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Greatest Athlete to never win a championship?

Inyatkin said:
He could have retired before his late-career home run binge and gone down as one of the best players in history
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Exactly. Pre-steroids Bonds was a 30/30 guy every year practically. Without steroids he was in the HOF. Unfortunately, the juice has kept him from getting in.

Him and Griffey Jr. are the two best baseball players I have seen play in person.

Mike Trout was amazing before injuries started catching up to him. Too bad he has played on the west coast and for the Angels. Not enough people got to watch him at his peak. If he played in a different market he would be spoken about, as a whole, much differently.
 
Deepster said:
I also "follow the money" and he has no real sponsorships that I know of or that are nationally recognized. I am not sure I even know what his voice sounds like. Not a "stat" obviously, but if he was that good, he'd have a buzz and people would want him promoting their product/service.
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He was great and the best player in baseball over an 8 season stretch. His teams never did anything and he was in no way marketable but the things he did on the field during that time are undeniable. He's done now.
 
Vowelguy said:
What was great? His ability or his meds? We will never know, so he’s off the list for me.
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Barry was a lock HOF before his PED’’s driven HR binge .
Top five baseball players in my lifetime
and I saw my first MLB game in 1948
Williams ( who won an AL Pennant) greatest pure hitter I ever saw .
Ty Cobb ( who won 3 AL Pennants)
Never won a World Series but we’re forgetting how difficult it was to win a pennant in those days before divisions.
Ernie Banks never even played in a series 13 time All Star and HOFer .
Ken Griffey Jr another great player
Those would be my baseball choices
A side note
I must be one of the only people still around who saw Cobb play
That 1948 game was an Old Timers game at Yankees Stadium .
My older brother and uncle were excited that Cobb showed up he was 61 years old and a living legend so I remembered him running out into the field
I believe a dying Babe Ruth was there but since he wasn’t in uniform , I unfortunately have no relocation of his farewell speech I wish I could claim that but I’d be lying .
I was only 5 so the players in uniform made a more lasting impression
 
HooperScooper said:
That’s the sad part. He probably would have been an all time great without the steroids. But he got greedy and now we’ll never know.
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Inyatkin said:
He could have retired before his late-career home run binge and gone down as one of the best players in history
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I don't know exactly when Bonds really started juicing. His excuse has been McGwire, Sosa, et.al. were getting all the attention and money after the strike, and he wanted some of that. So as far as I'm concerned, he was clean through age 30, or first 10 years of his career.

First 10 years:
Bonds bWAR ages 21-30 = 74
Trout bWAR ages 19-28 = 74
 
Vowelguy said:
What was great? His ability or his meds? We will never know, so he’s off the list for me.
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Vowelguy said:
The great thing about cheating is that it supersedes the rest. I don’t need to evaluate his supposed non PED career.
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You said "we'll never know." A bunch of people pointed out we do know, he was great without steroids. Then you said it doesn't matter.
Hate Bonds if you want, but don't say "we don't know" if we was great or not
 
storrsroars said:
Trout had an OPS >.990 every year from 2015-2022, injured or not. That's pretty amazing for 21st century baseball.

He's had a ton of highlight catches. But nobody gives a rat's ass about the Angels.

I have heard Trout speak. He is boring A.F.
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Brandon Nimmo has a ton of highlight catches. Give me Trout's "moment".

I'll save you some time. There is none.
 
CONN78SEJ said:
Not sure on this and it’s going back a ways but, gold medals aside, I don’t think Jim Thorpe ever won a championship in football or baseball.View attachment 108995
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I knew he won Olympic medals andbpre-NFL championships but had to post this just for the ballroom dancing.

Yes, Jim Thorpe won several championships throughout his career, including Olympic titles. He won the pentathlon and decathlon at the 1912 Olympics in Stockholm. He also played for the Canton Bulldogs professional football team, and they won unofficial world championships in 1916, 1917, and 1919. Additionally, he won the intercollegiate ballroom dancing championship in 1912.
 
