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Geno says 30-win seasons are coming to an end

This year and last year have been Coach Geno's finest works of coaching. He's done it virtually without a bench, and certainly without a strong post player. UConn's success has been due to finesse, wonderful, wondrous teamwork, and luck- he hasn't been hit with any devastating injuries. But the lack of a big, dependable post player caught up with us in the semi-final game. This year we have a better post player, but one who still clearly yearns to be a forward, and whose game is mostly about finesses, not power.

And, as Coach Geno has stated many times, the bench has been a very troubling disappointment. Last night no one but Z scored off the bench. No one.

Next year we will lose two players who have been foundation stones of the team's success for four years. Gabby was a major spark plug off the bench since she was a freshman. Walker will be back, but whether the HS POY will show up, or this year's freshman will show up, is very much to be discovered. We will get two highly rated HS kids, but will lose two stalwarts. Whether the other bench players will step up also remains to be seen.

Coach Geno can be sarcastic, and can needle great players to push them to ever greater heights of performance. But quite often, as with this blunt assessment, he can be brutally honest.

As it's been noted here, UConn has gone years with good, but not great teams. Between the departure of D and the arrival of Tina, the team suffered through a drought of top talent. The past few years have constituted the Golden Age of Connecticut Basketball. We should not consider the program's recent greatness as immutable and unassailable.

Sometimes Coach Geno doesn't kid.
 
Agree with you Walker no way 1 rated player. So many better freshman players on WCBB teams. Geno may have screwed up on this one.
Whom do you have in mind ("so many better freshmen")? It seems trollish to make that statement without supplying any names. If you are thinking of someone like the guard at Texas A&M, I'm quite confident that Walker and even Coombs could have had that kind of season if Geno had given them equivalent minutes and equivalent tolerance for mistakes and bad shots. Fortunately that was neither necessary nor a good way to develop the talent, so he didn't.

On the larger question of UConn's future after next year, it seems to me that if Ezi decides to come, the gravy train will continue with basically no interruption. If she doesn't, then 2019-20 might be a 3 or 4 loss season and maybe not a Final Four season, although that is far less than a certainty. The starting lineup previously mentioned (Crystal, C. Williams, Walker, ONO, and Camara or whoever steps up to the plate), assuming that there are one or two bench players among that year's freshmen who can do as much as Walker has done this year) would certainly be a Top 5 to Top 10 team.
 
Of course when the 2019-2020 season rolls around UCONN won't be the only team with significant personnel losses. A 2019-2020 Huskies team doesn't have to be as good as the current Huskies. It just has to be better than the teams it faces in 2019-2020. By 2019-2020 who among the elite programs won't have lost significant pieces from current teams?
Yeah, but clearly the laws of nature are that the rest of the world suffers while Geno trades a Rolls Royce for a Mazzerati. We are not mere mortals.
 
Agree with you Walker no way 1 rated player. So many better freshman players on WCBB teams. Geno may have screwed up on this one.

Yeah I mean the hope is she's knows what to work on come this off season. Coming into uconn I'm sure all the girls think they work and train hard, but as you start camp Geno I bet it's pretty eye opening, both physically and mentally( getting the system and meshing with upperclassmen).
Walker will have every opportunity to make her mark here starting next year. I hope she does. Just because I'm critical doesn't mean I'm not rooting like hell for her. If she's doesn't fire and CW goes thru an understandable freshman learning curve we will be in some trouble.
 
As great a coach as Geno is, he is not God; he cannot create something out of nothing. Don't forget that UCONN has in fact had stretches of lean years; they were of course few and far between, but they existed.

I posted the following in another thread, but it seems equally relevant here:

"A major reason why UCONN has been able to sustain its dominance over such a long period of time is because, with a few exceptions, it has always been successful in attracting at least a PAIR of recruits year after year who later become elite players. However, after KLS and Pheesa in 2015-16, UCONN had failed to do so in 2016-17, and again does not seem likely to be able to achieve that in 2017-18. I think Geno is genuinely frustrated with the bench (except Z) because he can see a serious crisis looming 2 years down the road after KLS, Pheesa, and Z graduate, unless a couple of current benchers step-up their development NOW.

