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easttexastrash said:
SC is still building its program. DS is recruiting well and I have not doubt they will be a top 5 team for years to come. Their time is coming and players will want to be a part of it.
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Actually I don't think that Dawn is recruiting players out of HS very well. Or were you considering her recruitment of transfer players? Clearly, she's has done very well acquiring top talent through the transfer route (Alisha Gray, Kaela Davis, Sarah Imbovioh, and perhaps Azura?) but she has really struggled after that landmark 2014 class that featured A'ja Wilson, Jatari White, Kaydra Duckett, Bianca Cuevas, and Doniyah Cliney. Of those, the first 4 received 5 stars from Hoopgurlz inflated star system, corresponding to rankings #1, #7, 32, #35, and unranked. But since then:

They have lost Duckett and White to transfers and their recruiting has been subpar:

2015 class
Shay Colley (unranked), and has since transferred

2016 class
Araion Bradshaw (#32)
Mikiah Harrigan (#74)
Victoria Patrick (unranked)

Patrick just verballed today which suggests that they may not be looking good for Tyasha Harris, who is supposed to announce her college choice today, which was down to South Carolina, Michigan State, and Iowa. The worst part of this for South Carolina is that PG is very much a position of need for the Gamecocks.
 
Fightin Choke said:
Actually I don't think that Dawn is recruiting players out of HS very well. Or were you considering her recruitment of transfer players? Clearly, she's has done very well acquiring top talent through the transfer route (Alisha Gray, Kaela Davis, Sarah Imbovioh, and perhaps Azura?) but she has really struggled after that landmark 2014 class that featured A'ja Wilson, Jatari White, Kaydra Duckett, Bianca Cuevas, and Doniyah Cliney. Of those, the first 4 received 5 stars from Hoopgurlz inflated star system, corresponding to rankings #1, #7, 32, #35, and unranked. But since then:

They have lost Duckett and White to transfers and their recruiting has been subpar:

2015 class
Shay Colley (unranked), and has since transferred

2016 class
Araion Bradshaw (#32)
Mikiah Harrigan (#74)
Victoria Patrick (unranked)

Patrick just verballed today which suggests that they may not be looking good for Tyasha Harris, who is supposed to announce her college choice today, which was down to South Carolina, Michigan State, and Iowa. The worst part of this for South Carolina is that PG is very much a position of need for the Gamecocks.
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Patrick just SIGNED today, being day one of Spring Signing Period and all. She actually verballed a month or two ago. I also think her decision has no bearing on Harris, she may still go elsewhere, but I doubt it's because of Patrick signing today. SC has plenty of space on roster with 5 graduations and 2 defections. Patrick is here to spell Gray/Davis at 2 and 3 with her scoring ability... Harris is needed for point guard.

Everything else is about right. Thumbs up.
 
mdakota said:
That's really not a fair statement... She's a Husky... that's all that should matter...
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I think you are confusing his statement. He wished that the Huskies accepted MORE transfers. He stated that the fact that she transferred in was the aberration, not Natalie herself!
 
SCGamecock said:
Patrick just SIGNED today, being day one of Spring Signing Period and all. She actually verballed a month or two ago. I also think her decision has no bearing on Harris, she may still go elsewhere, but I doubt it's because of Patrick signing today. SC has plenty of space on roster with 5 graduations and 2 defections. Patrick is here to spell Gray/Davis at 2 and 3 with her scoring ability... Harris is needed for point guard.

Everything else is about right. Thumbs up.
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You are correct, and Tyasha Harris DOES indeed sign with South Carolina, filling a position of need with a top-notch talent. It's a great day for the Gamecocks!
 
I'm not as big a Dawn fan as some others.
For a champion point guard, one might expect better development for that position on her team.
And mediocre guard play has surely effected the overall quality of the team's play.
For all the gifted scorers on the team, they sure don't score much.
I would think she's gotten to a decent point and perhaps plateaued.
Talent and size can get you just so far.
I'll be more positive when she has a National Championship or two on her resume.
But I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't quite get there.
 
SC's guard play will get better simply because she's upgraded the talent there. We've actually done more with less considering our guard talent.. Mitchell wasn't even a McDAA..

Our first McDAA in a while (probably in program history) at guard was Bianca Cuevas. Think about what Dawn was able to do to this point with minimal guard talent.

