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at 2:30 our time....against Australia [no Cambage?] on NBC Sports TV.

Bet they come out angry at themselves after prior loss.
 
It’s unfortunate that she won’t be playing, however, her mental health is definitely more important than any competition. I’m not sure what the physical and verbal altercation was and I doubt we get a full story about it, but that has no place in basketball. I have to say I actually like Cambage. She’s at the very least entertaining to me and I respect that she calls out some behavior (e.g. inequitable reffing, inappropriate comments made towards her, etc.) that doesn’t belong in basketball or anywhere, too.
 
There are people that have real mental health issues and those that use it as an excuse. Looking forward to her magical recovery after the Olympics with the Aces.
 
Millenial23 said:
I totally respect mental health issues... that said, does anyone else dislike Cambage and think her a drama queen?
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eebmg said:
There are people that have real mental health issues and those that use it as an excuse. Looking forward to her magical recovery after the Olympics with the Aces.
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I get the skepticism and people can dislike her for whatever reasons work for them. Is it not possible that the environment in Las Vegas has the support she's looking for which makes it easier for her to manage things?

Why is it that people are assuming this is an excuse and she's using it as a crutch? People dealing with mental issues display their behaviours differently.

I'm probably chafing at this more because I've dealt with this personally when my daughter was young. She was labelled as disruptive, spoiled and had an attitude. I spent more time in school offices and counsellors than I care to remember. She was classified as exceptional but no one could explain why she acted the way she did. Fortunately getting her into sports helped with some of it, but it never fully answered everything.

It turned out after an assessment was completed when she was in Grade 11 that she was ADHD. This helped us understand why she behaved in certain ways. Fortunately, it never came down to her requiring medication (which Cambage notes she's using currently) and we learned techniques on how to manage, communicate in a way she better understood and techniques that help her remain focused. The last couple years before she left for university you could see an significant change which left her better prepared for the transition.

It is totally possible that Cambage could be picking and choosing when to say mental health issues are the reason. I do agree with accountability and if she was out of line during this altercation, there should be consequences. However, I also believe because we don't know the whole story, nor ever will, don't make a rash judgement just because you're not a fan of hers. If you don't like her fine, but it doesn't discount something could be going on.
 
cancontent said:
I get the skepticism and people can dislike her for whatever reasons work for them. Is it not possible that the environment in Las Vegas has the support she's looking for which makes it easier for her to manage things?

Why is it that people are assuming this is an excuse and she's using it as a crutch? People dealing with mental issues display their behaviours differently.

I'm probably chafing at this more because I've dealt with this personally when my daughter was young. She was labelled as disruptive, spoiled and had an attitude. I spent more time in school offices and counsellors than I care to remember. She was classified as exceptional but no one could explain why she acted the way she did. Fortunately getting her into sports helped with some of it, but it never fully answered everything.

It turned out after an assessment was completed when she was in Grade 11 that she was ADHD. This helped us understand why she behaved in certain ways. Fortunately, it never came down to her requiring medication (which Cambage notes she's using currently) and we learned techniques on how to manage, communicate in a way she better understood and techniques that help her remain focused. The last couple years before she left for university you could see an significant change which left her better prepared for the transition.

It is totally possible that Cambage could be picking and choosing when to say mental health issues are the reason. I do agree with accountability and if she was out of line during this altercation, there should be consequences. However, I also believe because we don't know the whole story, nor ever will, don't make a rash judgement just because you're not a fan of hers. If you don't like her fine, but it doesn't discount something could be going on.
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All I can say is that if she has diagnosable mental issues, I think she should (would?) have been removed from the Olympic Environment once it became clear that the quarantine environment in Japan was going to be incredibly strict and stressful.
 
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cancontent said:
I get the skepticism and people can dislike her for whatever reasons work for them. Is it not possible that the environment in Las Vegas has the support she's looking for which makes it easier for her to manage things?

Why is it that people are assuming this is an excuse and she's using it as a crutch? People dealing with mental issues display their behaviours differently.

I'm probably chafing at this more because I've dealt with this personally when my daughter was young. She was labelled as disruptive, spoiled and had an attitude. I spent more time in school offices and counsellors than I care to remember. She was classified as exceptional but no one could explain why she acted the way she did. Fortunately getting her into sports helped with some of it, but it never fully answered everything.

It turned out after an assessment was completed when she was in Grade 11 that she was ADHD. This helped us understand why she behaved in certain ways. Fortunately, it never came down to her requiring medication (which Cambage notes she's using currently) and we learned techniques on how to manage, communicate in a way she better understood and techniques that help her remain focused. The last couple years before she left for university you could see an significant change which left her better prepared for the transition.