Deepster said:
Brandon Nimmo has a ton of highlight catches. Give me Trout's "moment".

I'll save you some time. There is none.
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How many HoFers actually have "moments"?

Mays had one. Jeter had one. Bo Jackson had one. Hell, I'll argue that Agee had 2 and Swoboda one in the '69 series.

Did Ripken? Did Aaron? Did Thome? Did Killebrew?

I'll tell you Barry Bonds' "moment": playing out of position despite Andy Van Slyke trying to move him over, which resulted in not being able to get to Sid Bream's single fast enough to throw him out at home. Juan Marichal's "moment" was breaking a bat over Johnny Roseboro's head.

"Moment" is a dumb way of looking at a career.
 
UconnU said:
At any level, college or pros.

I was reading about how Elgin Baylor had somehow escaped ever winning a championship. He went to the final 4 in college and lost, then lost 8 NBA Finals with the Lakers, they won again the year after he retired.

Dan Marino and Barry Sanders come to mind, any others?
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...and Sanders just walked away from Detroit in his prime. Those are 3 great examples. All legitimate all-time greats. That Baylor stat is scary sad.
 
SubbaBub said:
I knew he won Olympic medals andbpre-NFL championships but had to post this just for the ballroom dancing.

Yes, Jim Thorpe won several championships throughout his career, including Olympic titles. He won the pentathlon and decathlon at the 1912 Olympics in Stockholm. He also played for the Canton Bulldogs professional football team, and they won unofficial world championships in 1916, 1917, and 1919. Additionally, he won the intercollegiate ballroom dancing championship in 1912.
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I did say “gold medals aside”, or did you miss that? I also never heard of gold medals being referred to as “Championships” in amateur athletics. Funny you didn’t mention Thorpe played for the Cincinnati Reds, Atlanta Braves (before they moved to Atlanta) and the NY Giants, but never won a championship. Your argument is a weak one. :rolleyes:
 
storrsroars said:
How many HoFers actually have "moments"?

Mays had one. Jeter had one. Bo Jackson had one. Hell, I'll argue that Agee had 2 and Swoboda one in the '69 series.

Did Ripken? Did Aaron? Did Thome? Did Killebrew?

I'll tell you Barry Bonds' "moment": playing out of position despite Andy Van Slyke trying to move him over, which resulted in not being able to get to Sid Bream's single fast enough to throw him out at home. Juan Marichal's "moment" was breaking a bat over Johnny Roseboro's head.

"Moment" is a dumb way of looking at a career.
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He would've been fine if he said Trout's teams never won and he wasn't marketable, we all know that. I thought we also all knew he was the best player in baseball when he was in his prime and he did some pretty amazing things on the diamond. I thought this was a quite a moment.

 
HooperScooper said:
This moment was a pretty iconic moment.

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Aaron was a great overall player, but that's simply an achievement. It's not a brilliant play in a clutch situation. Aaron was going to get 715 at some point.
 
Waquoit said:
Huh? It demolishes your assertion that Thorpe never won a championship.
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My “assertion”?????? I started my OP “Not sure on this and it’s going back aways”. It was more of a question on Thorpe than anything else. Lol
 
storrsroars said:
Aaron was a great overall player, but that's simply an achievement. It's not a brilliant play in a clutch situation. Aaron was going to get 715 at some point.
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Yes. And that iconic HR is his moment. A moment Trout does not have.
 
superjohn said:
He would've been fine if he said Trout's teams never won and he wasn't marketable, we all know that. I thought we also all knew he was the best player in baseball when he was in his prime and he did some pretty amazing things on the diamond. I thought this was a quite a moment.

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Deepster said:
Yes. And that iconic HR is his moment. A moment Trout does not have.
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What was iconic about it? Did it win a game? Was it in a must-hit situation?

He was going to get 715 at some point. It didn't matter to the game being played one bit.

Might as well say McGwire's 62nd or Bonds' 71st were "moments".
 
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