Hatchell out?

[Vowelguy]

I think we have a little more leeway on rumors about coaches, esp if they are not scandalous. Mods can correct me if I'm wrong.

Word is that change is coming to UNC.

There has been some speculation that UNC has been trying to scapegoat Hatchell in hopes that the NCAA would spare FB and MCBB. This would follow.

If true, THIS will be a very interesting hire. One of the top jobs in the country. Would Shea, with her Carolina roots, apply? Would she even have a chance sans HC experience?

 

[Vowelguy]

The scapegoating article from last summer:

UNC’s contrasting treatment of Williams, Hatchell draws attention

 

[Vowelguy]

WHO would be in contention. Not easy for me to think of strong contenders -- some of the best candidates just got snapped up.

Niele Ivey is like Shea with no HC experience. Plus would she want to be in the same conference as her mentor?
Katie Meier from Miami went to Duke so dont see her putting on Carolina blue.
Scott Rueck? The Wash coach? Seems a stretch.
Vic Schaefer? Dunno if he'd want to leave so soon; he's got that program on the upswing.

 

[UcMiami]

With the hammer of possible sanctions hanging over the program that might include loss of scholarships, post season bans of multiple years, or even a death penalty of multiple years (not too likely, but ...) I would be surprised if UNC makes a move until the NCAA comes out with a decision. It would be more difficult to get the best candidates to apply even for such a plum job without knowing what you were facing in the near future.

 

[Vowelguy]

With the hammer of possible sanctions hanging over the program that might include loss of scholarships, post season bans of multiple years, or even a death penalty of multiple years (not too likely, but ...) I would be surprised if UNC makes a move until the NCAA comes out with a decision. It would be more difficult to get the best candidates to apply even for such a plum job without knowing what you were facing in the near future.

You're assuming they care about wcbb. If the goal is to say : "look at us NCAA, we are taking action! Please don't penalize our FB and MCBB programs," then sacrificing hatchell makes sense.

 

[CL82]

Yeah, I gotta say throwing Hatchell under the bus, just sucks.

 

[CocoHusky]

You're assuming they care about wcbb. If the goal is to say : "look at us NCAA, we are taking action! Please don't penalize our FB and MCBB programs," then sacrificing hatchell makes sense.

The UNC WCBB has already been predictably sacrificed. When UNC requested an extension form the NCAA the reason given was that UNC had discovered " additional evidence that a few more former women basketball players had received improper academic help." Incredible, 3000 + instances of violations by UNC the lead item to NCAA is "look at these handful of Women BB players before you anything else. "

 

[HuskyNan]

I think we have a little more leeway on rumors about coaches, esp if they are not scandalous. Mods can correct me if I'm wrong.

Rumors are OK; harmful speculation ("I think she quit because she's pregnant", "I heard the chemistry is bad because she's a diva/ball hog", etc) are out.

 

[Vowelguy]

Rumors are OK; harmful speculation ("I think she quit because she's pregnant",.

I'm gonna go on record and say: if Hatchell is gone it is NOT because she's pregnant.

 

[Plebe]

I have no idea about the rumors around Hatchell's job security, If UNC was going to drop her, wouldn't they have been more likely to do so by the end of this week, so as to get in earlier on the merry-go-round?

 

[CL82]

I have no idea about the rumors around Hatchell's job security, If UNC was going to drop her, wouldn't they have been more likely to do so by the end of this week, so as to get in earlier on the merry-go-round?

They won't drop her because she'll sue them and sing like a bird on their academic fraud.

 

[UConnNick]

UNC is a total cesspool, but mark my words. When the punishment phase comes, it'll be nothing but a wrist slap. The fix is in with certain NCAA member institutions. The Tar Holes are one of those elite and untouchable NCAA darlings. Whether or not Hatchell is retained is immaterial. Neither she, nor any potential successor, will have anything significant to deal with in terms of punishment. As for the university administration, they're doing what has to be done.....protect the revenue-producing sports and throw as much mud as humanly possible at the sports that lose money. That's all this is about. It's sickening.

I'd be very pleased to see every sports program at UNC suffer, but it won't happen. The very premise of the NCAA and their archaic 'student-athlete' model is an absolute joke. This organization doesn't give a rat's ass about whether or not these athletes get an education or not. It's all about the money they can rake in from their exploits on a field or court. The entire administration at UNC and the NCAA should be ashamed of this ridiculous sham they're running.

 

[donalddoowop]

UNC is a total cesspool, but mark my words. When the punishment phase comes, it'll be nothing but a wrist slap. The fix is in with certain NCAA member institutions. The Tar Holes are one of those elite and untouchable NCAA darlings. Whether or not Hatchell is retained is immaterial. Neither she, nor any potential successor, will have anything significant to deal with in terms of punishment. As for the university administration, they're doing what has to be done.....protect the revenue-producing sports and throw as much mud as humanly possible at the sports that lose money. That's all this is about. It's sickening.

