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For UConn’s Westbrook, the waiting is the hardest part

HuskeyinSC said:
For us who are latin illiterate:
Definition of omne ignotum pro magnifico est

: everything unknown is taken as grand : we exaggerate the importance or difficulty of the unknown
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Some may not fully appreciate the wisdom of these words because they begun in Latin. No truer or wiser words have been stated, written or spoken. That's why most have fear of the dark. Or the greener grass next door.
 
If they don't grant the waiver, she'll get more recovery/practice time and will no doubt be better for it in her remaining eligible years. As anxious as I am to see her play this year, I think I would rather see the 100% Evina in all of her UConn years.

I guess I'll be happy for Evina if the waiver is granted, but not overly disappointed if not.
 
Question: If Evina was healthy and ready to play would she be permitted to play in the exhibition games if:
1) she was denied a waiver to play this year, and/or
2) if no decision regarding her waiver had been made by game time
 
JavaMan said:
Question: If Evina was healthy and ready to play would she be permitted to play in the exhibition games if:
1) she was denied a waiver to play this year, and/or
2) if no decision regarding her waiver had been made by game time
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I am guessing here but I am assuming that the default position is that she is not eligible to play because of the 1 year sit out requirement. Until her waiver is decided, I doubt that she is eligible to play this season.I believe exhibitions are covered by the "sit out" requirement.
 
JavaMan said:
Question: If Evina was healthy and ready to play would she be permitted to play in the exhibition games if:
1) she was denied a waiver to play this year, and/or
2) if no decision regarding her waiver had been made by game time
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No to both.

Exhibition games are already underway and lots of teams have players with pending waiver requests. Karisma Ortiz of Texas (transfer from Penn State), for example, was on the bench last night but not in uniform.
 
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psconn said:
If they don't grant the waiver, she'll get more recovery/practice time and will no doubt be better for it in her remaining eligible years. As anxious as I am to see her play this year, I think I would rather see the 100% Evina in all of her UConn years.

I guess I'll be happy for Evina if the waiver is granted, but not overly disappointed if not.
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If she doesn't receive the waiver there is no guarantee that Westbrook will stay for all of her eligibility. It is conceivable that she would just play 1 year and leave with her original graduating class.
 
Plebe said:
No to both.

Exhibition games are already underway and lots of teams have players with pending waiver requests. Karisma Ortiz of Texas (transfer from Penn State), for example, was on the bench last night but not in uniform.
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Kind of odd how Shepard and Notre Dame received her waiver the day of their first exhibition game.
 
It’s Tuesday, 5 days before our first game of the season. I’m still waiting to hear something from the NCAA about Evina’s waiver. The silence is deafening. So we wait, and wait, and wait. I’d like to say I have a good feeling about this, but I don’t.

Good things come to those who wait and stay positive. :)
 
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BroadwayVa said:
Whether Evina is a Playmaker then a scorer or a scorer then a playmaker in either case Uconn wins---the kid has a great attitude and potential beyond belief. I dislike that the NCAA is going to punish and Orange because she became Blue and White--there is on other excuse for holding her out. He coach departed new coach--excuse to leave. She had personal issues and a hostile atmosphere---excuse to leave and either usually means immediate play. Or is it just me??
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I don't think she was enamored with the coach. Westbrook may be allowed to play but that won't be the reason.
 
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JavaMan said:
Question: If Evina was healthy and ready to play would she be permitted to play in the exhibition games if:
1) she was denied a waiver to play this year, and/or
2) if no decision regarding her waiver had been made by game time
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Java, great minds think alike. I was wandering the same thing. ;)
 
soxfan23 said:
If she doesn't receive the waiver there is no guarantee that Westbrook will stay for all of her eligibility. It is conceivable that she would just play 1 year and leave with her original graduating class.
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FYI.................It's also conceivable (but highly improbable) that as another poster suggested here on the heels of her announcement to transfer, that she could leave for the WNBA without playing a game at UConn. She's 21 years old now (September 28, 1998).

