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Message: [QUOTE="ctchamps, post: 2647783, member: 37"] I think you present valid points. In general we have valid and invalid reasoning to support our perspectives. In the end we'll always justify what we feel is right and scratch our heads at other perspectives. Personally I welcome people explaining their position or positions regarding issues. I just find it interesting that people (not implying you) don't recognize that an opinion is just an opinion and insist others treat their opinions as facts. It's nice to probe people to see if they can stretch their thinking and consider our opinions, but what I observe frequently is that we insist others agree with our opinions. That only happens in dictatorships. And those dictators don't know what people really think. I also find it interesting that people continue to repeat themselves ad nauseam . They treat intellectual debate like this is a game of attrition. I'll wear you out before you wear me out. That's the opposite of intellectual debating imo. If someone won't change their mind after a reasonable effort then most likely they won't ever change their mind. And if they do was the effort employed beneficial? Obviously we learn by repetitive presentation. And obviously various groups in society employ this technique from marketing of products, to philosophies, to politics. And it works because that's in accordance with the process of learning. But in the Boneyard with strong egos all it does is bring chaos. In the end if smart people want to put in so much effort to situations that don't really impact events thats obviously up to them and not me. I bring this up with people on occasion only to see if they agree with me. It's obvious to me that there is some value and pleasure in stubbornly pursuing inconsequential endeavors. Or perhaps it's fear of retreating because that makes us look weak and we need to employ this even in situations that are inconsequential. [/QUOTE]

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