It is totally possible that Cambage could be picking and choosing when to say mental health issues are the reason. I do agree with accountability and if she was out of line during this altercation, there should be consequences. However, I also believe because we don't know the whole story, nor ever will, don't make a rash judgement just because you're not a fan of hers. If you don't like her fine, but it doesn't discount something could be going on.
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My story is similar to yours, only I was the ADD student. In junior HS.
School suggested medication.
Single Mom said Hell No!
Got heavily involved in school sports which leveled me out.
All year round plus summer practice.
Burned up my xtra energy plus taught me teamwork concepts and personal discipline.
Thanks Mom.
 
eebmg said:
All I can say is that if she has diagnosable mental issues, I think she should (would?) have been removed from the Olympic Environment once it became clear that the quarantine environment in Japan was going to be incredibly strict and stressful.
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That's fair. At the same time, it's possible she thought she could manage it and now realized that she can't. I liken to the Griner situation last year when she left the Wubble for her own mental well being.

Regarding the "if she has diagnosable mental issues", I don't think you have to be diagnosed with an issue to have trepidations about being in a bubble or an isolated environment. This could apply to more than just these bubbles. Any type of confinement / restrictions affect people in different ways regardless of their mental health.
 
cancontent said:
I get the skepticism and people can dislike her for whatever reasons work for them. Is it not possible that the environment in Las Vegas has the support she's looking for which makes it easier for her to manage things?

Why is it that people are assuming this is an excuse and she's using it as a crutch? People dealing with mental issues display their behaviours differently.

I'm probably chafing at this more because I've dealt with this personally when my daughter was young. She was labelled as disruptive, spoiled and had an attitude. I spent more time in school offices and counsellors than I care to remember. She was classified as exceptional but no one could explain why she acted the way she did. Fortunately getting her into sports helped with some of it, but it never fully answered everything.

It turned out after an assessment was completed when she was in Grade 11 that she was ADHD. This helped us understand why she behaved in certain ways. Fortunately, it never came down to her requiring medication (which Cambage notes she's using currently) and we learned techniques on how to manage, communicate in a way she better understood and techniques that help her remain focused. The last couple years before she left for university you could see an significant change which left her better prepared for the transition.

It is totally possible that Cambage could be picking and choosing when to say mental health issues are the reason. I do agree with accountability and if she was out of line during this altercation, there should be consequences. However, I also believe because we don't know the whole story, nor ever will, don't make a rash judgement just because you're not a fan of hers. If you don't like her fine, but it doesn't discount something could be going on.
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Are you British?
 
It absolutely could be real issues, i didn't mean that she didn't. I think her personality just rubs me the wrong way. Apologies that my post was a bit insensitive - should have kept it to myself - and sorry for hijacking the thread! looking forward to the olympics! Go team USA!
 
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Millenial23 said:
It absolutely could be real issues, i didn't mean that she didn't. I think her personality just rubs me the wrong way. Apologies that my post was a bit insensitive - should have kept it to myself - and sorry for hijacking the thread! looking forward to the olympics! Go team USA!
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We're all human. It's no different than some loving Geno and others thinking he's the Darth Vader of NCAAW. I think this is a good discussion to have regardless.
 
CL82 said:
It was the phrase "left for university" that drew my attention.
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Yes, university is said more than college usually, although I've always wondered why this isn't the case in the US.

Edit - and full disclosure, being a first generation Canadian of parents raised in West Indies, the British influence carries over a fair bit.
 
In France "College" is middle school. When I talk about college sports, being huge in the US to French people who don't spend a lot of time in the US, the look on their face is hysterical.
 
Husker Husky said:
In France "College" is middle school. When I talk about college sports, being huge in the US to French people who don't spend a lot of time in the US, the look on their face is hysterical.
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Interesting that you bring up the French. The province of Quebec has a different schooling system than the rest of the country, where students go to "College" for 2 years, before moving onto university.

This confuses people when looking at prospects because they have the option to accept a scholarship for a NCAA program two years later than others born the same year as them. And the confusion isn't only in the US. Many in Canada forget about this system when trying to figure out when a QC kid could graduate. :confused:
 
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USA lost second straight exhibition....just like our men did.
Led by 13 mid 3rd quarter....lost 70-67.
We did not look sharp for long stretches of the game.

Tokyo? "Concerned" not "worried".

Do not know if there are any more exhibition games...I think we start play in about 10 days...Nigeria?
 
Blakeon18 said:
USA lost second straight exhibition....just like our men did.
Led by 13 mid 3rd quarter....lost 70-67.
We did not look sharp for long stretches of the game.

Tokyo? "Concerned" not "worried".

