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I don't think Hoiberg can consistently get the talent to win championships at Iowa St. At UCONN we have NYC, Boston, Baltimore, DC and the New England preps to search for talent. He needs Jucos to have a chance. Not an ideal job other than its his alma mater.

I think he knows it will be tough to keep up and he's valuable right now.
 
Kembacity said:
But still, Donovan was coaching Florida for a while, won 2 championships in a row, Hoiberg has not done much. I'd say Donovan is going to be remembered in Florida but if Freddy jumps to the NBA I'd say he will be forgotten by the Iowa St family pretty quickly, as a coach that is.
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I agree to an extent, ISU will fondly remember him for his playing days at least.

But back to the previous, I was agreeing and just saying Donovan fits the mold of the 55 year old coach going to the NBA after sustained college success, even if he is still only 49, bc of how long he has been a D1 head coach.
 
Dude can't even get past the Elite Eight in college. But if he's gettinf NBA money, can you blame him? I'm sure ISU fans can at least, they're basically P5's VCU
 
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aceboon said:
He's been there since 2010 and had to rebuild from the bottom, was he supposed to be reaching Final 4s right off the bat?
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No but you figure he'd have done more before being offered an NBA job
 
I think this will be sort of a sowing of wild oats thing, and at some point you will see Hoighberg back in Ames.
 
Rocktheworld said:
No but you figure he'd have done more before being offered an NBA job
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Ollie was getting offers after one season with no ncaa results. It doesn't always have to do with performance.

Both guys are smart, well-regarded former professionals who've displayed coaching acumen. That's all you really need.
 
Rocktheworld said:
No but you figure he'd have done more before being offered an NBA job
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Hoiberg was a former NBA player, worked in an NBA front office, and like KO was well liked around the league and considered an NBA coach in waiting. The fact that he took a program that was in the dumps and had them competing for B12 regular season titles, won back to back conf tourney titles, all while showing a good feel for player development within an NBA offensive system made him a no brainer for an NBA job.
 
I don't have a problem with Paxson and Gar Forman getting rid of Thibodeau but they have proven once again how unprofessional they are.
 
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Assuming Hoiberg leaves to coach in the NBA/Bulls next week...the question becomes will Monte Morris & Georges Niang play out their careers at ISU or transfer out????? Good chance they stay with their surrounding pieces but no guarantee. Hoiberg and Ollie are both self made hard working guys that remind me of each other to a certain degree. I wonder if there will be any personnel fall out if Fred H. leaves. Interesting...I'm just not sure.
 
Nba has done a great job repairing their image. I don't think donovan or hoiberg leave college ball if it were 10-15 yeas ago
 
BLUEDOGHOUSE said:
Assuming Hoiberg leaves to coach in the NBA/Bulls next week...the question becomes will Monte Morris & Georges Niang play out their careers at ISU or transfer out????? Good chance they stay with their surrounding pieces but no guarantee. Hoiberg and Ollie are both self made hard working guys that remind me of each other to a certain degree. I wonder if there will be any personnel fall out if Fred H. leaves. Interesting...I'm just not sure.
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They'd have to sit, no? I can't imagine they would transfer out.
 
champs99and04 said:
They'd have to sit, no? I can't imagine they would transfer out.
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Yep...they have to sit. Not much to go by as it relates to draft prospects so just using DX (below).

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/

You have to think if its TJ they stay. If they go outside which most indications are they won't ... then you may see 1 or both bolt. You would have to think the players in this unique situation will have some input because ISU is primed for a very good season without FH. If MM or GN ever split ISU would be a fringe top25 team and next year could be a bubble team/NIT without MM.

Do you think either might benefit from a transfer for draft status purposes? I just don't know. :(
 
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Hoiberg runs one of the best offensive systems in the NCAAs, one that would be fun to watch in the NBA. I'm not a huge fan of the way he coaches defense though.
 
If the Cavs keep all their pieces together that team will be in the finals the next 2-3 years.

Thibodeau must be impossible to deal with. If the players and the organization hate him maybe it is on him. He's a great coach, but he can only be in small doses.
 
JSM1970 said:
If the Cavs keep all their pieces together that team will be in the finals the next 2-3 years.

Thibodeau must be impossible to deal with. If the players and the organization hate him maybe it is on him. He's a great coach, but he can only be in small doses.
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The dude's almost 60 and by his own admission has no semblance of a personal life - i.e. wife, kids, etc. - because he thinks that there's no room for that in his life as a coach. He lives in a hotel a couple blocks from the Bulls' facility and by all accounts lives his job 24 hours a day. I would imagine that can be grating. Hell of a coach though.
 
Thibodeau didn't work out well long term, I didnt like the fact that the Bulls leaked out info to the press about Thibodeau being fired while the playoffs were going on and they were the favorites in the East.
 
Hoiberg is good and all, I'm just not bullish on the long term future of that bulls roster. I would consider blowing it up with the way Noah hobbled to the finish. There would be takers for Noah, a vet/locker room presence guy perhaps off the bench for a contender ( gsw?), but not so sure about rose. As for thibs, he'll sit out and collect that massive bulls check, then return in a year to coach...I think he would be awesome on minny as well as a new look laker team
 
James said:
Hoiberg is good and all, I'm just not bullish on the long term future of that bulls roster. I would consider blowing it up with the way Noah hobbled to the finish. There would be takers for Noah, a vet/locker room presence guy perhaps off the bench for a contender ( gsw?), but not so sure about rose. As for thibs, he'll sit out and collect that massive bulls check, then return in a year to coach...I think he would be awesome on minny as well as a new look laker team
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You really want to cast Noah off one year removed from being first team all-NBA? I figured he was just hurt last year.
 
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champs99and04 said:
You really want to cast Noah off one year removed from being first team all-NBA? I figured he was just hurt last year.
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That would be something else if he turned it around, but I still would ttake 6-7 east teams rosters going forward over them. Mirotic, Butler... pau turns 35 in july. Can't rely on rose , hasn't been consistent since coming back from injuries. needs a ton of rest to be effective. And with butler who knows how long he'll be there/ what kind of contract the bulls match this offseason... a lot of their long term upside hinges on snell and mcdermott improvement.
 
champs99and04 said:
You really want to cast Noah off one year removed from being first team all-NBA? I figured he was just hurt last year.
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The word is that the knee he had operated on recently has been reduced to a bone on bone condition, you'te not getting any takers from him with that situation. I wouldn't expect his play to dramatically improve either, they're probably going to have to manage and monitor his minutes.
 
I don't know what the situation was with the Nuggets trade and if the Bulls specifically picked the players the Nuggets wanted or if it was finalized afterwards, but the Bulls would have been better off with Jusuf Nurkic and Gary Harris instead of McDermott. No idea what Harris eventually turns into, but Nurkic is a starting C in the league, they would have had a replacement for Noah and their frontcourt of the future with Mirotic and Nurkic.
 
rashadamel313 said:
Which 6? Washington, Milwaukee, Cleveland...I count 3. And Was/Chi is pretty close in my mind. Maybe Detroit on this strength of Drummond's future.
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as far as assets and flexibility, boston + atl . so maybe just 5
 
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