In a way, UCONN has been bailed out by transfers in the recent 2 years: by Nat in 2016-17 (yes, without Nat, I think UCONN would have lost a couple of games in the regular season), and by Z in 2017-18. I know we will have a great pair of recruits next season, but even if they fully live up to their HS rankings, they won't be able to fully compensate for the lack of significant further development in the 1916-18 classes."

I'll wait till the end of next season before making a judgement about this year's freshmen class...............the 2016 class has been somewhat criticized for only bringing in one standout but after going back to look at the ranked players from the entire 2016 class, there were very few who have become great players on other teams...................other then Cox, UConn didn't miss out on a whole lot...........
 
I'll wait till the end of next season before making a judgement about this year's freshmen class.....the 2016 class has been somewhat criticized for only bringing in one standout but after going back to look at the ranked players from the entire 2016 class, there were very few who have become great players on other teams....other then Cox, UConn didn't miss out on a whole lot......


The Huskies were in on Kelly Jekot, Jackie Young, and Erin Boley at one time or another. Those would've been really nice additions.
 
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When I woke up this morning and starting reading this thread, I immediately tuned into the Weather Channel to see if, in fact, the sky was falling or if the forecast was for the Armageddon asteroid was predicted to hit our planet in 2019-20. Luckily, no such forecast was shown and I breathed a sigh of relief.

So on March 5, at 30-0, scheduled to play a nicely coached Bearcat team who poses no real threat to the Huskies-why are we talking about this?

There are a couple of thoughts that I hope many think about that were presented on this thread: Geno is not God-which is true, he is a basketball savant however and he knows it is on him to develop a bench. I think his current issue is a "relative value trade" concept-the bench pales in comparison to the "starting 6". Seriously, 4 of the 6 are legitimate candidates for 1st All-American, 3 of them ARE ALL-AMERICANS. Z and Crystal Dangerfield are going to be All-Americans either next year for Z and/or in two years for Crystal Dangerfield. That is pretty daunting to compare a 6 person squad who just KNOW what to do every time down the court to 6 other not as heralded players whose skill or maturity level is not the same.

Coaching is about adjusting and when the team chemistry changes each year, Geno, CD, Shea and Marissa all rethink their strategy. I have no doubt they will do much the same over the next few seasons. Water seeks it's own level, meaning, players develop at different paces even when pushed. MW has shown glimpses, maybe not as many as Crystal Dangerfield did last year but MW is in a significantly different position than what Crystal Dangerfield was in. When she's with the second unit, she looks more comfortable and confident. Camara needs to show the effort in practices to get more playing time as she is a true talent and force down in the block, why she doesn't play more is a headscratcher to me. Coombs is an unknown to me. Her shot is odd and suspect for too many blocks against it and her slashing ability is unknown.

Yes, at some point, the UConn team will again encounter 2, 3, 4 or even 5 loss seasons-heaven forbid!!! And yet, while Geno is here, the TEAM will evolve each year like it always has and will be considered a favorite to advance to the Final Four like it has for the past 15 years, 10 of which have been successfully navigated.

Now, can we get back to the regularly scheduled programming of the 2017-18 Championship Season March? (see what I did there with the word "March"? :rolleyes:)

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I'll wait till the end of next season before making a judgement about this year's freshmen class.....the 2016 class has been somewhat criticized for only bringing in one standout but after going back to look at the ranked players from the entire 2016 class, there were very few who have become great players on other teams....other then Cox, UConn didn't miss out on a whole lot......
Really?

Holmes & Sutton - TX
Ionescu & Hebard - OR
Young - ND
Charles & Watson - MD
Harris - SC
Slocum - Formerly MD, now OR St

Not saying that UConn recruited all of them, or that they are all great players, but I would certainly suggest that Holmes, Ionescu, Charles & Slocum are all potential AA candidates, and the rest are all really good.
 
Whom do you have in mind ("so many better freshmen")? It seems trollish to make that statement without supplying any names. If you are thinking of someone like the guard at Texas A&M, I'm quite confident that Walker and even Coombs could have had that kind of season if Geno had given them equivalent minutes and equivalent tolerance for mistakes and bad shots. Fortunately that was neither necessary nor a good way to develop the talent, so he didn't.

