He Was An UNGUARDABLE Shooter... Until His Mind BETRAYED HIM

[superjohn]

A healthy Ben would have pushed for that. You may need to watch some video. He was an incredible offensive talent. He just didn’t do it long enough. He was unstoppable for a decent spell.

Ben was in the tier of guards with Jamal Crawford, Cuttino Mobley, Michael Redd, Jason Richardson, Monta Ellis...

They could all put up a lot of points but didn't give you all that much when it came to other things. Good scoring guards but nowhere near Hall of fame players.

With zero all-star appearances and zero all-nba teams he would've had to all of a sudden become a perennial all-star getting like 6 all-stars under his belt, and a couple all NBA selections.

Now Brandon Roy was a guard who was on the early path to being a Hall of Famer when injury ended things for him far too soon.

 

[champs99and04]

Yeah I love Ben but he was nowhere near a HOF. I have him behind Rip, Caron, and Kemba as NBA players. Kemba might've had an outside chance at the Hall if the knee issues hadn't derailed his career.

I'm sure there are a couple outliers, but generally I think of making several all-star games as a baseline for HOF consideration. Maybe if the Pistons win that second title in '05 Rip gets some consideration, but otherwise I've never felt like any of our alums sans Ray come close. It's just a really high bar. Ben was a really good scorer, but he would have needed to be elite to compensate for his other deficiencies.

 

[DRBackup]

That is some thread title.........

I mean, it is the title of the video...

 

[Hoophound]

Ben was in the tier of guards with Jamal Crawford, Cuttino Mobley, Michael Redd, Jason Richardson, Monta Ellis...

They could all put up a lot of points but didn't give you all that much when it came to other things. Good scoring guards but nowhere near Hall of fame players.

With zero all-star appearances and zero all-nba teams he would've had to all of a sudden become a perennial all-star getting like 6 all-stars under his belt, and a couple all NBA selections.

Now Brandon Roy was a guard who was on the early path to being a Hall of Famer when injury ended things for him far too soon.

Yeah I love Ben but he was nowhere near a HOF. I have him behind Rip, Caron, and Kemba as NBA players. Kemba might've had an outside chance at the Hall if the knee issues hadn't derailed his career.

I'm sure there are a couple outliers, but generally I think of making several all-star games as a baseline for HOF consideration. Maybe if the Pistons win that second title in '05 Rip gets some consideration, but otherwise I've never felt like any of our alums sans Ray come close. It's just a really high bar. Ben was a really good scorer, but he would have needed to be elite to compensate for his other deficiencies.

The big thing is it is hard to get into HOF in basketball. If Ben had played at the level he did in Chicago, especially in the playoffs, for 5 more years, he would have been a bit of a phenom offensively. That is why I said he might have been pushing for it. I guess the Hall of Fame was out of reach even if he sustained that, but 5 more years playing like that would have been something special. Fans love players like that, especially when they are smaller, as it makes them relatable. He’d be a much bigger name historically if he’d done that for 8-9 years.