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Fluke is the national spin on UConn's success. Whether these folks have short memories or are teenagers, UConn Men's basketball is being distilled into mostly a couple quirky runs and volatile seasons as a means of downplaying where we stand among the bluebloods. Forget that we have been to the elite 8 50% of the time over the last 16 years. Let's break down the other 8 seasons: 2000 - Underachieving KEA/Mouring team that was a 5 seed and lost to Tennessee in the 2nd round. Certainly not a terrible year for our first NC hangover. Mostly the Deng whiff here. 2001 - Rebuilding year - 20 win team with a freshman pg Taliek and a Freshman Caron, Sophmore Tony Rob Most of our scoring from Senior Mouring and Johnny Time Juco year 1 - This team would lose to eventual NC UMD on Steve Blake's dagger the following year. One of our lowest seasons of the 8 non elite appearances. 2003 - 23 win team with two key freshman pieces (EO and BG) makes it to the sweet 16 and loses to #1 seed TJ Ford's Texas 80 miles from campus. 2005 - 23 win 2 Seed get's Julius Hodge'd mostly because of a young Marcus Williams handling the ball and a occasionally interested Rudy Gay. 2007 - Freshman Thabeet, Post laptop/Medical issues Price at the point, Freshman Dyson, Sophmore Adrien, Freshman Wiggins, No clear roles, probably our worst year of the 8. 2008 - Thabeet develops, Adrien becomes a monster and a 24 win 4 seeded team with 5 averaging in doubles and a real threat to make a run is squandered when Price's knee buckles around halftime against the Torreros. 2010 - Gavin, Stanley and Jerome watch the last 2nd half of the season from the Bench. 18 wins. 2012- 20 win team cant sort out AO's sulking, JC's leave of absence, Bazz's growing pains and asks too much of too many freshman. Iowa State punks us in the first round. 2013 - Tournament team banned. Who knows? But we were limping to the finish line. Still had enough to beat providence. If this team stays healthy I think it wins 23 games easy and gets a low middle seed. So since 1998 we've had by my count 3 lousy seasons - 2001, 2007 and 2010. We had tournament teams the other 5 years. 1 of those tournament teams got knocked out in the sweet 16 by a 1 seed in a road game. 1 of those lost their star point guard in the first round. 2 of the teams probably were lucky just to make the tourney (00 and 12). The '05 team underachieved and the '13 team never got a chance. I'd like to take a closer look at the resumes of the "more consistent" programs over this time.

The '05 team had two players with near-death experiences. One never came back and the other came back at the end a shadow of himself. We ran out of guards.

2000 had the KEA ankle sprain which denied us a chance at taking advantage of a wide open bracket. We probably underachieved that year but played well to make the BE title game and get a 5 seed so maybe we were coming around. Also the only team in the JC era without a first round pick on the roster (he started with Tate George).
 

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The '05 team had two players with near-death experiences. One never came back and the other came back at the end a shadow of himself. We ran out of guards.

2000 had the KEA ankle sprain which denied us a chance at taking advantage of a wide open bracket. We probably underachieved that year but played well to make the BE title game and get a 5 seed so maybe we were coming around. Also the only team in the JC era without a first round pick on the roster (he started with Tate George).
Good call. I forgot about the shad staff infection.
 
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I honestly don't get how even 2011 was considered a fluke. Yeah we had a bad February, but we spent a lot of the year in the top 10, and almost all of the year ranked. Then on top of that, how could you say it was fluky that a team that won 5 games in 5 days in the nation's best conference's tournament won the whole damn thing next? And finally, for JC, three times is a trend, not a fluke.
I agree - 2011 not a fluke at all. UCONN simply peaked at the right time. They tore thru the BET and then tore thru the NCAA's. It was a great 11 game span!!
 
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Best part about the Fluke quote is that, just a few weeks before they brackets were chosen, UK was being discussed as not even making the tourni.
They get hot, hit about 3 must-have game winning jumpers, and then after getting a beat down in the finals, the guy has the capacity to overlook how flukey their season finish was.
Every fan base has to have a few nuts. No doubt.

But only we have Chap, STB, Fishy, and JcNyYNY, and that's why we're better than them.
 
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How come we never had a thread, minus our:

George Mason,
Tate George near steal/ Laetner shot
Tyus Edney end to end layup
Donyell missed free throws

(I'm missing a few, and I'm not even talking about untimely injuries)

where we would be? Nice being on top and happy as a pig in sh|t in spite of the above.

