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Message: [QUOTE="The Viking, post: 3796972, member: 1599"] Beckham was taken 12th. No tanking involved. The year that caused the Giants to get the 2 pick (Barkley), was because of the incompetence of Bob McAdoo (Geno Smith fiasco), who was promptly fired and replaced by Spagnola who as an interim coach sure as hell wasn't trying to lose...and in fact the Giants won the final game of that season - ironically enough against Washington The year that caused the Giants to get the 6 pick was under Shurmer and they started 1-7, but finished 4-4 in their last 8. There are some organizations that play to win - even if they've sucked at it lately - and then there are some organizations that take players out of games in order to avoid winning when it suits them.....even when their own players want to keep playing. [/QUOTE]