Taken from the official WNBA website: Q&A #17. Who’s eligible to be drafted?

"The league requires draft entrants to be at least 22 years old during the year in which the draft takes place and has no remaining college eligibility or renounces any future college eligibility."

Westbrook would qualify. She'll be 22 on September 28, 2020.
 
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soxfan23 said:
If she doesn't receive the waiver there is no guarantee that Westbrook will stay for all of her eligibility. It is conceivable that she would just play 1 year and leave with her original graduating class.
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She may play but 1 season in either case. She is draft eligible next May and if they tell her she will be a lottery pick she may decide to leave.
 
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Sluconn Husky said:
Been trying to figure that out for a while. Not sure what UConn is arguing.
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After I posted that I was hoping you'd not take it as an honest question and you did.n.t I appreciate that.
Whatever Uconn argued it is said and done and like us Geno and Evina. I'm a bit set back by some posters saying Evina could bolt to the W this year or next--hot dang, she'll just be warming up till then.
 
Sluconn Husky said:
Been trying to figure that out for a while. Not sure what UConn is arguing.
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All she has to do is say that the treatment she got from the fans after her comment made her feel unsafe. Violence in the workplace is a hot issue. I defended a couple of employees who did what I thought was non-threatening but the employees got a month suspension for actions that happened outside the workplace and on their own time. Zero tolerance. All the personnel people were concerned with was if the complainant was made to feel unsafe. Whether that was a reasonable reaction had no bearing.
 
If it was denied she would have been told before now. The fact that there is no decision is positive. The longer it takes the more that says that they are still undecided which is a good thing. Her request has some merit. Enough? Who knows. If as they stated somewhere that cases are doled out to 6 people then they need at some point to make sure there is consistency in their decisions. And if there are appeals then another group has to do the same exercise.
And remember the first rule of a bureaucracy is "never be in the same room as a decision. :)
 
You would think there is a legal precedent for the early awarding of a waiver! Parents might have a legal right to sue the NCAA as being denied her rights of any college student to participate!
Many decisions both by the College and the player are concerned if they are eligible now or not!
Does she become a focal point in practice or go with the players that ARE eligible and will definitely play.
By withholding the decision till the last minute really does hurt everyone concerned!
It just seems like an NCAA power-trip to hold these players in never-never land till the NCAA is ready to spread the news!
 
RSHERMVIKES said:
You would think there is a legal precedent for the early awarding of a waiver! Parents might have a legal right to sue the NCAA as being denied her rights of any college student to participate!
Many decisions both by the College and the player are concerned if they are eligible now or not!
Does she become a focal point in practice or go with the players that ARE eligible and will definitely play.
By withholding the decision till the last minute really does hurt everyone concerned!
It just seems like an NCAA power-trip to hold these players in never-never land till the NCAA is ready to spread the news!
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While a timely decision would be nice , the NCAA is an "association". To play in the association you have to agree to live by the rules of the association. The association "rule" is if you transfer you sit. The association also provides for exceptions to that rule. The rule about exceptions is that the NCAA gets to adjudicate it. Those are the rules and there is not much grounds for a lawsuit, because playing in the association is not a "right" it is an earned privilege for a select few.
Geno has already been on record as saying that preparation is definitely being impacted by the delayed decision.
 
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I wonder if the distractions/attacks/revisions on the NCAA "pay for play" stance are affecting the speed / results of the transfer waiver's.
 