I'd be very pleased to see every sports program at UNC suffer, but it won't happen. The very premise of the NCAA and their archaic 'student-athlete' model is an absolute joke. This organization doesn't give a rat's ass about whether or not these athletes get an education or not. It's all about the money they can rake in from their exploits on a field or court. The entire administration at UNC and the NCAA should be ashamed of this ridiculous sham they're running.

I agree with every part of this post.

 

[UcMiami]

UNC is a total cesspool, but mark my words. When the punishment phase comes, it'll be nothing but a wrist slap. The fix is in with certain NCAA member institutions. The Tar Holes are one of those elite and untouchable NCAA darlings. Whether or not Hatchell is retained is immaterial. Neither she, nor any potential successor, will have anything significant to deal with in terms of punishment. As for the university administration, they're doing what has to be done.....protect the revenue-producing sports and throw as much mud as humanly possible at the sports that lose money. That's all this is about. It's sickening.

I'd be very pleased to see every sports program at UNC suffer, but it won't happen. The very premise of the NCAA and their archaic 'student-athlete' model is an absolute joke. This organization doesn't give a rat's ass about whether or not these athletes get an education or not. It's all about the money they can rake in from their exploits on a field or court. The entire administration at UNC and the NCAA should be ashamed of this ridiculous sham they're running.

I agree with the sentiment, but I think you will be surprised - do they want to give a little wrist slap and move on, absolutely. Can they take the negative publicity and perhaps political involvement that such a move would provoke? I don't think so. You cannot total corrupt the academic standing of a university to a degree never before seen, and not impose fairly harsh penalties. The NCAA is under increasing scrutiny by courts and politicians for the exploitation of amateur athletes under the guise of providing free education - discredit and ignore the education, their half of the bargain and they have no leg to stand on.

 

[HoopsFan21]

UNC is a total cesspool, but mark my words. When the punishment phase comes, it'll be nothing but a wrist slap. The fix is in with certain NCAA member institutions. The Tar Holes are one of those elite and untouchable NCAA darlings. Whether or not Hatchell is retained is immaterial. Neither she, nor any potential successor, will have anything significant to deal with in terms of punishment. As for the university administration, they're doing what has to be done.....protect the revenue-producing sports and throw as much mud as humanly possible at the sports that lose money. That's all this is about. It's sickening.

I'd be very pleased to see every sports program at UNC suffer, but it won't happen. The very premise of the NCAA and their archaic 'student-athlete' model is an absolute joke. This organization doesn't give a rat's ass about whether or not these athletes get an education or not. It's all about the money they can rake in from their exploits on a field or court. The entire administration at UNC and the NCAA should be ashamed of this ridiculous sham they're running.

Sure wish UConn was one of those untouchable NCAA darlings. That's why I find it funny when Tennessee fans accuse Geno of cheating to get Maya. As if Emmert would let a chance to take a swing at UConn's most prominent program slip by. Yeah right. The NCAA does what it wants. The rules mean nothing really. The compliance manual is nothing more than window dressing and I guess good for bedtime reading instead of counting sheep. The only way you could force them to do something is if they were called before congress and told you either do or you lose your non-profit status. It would take about a millisecond for the NCAA to do even if that meant nuking one of their darlings; otherwise they will just continue to do what they want.

Emmert is a slime ball. Remember when he was at UConn and then later part of a state investigation? No wonder he has it in for us. One of Emmert's cohorts at UConn, Vicky Triponey, went on to work at Penn State but was subsequently run out of town. Then Sandusky happened and Emmert made sure he crushed Penn State with sanctions that were eventually reversed out of fear of discovery of internal NCAA communications (still curious as to what was worth protecting that badly that sanctions would get reversed like that). Something tells me whenever Emmert and his buddies that are full of spite get their chance, they hit whatever school slighted them with penalties that otherwise would not happen anywhere else. It reeks of corruption when you start connecting the dots.

 

[JordyG]

I agree with the sentiment, but I think you will be surprised - do they want to give a little wrist slap and move on, absolutely. Can they take the negative publicity and perhaps political involvement that such a move would provoke? I don't think so. You cannot total corrupt the academic standing of a university to a degree never before seen, and not impose fairly harsh penalties. The NCAA is under increasing scrutiny by courts and politicians for the exploitation of amateur athletes under the guise of providing free education - discredit and ignore the education, their half of the bargain and they have no leg to stand on.

Man I hope you're right.

 

[Dillon77]

I agree with the sentiment, but I think you will be surprised - do they want to give a little wrist slap and move on, absolutely. Can they take the negative publicity and perhaps political involvement that such a move would provoke? I don't think so. You cannot total corrupt the academic standing of a university to a degree never before seen, and not impose fairly harsh penalties. The NCAA is under increasing scrutiny by courts and politicians for the exploitation of amateur athletes under the guise of providing free education - discredit and ignore the education, their half of the bargain and they have no leg to stand on.

