fwiw: PT Minutes Uconn, SCar and Stanford

[visitingcock]

Here's a comparison of how three experienced coaches distribute minutes. I have only included players who play approximately more than 10 minutes per game.

​	​	​	​	Minutes​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​
TOT​	AVG​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​
22	Brink, Cameron ​	7	6	154	22.0
30	Jones, Haley ​	6	4	177	29.5
12	Hull, Lexie ​	7	7	205	29.3
05	Belibi, Francesca ​	7	1	95	13.6
33	Jump, Hannah ​	7	2	153	21.9
21	Demetre, Brooke ​	6	0	59	9.8
11	Prechtel, Ashten ​	6	3	80	13.3
24	Hull, Lacie ​	7	6	195	27.9
	​
03	Wilson, Anna ​	7	6	115	16.4

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GP​	GS​	Minutes​		​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​
TOT​	AVG​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​
04	Boston, Aliyah ​	9	9	209	23.2
03	Henderson, Destanni ​	8	8	222	27.8
01	Cooke, Zia ​	9	9	233	25.9
15	Amihere, Laeticia ​	9	1	176	19.6
10	Cardoso, Kamilla ​	9	0	148	16.4
12	Beal, Brea ​	9	9	199	22.1
05	Saxton, Victaria ​	9	9	173	19.2
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11	Littleton, Destiny ​	9	0	95	10.6
02	Russell, Eniya ​	7	0	74	10.6
23	Hall, Bree ​	9	0	89	9.9
44	Rivers, Saniya ​	5	0	80	16.0

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UCONN

05	Bueckers, Paige	6	6	218	36.3
13	Williams, Christyn	6	6	210	35.0
22	Westbrook, Evina	6	6	182	30.3
20	Nelson-Ododa, Olivia	6	6	172	28.7
03	Edwards, Aaliyah	6	6	136	22.7
35	Fudd, Azzi	4	0	78	19.5
14	Juhász, Dorka	6	0	94	15.7

 

[UConnCat]

Not much.

 

[UcMiami]

Oops - you left out Nika at 10.5 min/gm.
Interesting to note that for South Carolina the classes for the top eight listed are 3 seniors 4 juniors and a soph Cardosa - very different balance of classes on that team. For Uconn all the available upper classmen are getting meaningful minutes, plus 3 sophomores and a freshman. In fact, Uconn's top two freshmen Fudd and CD are averaging 27.2 minutes while SC's two are averaging 25.9.

Meanwhile Stanford plays 1 sixth yr player, 2 seniors, 4 juniors, and 1 soph and 1 freshman.

When Uconn gets its one junior healthy I suspect she will get 10+ minutes per game. And I suspect CD will get more minutes as she gets comfortable. I'm not sure about Mir, and it appears both Piath and DeBerry aren't ready yet.

 

[visitingcock]

Oops - you left out Nika at 10.5 min/gm.
Interesting to note that for South Carolina the classes for the top eight listed are 3 seniors 4 juniors and a soph Cardosa - very different balance of classes on that team. For Uconn all the available upper classmen are getting meaningful minutes, plus 3 sophomores and a freshman. In fact, Uconn's top two freshmen Fudd and CD are averaging 27.2 minutes while SC's two are averaging 25.9.

Meanwhile Stanford plays 1 sixth yr player, 2 seniors, 4 juniors, and 1 soph and 1 freshman.

When Uconn gets its one junior healthy I suspect she will get 10+ minutes per game. And I suspect CD will get more minutes as she gets comfortable. I'm not sure about Mir, and it appears both Piath and DeBerry aren't ready yet.

Yeah, I see CD's minutes as rising significantly over the next 5 games.

 

[Charliebball]

If my lousy math is correct, South Carolina's three starting guards average 8.60 minutes per game less than UConn's ........ that's over four hours less playing time over the course of 30 games.........the starting centers, South Carolina's averages 5.5 less minutes per start than UConn's....that's 2.75 hours less playing time over thirty games.....these numbers may change during the course of the season but it seems pretty clear that Dawn places far more value getting her entire team on the court even at the expense of the starter's minutes.......do you think recruits recognize and appreciate this?

 

[TCC Kid]

Here's a comparison of how three experienced coaches distribute minutes. I have only included players who play approximately more than 10 minutes per game.

