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Message: [QUOTE="gtcam, post: 2245678, member: 2844"] Again Scoot - I am talking about talent recognition NOT team production - wins and talent recognition are two separate categories - some top flight talent in all sports played on god awful teams but that doesn't diminish that they are great talent. You need to separate the two in this discussion Besides Chill was working on Fulz way before anyone recognized the kid for what he could develop into. UW had some very talented players in the recent years that Chill had been there and was deeply involved in getting them there and most were NBA draftees - why they didn't win? I don't know - have to ask Romar [/QUOTE]