RSHERMVIKES said:
You would think there is a legal precedent for the early awarding of a waiver! Parents might have a legal right to sue the NCAA as being denied her rights of any college student to participate!
Many decisions both by the College and the player are concerned if they are eligible now or not!
Does she become a focal point in practice or go with the players that ARE eligible and will definitely play.
By withholding the decision till the last minute really does hurt everyone concerned!
It just seems like an NCAA power-trip to hold these players in never-never land till the NCAA is ready to spread the news!
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I take it from one who know. Thank you Coach. I don't have your years of coaching but I too thought that it is unfair to all concerned to wait until the last minute. We have less than one week before the FIRST EXHIBITION game. I doubt even the NCAA would go beyond that.
Decisions are difficult or not so difficult or easy all they take is for a few authorities to consult on the WAIVER and make a decision. As said above--she had threats against her, she has a coach quit and a new coach (I thought that was a reason to transfer)
If not a POWER TRIP AS you say--why hold up the decision. If not for the recovering of injury/surgery she'd have a case for legal redress.
 
BroadwayVa said:
If not a POWER TRIP AS you say--why hold up the decision. If not for the recovering of injury/surgery she'd have a case for legal redress.
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Don't think this is a power trip at all. Where is the "power" in holding up a decision for a few women to play college basketball. I think the delay reflects two things as someone previously stated: 1) The NCAA is understaffed compared to the number of request. 2) WCBB has clearly been relegated to the "bottom" of the pile of requests.
I bet if the UCONN men were as highly ranked as the women and had a request in that pile it would have been decided upon by now.
 
CocoHusky said:
While a timely decision would be nice , the NCAA is an "association". To play in the association you have to agree to live by the rules of the association. The association "rule" is if you transfer you sit. The association also provides for exceptions to that rule. The rule about exceptions is that the NCAA gets to adjudicate it. Those are the rules and there is not much grounds for a lawsuit, because playing in the association is not a "right" it is an earned privilege for a select few.
Geno has already been on record as saying that preparation is definitely being impacted by the delayed decision.
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@CocoHusky I must agree and also have a different slant on the Association rulings. Nothing says I am right, just a different view.
I guess I was military too young and I see things black or white, no grays (usually) so says my psychologist daughter. I understand what you say about the ASSOCIATION. Usually that is my view if you belong to a church or club, or association you agree to abide by the Association rules. That's my normal view.
However, even Associations must deliver fair and standard/normal decisions. Once a Shephard decision was made that became the exception to the rule and as such is now available to other College players. If a no decision or a negative decision is delivered that effects the long term career of the individual as her coach or her parent I'd try the legal step to a positive solution. To me the hangup for Westbrook is her health too impacts her delay in playing and therefore her long term career. No Suit.
 
Remember, waiver petitions go through a 2-step process. After an initial decision by NCAA staff (mostly denials), the next step is to appeal to the Committee for Legislative Relief. As mentioned in another thread, the committee members are not NCAA employees:

If the waiver is denied, an institution can appeal the decision to the NCAA Division I Committee for Legislative Relief. That group includes seven voting members made up of Division I athletic department, compliance and conference officials from around the country.

Although the NCAA is responsible for the process, the decisions are being made by people who have day jobs.
 
BroadwayVa said:
@CocoHusky I must agree and also have a different slant on the Association rulings. Nothing says I am right, just a different view.
I guess I was military too young and I see things black or white, no grays (usually) so says my psychologist daughter. I understand what you say about the ASSOCIATION. Usually that is my view if you belong to a church or club, or association you agree to abide by the Association rules. That's my normal view.
However, even Associations must deliver fair and standard/normal decisions. Once a Shephard decision was made that became the exception to the rule and as such is now available to other College players. If a no decision or a negative decision is delivered that effects the long term career of the individual as her coach or her parent I'd try the legal step to a positive solution. To me the hangup for Westbrook is her health too impacts her delay in playing and therefore her long term career. No Suit.
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This is America and I'm sure you can find some lawyer to take the case. Another NCAA rule (policy/practice really) is that the decision are final and private. Privacy guarantees that we do not know if Shepard's decision set any new precedent. Dawn suggested that Cooper parents lawyered up after she was denied, but that would have been useless. Don't join the association if you can't live with or don't understand the rules.
 
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