Golden in the clear
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Glad they let him coach.
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1. We’ll, if someone’s attorney says something it must be true.
2. It’s laughable to write that because there is no evidence to support allegations that means the allegations are false. It doesn’t mean the allegations are true, and it means that without evidence people shouldn’t assume the allegations are true, but as a matter of pure logic it doesn’t mean the allegations are false either. Just that there is no evidence to support them.
2. It’s laughable to write that because there is no evidence to support allegations that means the allegations are false. It doesn’t mean the allegations are true, and it means that without evidence people shouldn’t assume the allegations are true, but as a matter of pure logic it doesn’t mean the allegations are false either. Just that there is no evidence to support them.
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… if you’re a defense attorney and your client gets off due to lack of evidence, it means the allegations are false.
I’m not even sure what you’re saying. We know it’s possible to get off due to insufficient evidence but still have done the crime…but no attorney on earth would say that. The conclusion is clear: by law, it didn’t happen.
I’m not sure why you’d have an issue with the statement enough to comment, genuinely curious.
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I mean an attorney did just say it. The law isn’t making a determination on whether it did or did not happen if there is insufficient evidence. if he had done something criminal and there wasn’t evidence to charge him at a point in time that wouldn’t be making any determination as to his guilt nor would it prevent them from charging him in the future.
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I get it. It’s just semantics that everyone knows an attorney would rightfully say. So I don’t get the issue, it’s the same as every defense attorneys quote ever.
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This guy doesn't get allegations by being a choir boy. Glad nothing he did rose to a level of criminality but he now has the ick in my mind
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Was gonna name the thread Golden Showered of Accusations
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I'd have the same reaction to any other defense attorney making the statement. Good for Golden there is no evidence of having done anything wrong. But despite what defense attorneys would like, there not being sufficient evidence to charge something does not prove that nothing wrong happened.
Why are you hung up on my comment on semantics? That's all I wrote. Not in any way implying Golden did anything wrong -- I have absolutely no idea.
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I wasn’t hung up, I was curious why you thought it was so egregious as to comment on it, it seems innocuous to me. I genuinely was asking.
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I just find it silly to state a conclusion that the facts don’t support. No matter how many people do it. That’s all.
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Youre right in the literal sense, but I can’t imagine being accused of something and having to settle for “they couldn’t find enough evidence to convict me, but that doesn’t mean I’m not guilty.”
I think defendants should socially be allowed to claim non guilt if they’re never found guilty. Maybe his lawyer should phrase it differently.
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My last comment on this, because (and I’ll take the blame) this is probably not a discussion worth anyone’s time, but I have no problem with Golden saying whatever he wants. I do hold attorneys to higher standards.
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Saved it for post #10. Patience.
Some folks on this board gravitate toward stories like this, and they invariably play out the way prisoners telling jokes by offering punchlines referred to as numbers. Here, I do my part, dutifully noting that there's
some factual content on a gossipy story, then some conclusions, some accusations, some speculation, some certainties, some moralizing, some push, some pull, and here it comes around full circle and in the guide of good clean fun.
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They don't have to settle for that, they can say an investigation was done and there was absolutely no evidence found. They can also claim they were found not guilty. It's semantic like @businesslawyer said but this doesn't prove the allegations are false.
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But…why would he say anything else?!?! They are claiming complete innocence, and nothing to the contrary was shown…why would they volunteer or rather NOT make a declarative statement? Also last comment on this, just wanted to clarify.
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You can claim whatever you want. But that doesn't mean that everyone will believe you, regardless of the legal outcome.
OJ was found not guilty - but that doesn't mean that everyone believes he didn't kill Nicole. I don't know for sure, but I believe he did. I'm also not bothered by the legal outcome - the prosecutors didn't deliver. That's how the system works.
On these sorts of claims? Guys that are squeaky clean generally don't face these kinds of issues. All I can hope is that both sides were treated fairly in the investigation and the outcome is reasonable.
Since he was accused of sending pics/videos of his genitalia via DM on IG - that should be pretty easy to prove or disprove. Whether it is harassment or not is another story. So if he did it, but the girl "asked" for them (to make up a straw man argument) he wouldn't be guilty of harassment, but he still might be a creep given that he is married and has 2 kids.
"After a thorough investigation that included dozens of interviews over the past months, the University of Florida has found no evidence that Todd Golden violated Title IX. The Title IX office has closed its investigation.” - doesn't say he didn't send the pics/videos. Just that he didn't violate Title IX.
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Sure and it might all be made up like we've seen with plenty of these stories.
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Then come out and say that he didn't send the pics. Pretty easy to say that if he didn't do it. The reason that they didn't say it, is because he obviously did send the pics. That's my take on it. When super specific allegations are made that are easily provable/disprovable and they aren't refuted specifically - there is a reason for that. If I was Golden and I didn't send the pics, I'd be d*mn sure to tell my lawyer to tell the world that. He may not be guilty - but he sure might end up divorced and on the hook for a big payday.
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Cool, you have no idea if any of it happened or what his relationship is with his wife.
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A creep, just not a creep with a UF student apparently so they don't care.
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Somehow seems like pretty high standard to prove the negative. My logic is NO evidence means didn't do it. Not like there was no investigation, pretty hard to get Title IX case dismissed.
Law Firm of Nesenoff & Miltenberg quote:
" It’s also important to note that current Title IX complaint review processes have a much lower standard of proof than the criminal justice system, while those who are accused of offenses also lack other legal protections offered to criminal defendants.
Ultimately, a school’s investigative process for determining whether sexual assault or harassment occurred on campus is left largely up to the school itself."
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No I don't. You can make your assumption that the whole thing was made up and he is a choir boy and I will believe something else. But there was a super easy way to clear it up and he chose not to do it. So either he wants idiots like us to debate his marriage on a message board, he is stupid, or he didn't want to get caught lying.
Funny how you think your assumption of what happened is somehow more valid than mine - when neither of us actually know.