Agree with UConnNick's sentiment, but also am very much in your corner here. From everything I've read over the years (and I'm sure most of us have), this situation is remarkably egregious. If the NCAA (and the NC Board of Regents or whatever they're called), don't recognize that something beyond a wrist slap needs be incurred, well change the .edu to .com for all to see.

Gosh knows Hatchell has been through an old testament bushel of you-know-what recently and you'd hate to see her thrown under the bus. Let's see if she can make a decent salad out of her 7 or so new recruits that go along with her two pretty good freshman. Factor in the on-court results in with the findings of the "final" investigation and go from there.

Lastly, if there was a natural for this job under "normal" circumstances, it was Tarheel alum Jonathan Tspsis. He went to a state school all right...to Mad City, Wisconsin. Stay tuned, for a lot of reasons.

 

[Fightin Choke]

Sure wish UConn was one of those untouchable NCAA darlings. That's why I find it funny when Tennessee fans accuse Geno of cheating to get Maya. As if Emmert would let a chance to take a swing at UConn's most prominent program slip by. Yeah right. The NCAA does what it wants. The rules mean nothing really. The compliance manual is nothing more than window dressing and I guess good for bedtime reading instead of counting sheep. The only way you could force them to do something is if they were called before congress and told you either do or you lose your non-profit status. It would take about a millisecond for the NCAA to do even if that meant nuking one of their darlings; otherwise they will just continue to do what they want.

I won't speak to Emmert's perceived hatred of UConn, but isn't the timing off here? Maya was starting her senior season at UConn before Emmert assumed his duties as President of the NCAA (November 2010). I know that these cases take a while, but did Emmert get on board early enough to affect the outcome of this complaint anyway? He was president of University of Washington immediately before assuming his duties at the NCAA, so it isn't as if he worked for NCAA enforcement before he became NCAA President. I thought the case was resolved in 2008 when UConn was hit with a secondary violation (LINK) which was long before Emmert ran the show. Did it trickle on for two or more years to allow Emmert to affect its outcome?

 

[HoopsFan21]

I won't speak to Emmert's perceived hatred of UConn, but isn't the timing off here? Maya was starting her senior season at UConn before Emmert assumed his duties as President of the NCAA (November 2010). I know that these cases take a while, but did Emmert get on board early enough to affect the outcome of this complaint anyway? He was president of University of Washington immediately before assuming his duties at the NCAA, so it isn't as if he worked for NCAA enforcement before he became NCAA President. I thought the case was resolved in 2008 when UConn was hit with a secondary violation (LINK) which was long before Emmert ran the show. Did it trickle on for two or more years to allow Emmert to affect its outcome?

No you are correct in what you stated. Emmert came along a couple of years later, but I don't trust Emmert or the NCAA, and after the Penn State case and some of the internal emails that were released from that mess you can see how corrupt the whole thing is.

 

[Vowelguy]

Latest grapevine: "No coaching change."

Not sure if that just refers to today/tmow or the matter has been resolved for this year.

 

[baggerbob]

I agree with the sentiment, but I think you will be surprised - do they want to give a little wrist slap and move on, absolutely. Can they take the negative publicity and perhaps political involvement that such a move would provoke? I don't think so. You cannot total corrupt the academic standing of a university to a degree never before seen, and not impose fairly harsh penalties. The NCAA is under increasing scrutiny by courts and politicians for the exploitation of amateur athletes under the guise of providing free education - discredit and ignore the education, their half of the bargain and they have no leg to stand on.

The NCAA would be opening themselves up to lawsuits if they don't come down hard on UNC. You can't give grades for bogus classes for 20 years, and not be severely punished. The accrediting board for academics, already has the school on probation for this, the NCAA has to act in a harsh manner.

 

[blaqtech]

After reading all this I like Louisville's chance everyday for a wrist slap. (Louisville fan since 1980)

 

[UConnNick]

After reading all this I like Louisville's chance everyday for a wrist slap. (Louisville fan since 1980)

Louisville has been an NCAA rogue institution since the Denny Crum Era and possibly before. Leopards never change their spots.

I'm not suggesting that most NCAA signatories don't cheat. It's the other way around. They almost all do, but certain schools take it to absolute maximum extremes because they know how to get away with it, thanks to ridiculously lax enforcement by the governing body. The NCAA completely ceased being any kind of meaningful college athletics administration when they let the less than clueless university presidents start running it. These idiots are university presidents in the first place largely because most of them can't hack it in the private business world, yet we've given them the keys to a very expensive and fast race car, which they've managed to careen out of control since the late 1980's, crashing into a lot of obstructions along the way.

The car has become a burning pile of wreckage. It's time to junk it and do things differently. Pay the players in the revenue-producing sports, eliminate the fiction that any athletes are in school to get a well rounded academic education, and trash the arcane rule book in favor of recognizing that certain students are there to learn how to make money as pro athletes after they leave school. Let them major in professional sports. Isn't that what college is supposed to be there for, to train students and prepare them for successful careers in their chosen line of work? What's wrong with officially recognizing that these are just minor leagues for the pros? It's time to end the hypocrisy that is the NCAA.