Next year.. she trades Tiffany Mitchell, Khadijah Sessions, Tina Roy, Asia Dozier for... Kaela Davis, Alisha Gray, Bianca Cuevas, Doniyah Cliney, Araion Bradshaw, Tyasha Harris, and Victoria Patrick.

So in roughly an offseason, she goes from graduating a senior class with no AAs and 1(?) top 50 player in Tiffany Mitchell.. to now having a backcourt with TWO (still not a lot) McDAAs (Davis/Cuevas), THREE players that could've been McDAAs (Gray, Harris, Bradshaw) and steady players in Cliney, who was still a top 100 player, and Patrick, who I suspect is underrated.

As usual, critiques are great but let's see how Dawn does with players other schools actually wanted..
 
HardHatGuy#2 said:
Let's not forget that Columbia is a BEAUTIFUL campus, and an excellent University. It is in the SEC (SEC Football!) with an incredible stadium, the weather is FAB...South Carolina has a LOT going for it.

One of these days Coach Staley will figure out how to win the big games, and how to get the most out of her players. Just be glad that Jeff Walz doesn't have her recruiting prowess (yet).
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Take Connecticut weather over SC any day. If you like hot and really humid 4 or 5 months per year OK. No extremes of weather in CT.
 
easttexastrash said:
I guess their coaches become more experienced every year.
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I think Dawn will learn from any mistakes she made the last two years, if in fact she made any. SC is coming together for sure. However, after looking at the players tOS, Baylor and ND has coming in next season, SC will have much more than UCONN to overcome. They may be more talented than before yet still not win a NC before Wilson graduates.
 
LIUCHusky said:
Take Connecticut weather over SC any day. If you like hot and really humid 4 or 5 months per year OK. No extremes of weather in CT.
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:eek: No extremes in weather? It snows in APRIL for Christ sakes.. I know this because I live in Connecticut now and it snowed like a week ago.. :rolleyes:

SC weather is no picnic either, if you can stand brutally humid 5 month summers (it gets hot in CT too) then the rest of the year is a breeze relatively speaking...

Connecticut has a humid continental climate which is literally the definition of extremes; hot summers/cold winters.

South Carolina has a humid subtropical climate; hot summers/mild winters.

Take your pick, there's a flavor for everyone! :D
 
mdakota said:
That's really not a fair statement... She's a Husky... that's all that should matter...
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Sorry..............I meant no criticism of Ms Butler I was stating that her transfer was an aberation as in an unlikely event
 
Fightin Choke said:
I think you are confusing his statement. He wished that the Huskies accepted MORE transfers. He stated that the fact that she transferred in was the aberration, not Natalie herself!
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Thanks for that although come to think of it, Butler is a 6'5" center.........now that is an aberration when it comes to recent UConn signings!!!!!
 
Harris is a great get. IF they can get Azura Stevens, then it puts a lot less pressure on Dawn to land a monster 2017 class to stay in the top 5-10. When Wilson/Gray/Davis leaves, they would still have Stevens (RS-Sr), Harris (Jr), and whoever they get in 2017 will be a Sophomore and any 2018 freshman.
 
msf22b said:
I'm not as big a Dawn fan as some others.
For a champion point guard, one might expect better development for that position on her team.
And mediocre guard play has surely effected the overall quality of the team's play.
For all the gifted scorers on the team, they sure don't score much.
I would think she's gotten to a decent point and perhaps plateaued.
Talent and size can get you just so far.
I'll be more positive when she has a National Championship or two on her resume.
But I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't quite get there.
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you have to realize when you are discussing guard play, that Tiffany Mitchell is part of the equation.

I do agree that the level of play at PG has not been good enough to win a title. It has been good enough to secure three #1 seeds in a row however.

It's a bit odd that Staley's PGs have been the achilles heel, especially when you consider that a major strength of her initial building teams was in the backcourt and at PG.

I think maybe Sessions didn't quite develop offensively like they thought she might and Cuevas really did nothing to push her this past year.

I think between Tyasha Harris and Patrick and Bradshaw, you might see a more complete PG emerge. And I think Cuevas probably has it in her to be pretty good. Whether she gets there or not I don't know. She didn't make much progress this year. But the job is clearly right there for her and she will be surrounded by really good talent.

Chemistry next year will be interesting to see. A lot of players who weren't as talented but filled their role quietly have left in the last couple of years. More talented players are replacing them (arguably) but will it come together?
 
SCGamecock said:
SC's guard play will get better simply because she's upgraded the talent there. We've actually done more with less considering our guard talent.. Mitchell wasn't even a McDAA..

