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Message: [QUOTE="Waquoit, post: 4422001, member: 50"] "Watch the video" is the tell. You weren't there and you are trying convince people who were what they saw. Who am I supposed to believe you or my own lyin' eyes goes the old line. Watching video of contact can be an optical illusion in that it seems to lessen contact. Especially slo-mo video. That second sentence is a howler, like you're a CSI. Like others have said, it sounded like head not back. And the sickening thud came instantly upon head impact and could be heard over 100 feet away. I know I wasn't alone in thinking at the time "He's bleeped". Everyone around me felt the same way. [/QUOTE]