On the larger question of UConn's future after next year, it seems to me that if Ezi decides to come, the gravy train will continue with basically no interruption. If she doesn't, then 2019-20 might be a 3 or 4 loss season and maybe not a Final Four season, although that is far less than a certainty. The starting lineup previously mentioned (Crystal, C. Williams, Walker, ONO, and Camara or whoever steps up to the plate), assuming that there are one or two bench players among that year's freshmen who can do as much as Walker has done this year) would certainly be a Top 5 to Top 10 team.



Don't want to get into a back and forth. Yep the kid T A&M, couple kids at TENN and one at SC. Just to name a few that are playing better
 
Very disappointed with the freshmen. I know that Walker's perfomance is comparable to Collier in her first season and perhaps with those of Tuck and Jefferson. There was one freshman in each class (KLS and Stewart) who was far ahead. I cannot find a similar player among these freshmen. When Kia Stokes and Brianna Banks were freshmen, Stokes was a commanding presence on the court with her rebounds and blocks.

Their poor practice and lack of effort continues to raise the specter of Kristen Phillips repeatedly.

Geno is more persnickety about recruiting than a brahmin is about his food. Then why does the first year stink so much?
 
He’s giving notice to the bench.
Parkinson's Law: Work expands to fill the time available for its completion.

That Geno has the time to focus so intently on his bench tells me that I shouldn't be too worried about this team.

Law of Increasing Returns: When output outpaces input.

That Geno can spend time productively preparing future teams this late in the season is because he has tapped into the law of increasing returns. He is now in possession of the well-oiled machine he spent decades developing.

In the movie Executive Decision Kurt Russell, an airline passenger with a couple of lessons in pursuit of a private pilot's license, is called on to land a jumbo jet. After "successfully" (albeit terrifyingly crashing and destroying the jetliner in the process) returning the plane to the ground without loss of life, Russell deadpans, "These things almost land themselves, don't they?"
Right now, Geno is Kurt Russell and UConn is the plane (without the terror and destruction).
 
Very disappointed with the freshmen. I know that Walker's perfomance is comparable to Collier in her first season?
After the conference tournament 2 years ago, during the long layoff before the Big Dance, Geno suddenly announced to the press that Pheesa looked really good in practice. In the tournament, Pheesa played well as a key reserve off the bench, and became the 1st player off the bench when Lou went down with a broken foot.

Maybe there’s still a chance for MW to undergo some type of late season transformation.
 
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Registereduconn: "Parkinson's Law: Work expands to fill the time available for its completion.

That Geno has the time to focus so intently on his bench tells me that I shouldn't be too worried about this team.

Law of Increasing Returns: When output outpaces input".

Since we are quoting universal laws....I have one that can apply to the UConn phenom that has spoiled us for over a generation.... It is called entropy: a : the degradation of the matter and energy in the universe to an ultimate state of inert uniformity



    • Entropy is the general trend of the universe toward death and disorder. A trend for all systems in the universe to mover towards: chaos, disorganization, randomness. The idea of entropy comes from a principle of thermodynamics dealing with energy. It usually refers to the idea that everything in the universe eventually moves from order to disorder, and entropy is the measurement of that change.
 
Really?

Holmes & Sutton - TX
Ionescu & Hebard - OR
Young - ND
Charles & Watson - MD
Harris - SC
Slocum - Formerly MD, now OR St

Not saying that UConn recruited all of them, or that they are all great players, but I would certainly suggest that Holmes, Ionescu, Charles & Slocum are all potential AA candidates, and the rest are all really good.

True, I should have added to my remarks by saying that of the better performing recruits in the 2016 class most were not going to UConn anyway because there was no mutual interest................just going on memory Ionescu and I think Slocum too couldn't even figure out which coast they wanted to play on never mind which school..............what part of the bench would Holmes be sitting on right now? Harris was always an SC lock........Watson would be sitting at the end of Geno's bench, Young was an early ND lean, Sutton had no UConn interest etc.etc, etc.........you have to admit out of the Hoopgurlz top 100 that's a pretty short list..............I'll stand by my point that there were pretty slim pickings for UConn in 2016 and thus his selection of two players not listed in the Top 100................
 
Between injuries and the struggle to develop a deeper bench, this season has weighed more heavily on Geno than most. There are times on the sideline, sitting on the bench, glasses off, rubbing his nose with his thumb and forefinger, when he looks considerably older than his 63 years.

Geno is a lot closer to the end of his career than the beginning. Who knows what’s going on in his head?

Heck I can only hope to look that good when I'm 63!!!
 
