanation (I'm a big fan of Occam's razor) is that the AP voters don't know what they are doing. I see multiple examples of rankings or movements that don't make sense based on the facts. LSU and Duke are the examples I've noticed but I'll start paying attention to Baylor.

Massey has Baylor ranked 19 a fair way below the AP ranking of 12

Baylor lost to Iowa. Highly expected as the 19th -ranked team but close to a pick 'em if they were truly the 12th
Baylor lost to Texas which was likely no matter whether they were 12 or 19 but they lost by 35 which is easier to believe if they are number 19
Baylor lost to Texas Tech with a 27 ranking in Massey. That was a one point win so a minor upset they deserve to be 19, head scratching upset if they deserve to be number 12
Baylor lost to West Virginia with a 17 ranking in Massey. That's an upset if they are a 12 but expected if they are in 19.
Baylor loss to TCU with a 14 ranking in Massey. That's an upset if they are a 12 but expected if they are 19.

In other words, if you accept the Massey ranking of 19 almost all of those losses make a lot of sense and only one, a one point upset, seems out of character. If you think they are 12 seed there are a whole lot of losses that don't make much sense.

Maybe they truly deserve to be at 20 or a 22, there is no way to definitively say where they are, but 12 is a major stretch.
 
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Looking at Baylor's AP location over time:
They started with the preseason ranking of 16.
They opened with a good win over highly ranked Duke which propelled them up to number seven.
Then they played nobody until Iowa which was a loss.
They also escaped a potential bad loss by winning it over time against Davidson. They did drop to 15 in the poll but my oversimplified guess is the voters punish them for the loss to Iowa but ignored the close call against Davidson. That should've been a wake-up call.
Then they played nobody until they played Texas. The voters didn't so much move Baylor up as move other teams down past them, so they are over ranked but easing up in the rankings when they beat nobodies.
Then they got into conference play, with opponents in the 28 to 50 range, all resulting in wins but these are teams they should beat if the ranked 19th, but the voters move them up because they are winning even though they are games they ought to win and they get back up into the 12-15 range.
Recently they moved up again, Not because the winds were against good teams but because those ranked near them were playing tougher teams and losing.

They are now 21 – 5, and they have exactly one win against teams deserving to be in the top 25 and that's the opening game which ought to be partially discounted.
The next best win is Iowa State which seemed impressive at one time but now doesn't look so hot.
 
Looking at Baylor's AP location over time:
They started with the preseason ranking of 16.
They opened with a good win over highly ranked Duke which propelled them up to number seven.
Then they played nobody until Iowa which was a loss.
They also escaped a potential bad loss by winning it over time against Davidson. They did drop to 15 in the poll but my oversimplified guess is the voters punish them for the loss to Iowa but ignored the close call against Davidson. That should've been a wake-up call.
Then they played nobody until they played Texas. The voters didn't so much move Baylor up as move other teams down past them, so they are over ranked but easing up in the rankings when they beat nobodies.
Then they got into conference play, with opponents in the 28 to 50 range, all resulting in wins but these are teams they should beat if the ranked 19th, but the voters move them up because they are winning even though they are games they ought to win and they get back up into the 12-15 range.
Recently they moved up again, Not because the winds were against good teams but because those ranked near them were playing tougher teams and losing.

They are now 21 – 5, and they have exactly one win against teams deserving to be in the top 25 and that's the opening game which ought to be partially discounted.
The next best win is Iowa State which seemed impressive at one time but now doesn't look so hot.
That was my thinking - easy to explain their losses as a 20 ranking, but the Duke game is against a team on its way out of the top 25 at the start of the season, and the same is true for Iowa State. And beyond that, they have the resume of an 'also receiving votes' team. No win against a currently ranked team except Duke on Nov 3 last year.

And you left out a loss to WV rank #22 on Feb 1st by 10. Anyhow - yeah the voters are not to be trusted.

And while TCU had a long unbeaten run, their signature win was against NCSt at the start of the season who is currently unranked and had recently lost to USC (currently unranked) and was about to lose to RI (never ranked.) The Baylor game was the first ranked win for them which likely means they will now move up to #12 in the voters minds.
 
Yes, that was my initial impression. But after watching Vandy take apart TX and listening to Shea’s postgame comments, many of which are right out of Geno’s playbook, I certainly wouldn’t sleep on Vandy in the national semifinals.
If you haven't seen Shea's TX post game interview, along side her 2 stars (a FR and a SOPH) it is worth going to you tube and watching. All three of them were very polished and articulate, probably the best post game interview that I have seen.
It sure doesn't seem like Shea will have any interest in the UCONN job when it opens up. She's building something special at a SEC school with all the tools she learned in her days at Storrs.
 
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