​	​	​	​	Minutes​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​
TOT​	AVG​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​
22	Brink, Cameron ​	7	6	154	22.0
30	Jones, Haley ​	6	4	177	29.5
12	Hull, Lexie ​	7	7	205	29.3
05	Belibi, Francesca ​	7	1	95	13.6
33	Jump, Hannah ​	7	2	153	21.9
21	Demetre, Brooke ​	6	0	59	9.8
11	Prechtel, Ashten ​	6	3	80	13.3
24	Hull, Lacie ​	7	6	195	27.9
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03	Wilson, Anna ​	7	6	115	16.4

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GP​	GS​	Minutes​		​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​
TOT​	AVG​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​
04	Boston, Aliyah ​	9	9	209	23.2
03	Henderson, Destanni ​	8	8	222	27.8
01	Cooke, Zia ​	9	9	233	25.9
15	Amihere, Laeticia ​	9	1	176	19.6
10	Cardoso, Kamilla ​	9	0	148	16.4
12	Beal, Brea ​	9	9	199	22.1
05	Saxton, Victaria ​	9	9	173	19.2
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11	Littleton, Destiny ​	9	0	95	10.6
02	Russell, Eniya ​	7	0	74	10.6
23	Hall, Bree ​	9	0	89	9.9
44	Rivers, Saniya ​	5	0	80	16.0

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UCONN

05	Bueckers, Paige	6	6	218	36.3
13	Williams, Christyn	6	6	210	35.0
22	Westbrook, Evina	6	6	182	30.3
20	Nelson-Ododa, Olivia	6	6	172	28.7
03	Edwards, Aaliyah	6	6	136	22.7
35	Fudd, Azzi	4	0	78	19.5
14	Juhász, Dorka	6	0	94	15.7

SC friend, nice collection of data. The one, probably among others, missing element is: Quality, Experience, Abilities, of those playing 20 minutes or more vs those playing 4 or less. Humans to human comparisons are among the most difficult to make. Humans, are not machines, so prediction is harder to make. Some characteristics have been tracked and analyzed for years and still we can't build that perfect clone.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

Let me include 3 additional numbers to your post: 11, 3, 1.

What I infer is that Tara an Dawn should try harder to adopt Geno's time distribution patterns.

 

[TC22]

Let me include 3 additional numbers to your post: 11, 3, 1.

What I infer is that Tara an Dawn should try harder to adopt Geno's time distribution patterns.

Or you could look at these 3 numbers instead... 0, 1, 1.

 

[Charliebball]

Let me include 3 additional numbers to your post: 11, 3, 1.

What I infer is that Tara an Dawn should try harder to adopt Geno's time distribution patterns.

maybe consider 4-5-2016........

 

[RegisteredUconn]

Or you could look at these 3 numbers instead... 0, 1, 1.

Cherry pick the data! I like it!!

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

Let me include 3 additional numbers to your post: 11, 3, 1.

What I infer is that Tara an Dawn should try harder to adopt Geno's time distribution patterns.

Isn't Geno 17 years older than Dawn?

 

[UcMiami]

Or 13, 8, 3
(FF since 2008)

Interesting that Stanford has been to 8 in 13 years - they had a run of 5 to start with the O sisters

 

[visitingcock]

Sorry my posting of stats has turned into a flame war.

Shut it down @HuskyNan

 

[CL82]

Sorry my posting of stats has turned into a flame war.

Shut it down @HuskyNan

My new mental image is @visitingcock

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

Sorry my posting of stats has turned into a flame war.

Shut it down @HuskyNan

 

[TeamFirst!]

I think Geno's reluctance to play the full roster does potentially affect recruitment but it may be a positive with some players as well as a negative with others. The bottom line is does it help us win in March? I think not. It might make the starters even more in shape but it can also wear them out and make them more inclined to injury. I don't think there is much of a drop off, if any, in playing Dorka and CD more. Giving both players 25 minutes or so would solve a lot of problems and optimize better for March. Our best shot is actually to be more of a 3 point shooting team, with a strong focus on rebounding more. Let's be honest. South Carolina has much better athletes. Bigger, stronger, faster athletes. More depth. We are going to need a strong outside shooting team to beat them and much better rebounding on top of everything good we are doing now defensively...etc. We can't have so many turnovers and a lot of that goes away if we are not constantly looking for give and goes. We need to dramatically cut the turnovers and rebound more with continued good shooting in order to beat South Carolina. Boston is something like 20-22 shooting in the last 2 games folks. Saniya Rivers is a solid player we have barely seen so far but she is becoming important to them. Amihere is looking like Magic Johnson as a point guard. They are a very deep, quality team.