I've said before, I'm not worried about next year. KLS, Collier and Stevens as Sr's? With Dangerfield running the point. Those 4 and anyone of us have a decent shot at a NC.

Between Walker , Camara, Williams, ONO, Irwin, Coombs, Bent, Gordon (possibly Magbegor), I imagine Geno can find 2-3 players who can contribute.

2 years down the road? Who knows how the players will develop. But normally they tend to develop pretty well at UCONN. As long as UCONN is getting the talent, which they still seem to be doing.
But Dangerfield, Williams, Walker, Camara, ONO wouldn't be a bad starting 5 to think about.

Remember, towards the end of Jefferson's FR year, there were some on the BY who had their doubts she would ever be able to contribute meaningfully. And she become arguably the best UCONN PG ever.

So relax. Don't think too far down the road. Things will probably change drastically.

Sage advice. Cannot believe in tourney time we are in this spot. To reinforce your point I offer:

 
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After the conference tournament 2 years ago, during the long layoff before the Big Dance, Geno suddenly announced to the press that Pheesa looked really good in practice. In the tournament, Pheesa played well as a key reserve off the bench, and became the 1st player off the bench when Lou went down with a broken foot.

Maybe there’s still a chance for MW to undergo some type of late season transformation.

With these freshmen I cannot build my hopes for future as high as I could in the recent past.
I will welcome any improvement.
 
I’m not sure where a lot of the concern comes in. The freshmen aren’t playing because your team is so loaded with talent that you have a former AA coming off the bench. Honestly there isn’t room for them on this year’s roster to make an impact. Yeah they’re taking time to adjust, but Geno makes statements like this almost every year or two.

Freshman regularly struggle or take time to develop at Connecticut. We’ve seen it over and over again where players will be in Geno’s dog house and things eventually click for them, and they make massive improvements. It just happened this last off season with Dangerfield making strides, and the year before that we saw Williams and Collier make massive improvements. I doubt anyone expected Chong, Gabby Williams, Stef Dolson, Moriah Jefferson, and several other UCONN players to develop into the seniors they’d become if you saw them as freshmen. Give them time before worrying about them.

For anyone worried about players transferring, keep in mind it is incredibly rare for a player with a future at UCONN to transfer. The only example I can think of is Samarie Walker leaving mid year as a freshman. All other transfers were players who recognized they’d never contribute during important games.

Now, for anyone who is saying recruiting is getting harder, UCONN is missing out on post recruits, etc, keep in mind you have the #5 recruit coming in next year who is a post, and it sounds like you’re in the mix for several in 2019.

Next year you’ll have three #1 recruits on the roster, plus Dangerfield, Stevens, Collier, and a top 5 freshman coming in. No need to worry about racking up another likely undefeated season.

The year after you’ll still have 2 top recruits, Dangerfield, ONO, any players from the 2019 haul, and the currrent freshmen will be juniors, and will likely be much better by that point.

Teams that do need to worry are ones who over rely on one player (like South Carolina) or who graduate massive classes (Notre Dame in 2019-20, Mississippi State next year) without an influx of talent to replace them. UCONN always lands 1-2 quality kids from each class (usually including a #1 recruit), and as a result, the cupboard isn’t going to be bare until they stop doing so.
 
With regards to the future demise of the UConn program... We have been spoiled, of that there can be no doubt. What we as UConn fans have experienced has been nothing short of pampered, privileged and envied. Really, being able to say that our alumni list contains Diana Taurasi, Sue Bird, Maya Moore and Breanna Stewart by itself is enough to fit the above description but then you throw in the rest from the post 1993 era: Rebecca Lobo, Jamelle Elliot, Jen Rizzotti, Pam Webber, Kara Wolters, Nykesha Sales, Carla Berube, Rita Williams, Svetlana Abrosimnova, Shea Ralph, Asjha Jones, Swin Cash, Tamika Williams, Tina Charles, Barbara Turner, Anne Strother, Morgan Tuck, Moriah Jefferson, Stefanie Dolson, Renee Montgomery, Bria Hartley, Kaleena Mosqueda-Lewis, Kelly Schumacher, Ketia Swanier, Ashley Battle, Maria Conlon, Jessica Moore, Willnet Crockett, Nicole Wolff, Mel Thomas, Kalana Greene, and yes...Charde Houston (who maybe didn't live up to expectations but, had some very important and timely good moments at UConn), Kelly Faris, Tiffany Hayes, Saniya Chong...which brings us to NOW: Katie Lou Samuelson, Kia Nurse, Gabby Williams, Napheesa Collier, Azura Stevens, Crystal Dangerfield, our transfer: Batouly Camara, our sophomores: Kyra Irwin, Molly Bent, and our newbies: Megan Walker, Mikayla Combs and Alexis Gordon.