Do not know if there are any more exhibition games...I think we start play in about 10 days...Nigeria?
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Must be the coaches on both teams. :rolleyes:
 
I'm a little concerned. The rest of the world has narrowed the gap, but we shouldn't blow a 13-point lead.
 
MilfordHusky said:
I'm a little concerned. The rest of the world has narrowed the gap, but we shouldn't blow a 13-point lead.
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eebmg said:
Here is the box score. Only look at it if you want to go to the bathroom. :confused::confused::oops::oops:

USA Basketball - 2021 USA Women's National Team vs. Australia
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Only Aja Wilson had a good shooting stat line (5-5) but unbelievably, Dawn played her only 15 minutes.

If Geno thinks his team cant shoot 3's, he should take a gander at our National team (2-18). The only 2 being Stewie. I think every team has their game plan ready.
 
Posted this in the other thread:

Clearly Dawn didn't coach this game like she would have were it an Olympic contest but she has some lineup issues to figure out. Opponents are going to spread Team USA out like Australia did today which is going to limit the effectiveness of all those bigs. The offense was bogged down by too many forced passes inside, poor perimeter shooting and a lack of movement on offense. This is not 2016. To bring up Richard Cohen's point, the 3 position remains a hole that needs to be filled. There's no Maya Moore walking through the door.

Still, no need to panic. Diana will help and the team will shoot better than it did today. It's just not going to look as pretty as it has in other years.
 
I think Bird had more turnovers than points. The team played the second half like it was an exhibition. I think Staley was trying different lineups to see who played best together.
 
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This game was telling on many levels. First off, without that "Badass", meaning Diana, we really do not have that person on the floor that will take over. Stewie tried. She gave it everything she had out there. But DT is that person we miss. She is the heart. The engine. We are going to need someone that is going to be that spark. That "Badass". Secondly, I get that it was an exhibition game. But to the world, this was an opening an opportunity. Sure we will dominate a lot of teams down the road. But teams like Spain, France, and Canada, they could give us a good run if we are not locked in and focused. I am pretty sure that the team will bounce back.
 
I didn't watch the game. How did the other guards play? Who was on the floor for most of Q3 when Team USA gave the lead back to Australia? Obviously a concern. Did Geno ever lose a game when he was the US Olympic Head Coach??? Maybe Dawn didn't pay close enough attention to the Master when he ran Team USA for 2 consecutive Olympic cycles...

Matt Leblanc Reaction GIF
 
EricLA said:
I didn't watch the game. How did the other guards play? Who was on the floor for most of Q3 when Team USA gave the lead back to Australia? Obviously a concern. Did Geno ever lose a game when he was the US Olympic Head Coach??? Maybe Dawn didn't pay close enough attention to the Master when he ran Team USA for 2 consecutive Olympic cycles.
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I only saw the last 8 minutes of the game, so I don't know who played 3Q. But the last 8 minutes were just ugly.

The US did have some defensive lapses in the portion I saw, but their defense still should've been good enough, as they gave up only 11 points in the last 8 minutes. The offense was just plain putrid.

I tried keeping some stats on replay, and it was a pretty shocking picture of offensive futility in the last 8 minutes:
  • 3-18 FG: Two of these 3 makes were on offensive rebounds and put-back layups (by Fowles and Stewart).
  • Zero assists (all 3 FG makes were unassisted: 2 on O-boards, 1 on a 10-footer by Bird).
  • 3-5 FT.
  • 0-10 3FG (Stewart 0-4, Loyd 0-2, Bird 0-2, Gray 0-1, Collier 0-1).
Early in this stretch, the US missed a huge opportunity to seize the momentum. Coming off a make and a stop, Collier found Fowles with a perfect pass leading her right to the rim, but Fowles missed a point-blank layup that would have given the US a 3-point lead. Then Fowles jogged back in transition, got beat by her person, and this led to a 3-pointer that gave AUS a 2-point lead.

On the brighter side, the US earned extra possessions by getting several offensive rebounds , keeping AUS off the offensive glass, and forcing multiple turnovers (Collier and Loyd in particular). But an inability to shoot the ball into the ocean from a boat can negate a solid defensive and rebounding effort.

The offensive flow and cohesiveness looked nonexistent. I'll hope to see some evidence in upcoming games of coach-designed offensive systems.
 
Blakeon18 said:
USA lost second straight exhibition....just like our men did.
Led by 13 mid 3rd quarter....lost 70-67.
We did not look sharp for long stretches of the game.

Tokyo? "Concerned" not "worried".

Do not know if there are any more exhibition games...I think we start play in about 10 days...Nigeria?
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They miss DT. She’ll right the ship.
 
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