 

[meyers7]

If my lousy math is correct, South Carolina's three starting guards average 8.60 minutes per game less than UConn's ........ that's over four hours less playing time over the course of 30 games.........the starting centers, South Carolina's averages 5.5 less minutes per start than UConn's....that's 2.75 hours less playing time over thirty games.....these numbers may change during the course of the season but it seems pretty clear that Dawn places far more value getting her entire team on the court even at the expense of the starter's minutes.......do you think recruits recognize and appreciate this?

I'm not sure that it upsets the SC starters. I mean I probably wouldn't be happy getting less minutes, but they seem ok with it.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

Isn't Geno 17 years older than Dawn?

So we agree.

 

[visitingcock]

SC friend, nice collection of data. The one, probably among others, missing element is: Quality, Experience, Abilities, of those playing 20 minutes or more vs those playing 4 or less. Humans to human comparisons are among the most difficult to make. Humans, are not machines, so prediction is harder to make. Some characteristics have been tracked and analyzed for years and still we can't build that perfect clone.

Oh, I do agree and am thankful that SkyNet hasn't taken over sports yet.

Nevertheless, the three coaches I compare here are humans and have different reasons for their actions.

It's pretty clear that Geno's bench use and Tara's are very different. Historically, Dawn's has been more like Geno's but we are seeing a shift this year. Probably because Dawn has more talent on the bench than ever before. I also think Dawn thinks that Stanford's 12 had more end-of-game strength than her 7/8 players last year. Furthermore, I think Geno started the season with more talent on his bench than in years past. (Prayers for Paige and Azzi).

Oh, to those who point out Geno's record of championships and FF appearances. Yes, it will never be rivaled but my purpose for using this year's stats is to compare this year. He may add another 'ship this year using his tried-and-true 8/9 player philosophy by having hardened core of warriors by tournament time.

Nothing in my original post suggests that Geno's system is inferior to Tara's. It is a comparison without judgment.

 

[Charliebball]

I'm not sure that it upsets the SC starters. I mean I probably wouldn't be happy getting less minutes, but they seem ok with it.

as long as they win using this strategy I assume most will be satisfied

 

[meyers7]

as long as they win using this strategy I assume most will be satisfied

Exactly. So I'm not sure why people have problems with Geno's bench. ???

 

[eebmg]

If my lousy math is correct, South Carolina's three starting guards average 8.60 minutes per game less than UConn's ........ that's over four hours less playing time over the course of 30 games.........the starting centers, South Carolina's averages 5.5 less minutes per start than UConn's....that's 2.75 hours less playing time over thirty games.....these numbers may change during the course of the season but it seems pretty clear that Dawn places far more value getting her entire team on the court even at the expense of the starter's minutes.......do you think recruits recognize and appreciate this?

Lets hear what Naphessa says on this topic.

If you think you can be among the best (which is who we want on our team), proving you deserve minutes is a good thing. And remember the front court she was competing with to get minutes

 

[RegisteredUconn]

Boy was that an eye opener. And all along I thought it was about how the game minutes were distributed.

 

[TC22]

If my lousy math is correct, South Carolina's three starting guards average 8.60 minutes per game less than UConn's ........ that's over four hours less playing time over the course of 30 games.........the starting centers, South Carolina's averages 5.5 less minutes per start than UConn's....that's 2.75 hours less playing time over thirty games.....these numbers may change during the course of the season but it seems pretty clear that Dawn places far more value getting her entire team on the court even at the expense of the starter's minutes.......do you think recruits recognize and appreciate this?

Dawn isn't putting people in just to put them in. Her philosophy is different from Geno though. She likes putting her players in game situations to see if they can perform. If they do, they'll get more PT. If not, their opportunities will dwindle. I will say I've never seen her play this many players in so many games as she has this year. The difference is these players are adding to the game in most instances. She's yanked a couple of them out fairly quickly too when they weren't doing what they needed to do.

 

[Charliebball]

Lets hear what Naphessa says on this topic.

If you think you can be among the best (which is who we want on our team), proving you deserve minutes is a good thing. And remember the front court she was competing with to get minutes

My complaint has zero to do with earning minutes............nobody disputes Napheesa's contention.............the best players deserve to start and to play the bulk of the minutes in a game.........it's about getting your best players some much needed rest and incorporating your best bench players into your offensive and defensive schemes during the important parts of a game if they're good enough but certainly in the last minutes of a game you are winning by a large margin.......the entire WBB world knows Geno hates to pull his starters even when the team is up by as many as 35 point plus at times and many believe he's doing it to run up the score.........I don't happen to believe that but regardless of his reasoning, we as fans have the right to question it as no other top WBB coaches that I have observed do this......