Are you kidding me...we have been treated to a plethora of talent over a generation of time...that is the envy of the entire college women's basketball universe. We have been blessed with great coaches, a university that supports the women's game and a fan base that is second to none. Is it even fair to expect this to continue? For our basketball socialist it is a dream, goal and in some cases a life's work to spread the wealth. Some say it is good for the game and no one would deny the truth behind that statement, however, I would argue that UConn's excellence and consistency is not bad for the game at all... Every sport needs a rabbit to chase, a trend setter, a pace setter if you will, an example that everyone strives to imitate and surpass. UConn has been that. The fact that Geno and Chris have been there for the whole ride will eventually go down as probably the best coaching duo in history. Will this come to an end? Possibly. See my entropy post above.

However, I would suggest that UConn (Geno/Daly) era will come to an end and UConn as we know her will also come to an end. However, depending on who comes in to coach, how they define their mission, how much does the university support the mission post Geno and how engaged the fan base stays will determine if there is a drop off in recruiting talent and hence quality of play. It will always be a challenge to convince kids that moving to the farmlands of Storrs is a better decision that the pristine, scenic environment of Palo Alto but, Geno, et al. have proven it is possible...so, we can all dream...why not?

Now onto our freshmen class...are our memories that short? Don't you remember how much our fan base and those here on the Boneyard were saying that of everyone in the class of 2017-2018 we had to have Megan Walker. She was a must get, a once in a life-time player...some said she played above the rim...of course, we haven't seen that yet. But, she was a must get talent...and we all stood with abated breathe wondering if she would choose UConn. When she finally did, we were all relieved and thought, Wow! We're all set for 4 more years. But, our fortunes got richer and richer...with Mikayla Combs...the speedy point guard who would be a back-up for Crystal. Then the two transfers A-Z and Batouly...another big Wow!!! Espinosa Hunter, another 3 point shooter and Lexi Gordon...who everybody wanted to play with and who would help recruit other players to UConn. So, we lost Espinosa-Hunter, for whatever the reasons...but think about it the remaining five are still one of the best incoming classes in the nation. Yes, Megan has yet to live up to her ranking...but, her minutes and opportunities to overcome her freshmen mistakes have not been there...partly because of her inability to break through on a consistent basis (we have seen glimpses of what she can be) and the rest of the freshmen bench hasn't shown the kind of growth that we would like to see.

To that end I say let's see what the sophomore jump brings us. There is going to be an uptick in minutes for this group next year and that is bound to pay dividends. We also have a fine group of freshmen coming in next season... As has been mentioned before "the sky is not falling". We still have the best coaches in the country and we are bringing back four All American players with a boat-load of talent behind them. I say we are a long way off from hearing the "fat lady singing".
 
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I’m not sure where a lot of the concern comes in. The freshmen aren’t playing because your team is so loaded with talent that you have a former AA coming off the bench. Honestly there isn’t room for them on this year’s roster to make an impact. Yeah they’re taking time to adjust, but Geno makes statements like this almost every year or two.

I suppose it's easier if you're not a fan of the team in question? I don't doubt Geno's ability to win games with superior talent. This time next year, I suspect we will be talking about Walker's All-American candidacy. Yes, losing Collier, Stevens, and KLS will be a big blow, but by that time Walker will be a junior, Williams will be a sophomore and UConn will have two superstar wings to build around. As much as I would like UConn to fall back to the pack, I don't see it happening.

Teams that do need to worry are ones who over rely on one player (like South Carolina) or who graduate massive classes (Notre Dame in 2019-20, Mississippi State next year) without an influx of talent to replace them. UCONN always lands 1-2 quality kids from each class (usually including a #1 recruit), and as a result, the cupboard isn’t going to be bare until they stop doing so.

Can confirm, I am worried. Losing Mabrey, Ogunbowale, Shepard, and Turner all at once is going to be rough.
 