Our first McDAA in a while (probably in program history) at guard was Bianca Cuevas. Think about what Dawn was able to do to this point with minimal guard talent.

Next year.. she trades Tiffany Mitchell, Khadijah Sessions, Tina Roy, Asia Dozier for... Kaela Davis, Alisha Gray, Bianca Cuevas, Doniyah Cliney, Araion Bradshaw, Tyasha Harris, and Victoria Patrick.

So in roughly an offseason, she goes from graduating a senior class with no AAs and 1(?) top 50 player in Tiffany Mitchell.. to now having a backcourt with TWO (still not a lot) McDAAs (Davis/Cuevas), THREE players that could've been McDAAs (Gray, Harris, Bradshaw) and steady players in Cliney, who was still a top 100 player, and Patrick, who I suspect is underrated.

As usual, critiques are great but let's see how Dawn does with players other schools actually wanted..
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I'm not sure I can cosign this. Regardless of where she was ranked Tiffany became SEC POY TWICE. Sessions gave you relentless on ball defense that was probably second only to MoJeff in the nation. I just don't see from among this group of guards the potential to achieve 1/2 of the sessions contribution or Tiffany's accomplishments.
 
CocoHusky said:
I'm not sure I can cosign this. Regardless of where she was ranked Tiffany became SEC POY TWICE. Sessions gave you relentless on ball defense that was probably second only to MoJeff in the nation. I just don't see from among this group of guards the potential to achieve 1/2 of the sessions contribution or Tiffany's accomplishments.
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I agree losing an All American is a big deal. But you are replacing Mitchell and Asia Dozier with two players who were all conference in the ACC and who are very experienced with a year in the system. Dozier was a senior and a player who understood her role, but not someone who was particularly effective. The two for two trade might be a wash or slightly to USC's favor. Just sort of depends how the teams comes together.

At PG, I tend to agree from past performance Cuevas is a step down from Sessions, but it is also possible that she did not push to take on the role because it was clear she would not unseat the senior. Sessions had a very underrated season, though it was a shame her tentativeness and shotmaking was a big problem in the loss to Syracuse. As an Achilles heel, Sessions was good enough for a team to win 30 games playing a strong schedule. Not so bad.

I'm not big on freshman PGs, but Tyasha Harris probably has a chance to be special also.
 
Gamecockfan77 said:
I agree losing an All American is a big deal. But you are replacing Mitchell and Asia Dozier with two players who were all conference in the ACC and who are very experienced with a year in the system. Dozier was a senior and a player who understood her role, but not someone who was particularly effective. The two for two trade might be a wash or slightly to USC's favor. Just sort of depends how the teams comes together.

At PG, I tend to agree from past performance Cuevas is a step down from Sessions, but it is also possible that she did not push to take on the role because it was clear she would not unseat the senior. Sessions had a very underrated season, though it was a shame her tentativeness and shotmaking was a big problem in the loss to Syracuse. As an Achilles heel, Sessions was good enough for a team to win 30 games playing a strong schedule. Not so bad.

I'm not big on freshman PGs, but Tyasha Harris probably has a chance to be special also.
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I agree with you on most points. But mark my words if you get the GT Davis you will severely miss and appreciate Dozier. If by chance you are seated anywhere (allow for at least 150 feet) near Davis's mother start working on getting new seats like today!
 
LIUCHusky said:
Take Connecticut weather over SC any day. If you like hot and really humid 4 or 5 months per year OK. No extremes of weather in CT.
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It's simple; you pack a change of clothes and some pit stick in your bag. Walk to classes until you sweat one set out, change, then the next bunch of classes. It's only that bad during summer semesters, anyway.

On top of that, when it snows (rarely), most of the students have NO IDEA how to make a snowball. By the time they figure it out, they look like snowmen.
 
CocoHusky said:
I agree with you on most points. But mark my words if you get the GT Davis you will severely miss and appreciate Dozier. If by chance you are seated anywhere (allow for at least 150 feet) near Davis's mother start working on getting new seats like today!
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Meh. Maybe.. but Dozier was an offensive liability if there ever was one. She never shoots... you know it's bad when you're wide open and you still refuse to shoot, the crowd is screaming at you to shoot it, but instead you pass it to triple coverage in the paint. I appreciate the demeanor and sense of calm she brought to the court... but her actual gameplay will probably be the last thing I miss about her.

I hope teams leave Davis and Gray open just as much as they left Sessions and Dozier open.
 
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