At some point, after Geno retires, UConn WBB will likely go the way of LaTech and Old Dominion. There will be no reason for recruits to come to Storrs when Geno and CD retire. Also, being in the AAC and not being in a P5 conference will really hurt recruiting. The end is coming, it's not a matter of "if" but "when".

Same thing for us here on this world...the end is coming, it's not a matter of "if" but "when". When that time arrives will there still be a P5 around...and not merge into a P4, P3 or a P2 conference?

While on subject of Power Conferences, I have to admit this is the first time I have seen this (watching last nights game)...like the Avis car rental commercial of old...the AAC tries harder. :rolleyes:

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I'm confident that barring injury, next year's team is going to be very good perhaps even great if the sophs pick it up and if the two freshmen can contribute something..................from then on the team's future is easy to see....................if UConn gets most of the recruits it's targeting in the 2019 and 2020 classes I think the outlook will be very bright indeed................if they don't then that's a problem
 
I suppose it's easier if you're not a fan of the team in question? I don't doubt Geno's ability to win games with superior talent. This time next year, I suspect we will be talking about Walker's All-American candidacy. Yes, losing Collier, Stevens, and KLS will be a big blow, but by that time Walker will be a junior, Williams will be a sophomore and UConn will have two superstar wings to build around. As much as I would like UConn to fall back to the pack, I don't see it happening.



Can confirm, I am worried. Losing Mabrey, Ogunbowale, Shepard, and Turner all at once is going to be rough.


ND and UConn are fighting over several of the same program changing players..............who ever comes out on top is going to have a real qualitative advantage in the next few years............
 
If UConn adds Ezi to ONO and Williams, I see 4 straight NC's ahead. What we should really worry about is a black hole showing up and sucking the earth into it. Then 30-win seasons will be over.

OK..................which team has a black hole for a mascot????????.........;)
 
Heck I can only hope to look that good when I'm 63!!!
Geno has a lot more hair than me and I’m 62. Maybe it’s not so much how old he looks, but the weariness he seems to be carrying around with him this season.
 
For the last few years I’ve noticed these kinds of panicky threads popping up around this time of year.. followed by just another undefeated regular season. Ho hum.

Are you guys really worried? I know I’m not the only non-Husky that would LOVE to have UConn’s roster for next year and the year after... if y’all don’t think Megan Walker is that good then can we have her? Pretty please!?

If anything, I think Williams will be a BIG loss after this season. Night in and night out, she’s the player on that roster that typically separates UConn from other teams.. a lot of teams have a knock down shooter, a lot of teams have mobile forward, a lot of teams have good point guards.... but 99.9% of the other teams don’t have a Gabby Williams. She affects the game in so many ways that don’t end up on the stat sheet.

But even with that loss... you still have Samuelson, Collier, Stevens as seniors. THATS HUGE. All 3 will likely be AA caliber and I imagine Dangerfield and Walker will enter the conversation as well.

Don’t even talk to me about recruiting... I’ll take Williams and Nelson-Ododa in a heartbeat. Both are players that I’m pretty sure would be Gamecocks if Geno had said “nah” instead... and in 2019, you’ll probably get Brunelle (I’m just gonna accept the fact that #1 recruits go to UConn for the most part) and another top 10 recruit. The Huskies reload, they don’t rebuild.

And y’all have the nerve to be worried.... I AM WORRIED.. we lose 1 of the most decorated players in SEC history after this season. Sure, I think our freshman Jackson and Grissett look better than most freshman .. but that’s because they get serious minutes. Jackson is a starter.. so she’s pretty much a year ahead of most in her class right now.. and our backcourt shows major promise for next season.. but still, losing Wilson will be huge. MSU loses 4 of their 5 starters and their bench doesn’t blow me away but I think they’ll still be good.

I will say this. After this season, I don’t think there’s any kind of significant talent gap between UConn and a few other programs.. UConn usually has a transcendent player on roster and next year I don’t see one either.. but y’all went undefeated this year without a transcendent player. On paper, Texas and Baylor look like goliaths heading into next season.. but I have reason to believe UConn will beat both.
 
SCGamecock, thanks for your thoughts. I believe ND will be reloading with their injured players back in the saddle. Turner and Shepherd will be a duo that will provide "opportunities" for most teams.
 
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