We do......:oops:
 
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The fluke that year was that we went 9-9 in conference. Whether it was the freshman wall, Kemba getting beat up, us just not playing well, etc., we played below our abilities in the grind of league play. The long haul of the entire season proved that.

In tourney play, we were 14-0, with only two of those 14 opponents soft wins (DePaul, Bucknell). And Bucknell was a trendy upset pick, with the "UConn is tired" logic. Put a trophy at stake, and we were bringing the hurt.

I think the way tournament games are officiated played a huge role that season. The Big East was always known for letting guys play and tournament games are usually whistled much tighter. No one in the country could stay in front of Kemba without fouling him, therefore, we win all tournaments.
 
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My take on 2011 has always been that we had an exceptionally talented but young team that lost a disproportionate amount of games in conference in January and February when everyone went zone. By early march the team had learned how to run offense against a zone (evidenced by wins over Cuse and Louisville in BET on consecutive nights) and they went back to winning the games they had won in November and December
 
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We had the best player on the floor in the last two championships and they both happened to be PGs who had the ball in their hands.
 
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Used basketball reference for the win totals but the lineups/commentary is all from memory.
Big time impressed!!! Even immediately after reading it, I wouldn't be able to recall all that. I watched just about every minute of those games and I can only recall a fraction of what happened. When I read about such, most of it comes back to me. Do others have the same lack of recall as I do?
 

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Fluke? We didn't lose a single non-conference game in 2011. Let's not forget that the BE sent 11 of 16 teams to the Tourney that year. It wasn't just us beating the tar out of the rest of college basketball it was the whole damn big east. As Pitino once said, we used to play in Camelot. The 2011 win was no fluke, the big east regular season and tournament was tougher competition then the NCAA Tournament. When we won the Big East Tournament, we were the best team in the Country. Just took another 6 games against non-Big East competition to show the rest of the country what we knew a few weeks earlier in MSG.

I really miss the Big East:(
 

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"if it wasn't for UConn" thread is a must read
 

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Here's the thing, why oh why if you think you are the best thing since sliced bread, do you say that the team who beat you was a fluke? The Giants beating the Patriots in the Super Bowls wasn't a fluke, it was the better team winning. (FTR: I'm a Pats fan.) Even if you lose by 1 point on a lucky half court heave, the other team was better just by being able to parlay that luck into a win. It's not just about talent, or previous opponents, or anything else, it's about being able to maximize the talent you have, to adapt to the game (ref's call it tight, loose, are erratic, etc.) and use all the advantages you have (underdog cache, favorable seeding, whatever) to survive and advance.
 

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OkaFor, great post. One nit to pick. BG and Okafor were sophs in 03. :)
You know I was re-reading the post (I do that, its sad) and I figured out I had messed that up, but was too lazy to correct :) Thanks.
 

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Here's the thing, why oh why if you think you are the best thing since sliced bread, do you say that the team who beat you was a fluke? The Giants beating the Patriots in the Super Bowls wasn't a fluke, it was the better team winning. (FTR: I'm a Pats fan.) Even if you lose by 1 point on a lucky half court heave, the other team was better just by being able to parlay that luck into a win. It's not just about talent, or previous opponents, or anything else, it's about being able to maximize the talent you have, to adapt to the game (ref's call it tight, loose, are erratic, etc.) and use all the advantages you have (underdog cache, favorable seeding, whatever) to survive and advance.

No way, this is being incredibly myopic. The better team can lose all the time. The lesser team might have played better that day or in a few phases of the game, but if you take the original point as fact, you completely discount all important extraneous factors (and you do), most prominently luck, cheating, weather, in game injury, crowd favoritism (UCONN 2014 MSG), inconsistent referees, etc. There's no "adapting" to blown referee calls that hand the other team the game. It's making up a definition of 'better team' and ignoring pertinent context to fit your narrative.

For instance, in your example, the Giants did indeed outplay the Pats at the line of scrimmage, and this is predominantly what kept them in the game. Then they required a true gift from god (Tyree catch) in order to win, (not to mention a ball hawk Samuel drop). I know the team that won will always think they are the better team, but that's just not always the case.

No one would argue that 1985 Villanova was a better team than Georgetown that year. But they did indeed manage to outplay the Hoyas on one night. If those teams play 100 times, Georgetown wins 98-99. Villanova just happened to have 'their night' when it counted.

Or in a more fictitious example: Say a (superior) team is up by 3 with the ball with .3 seconds left in Basketball. They inbound, time runs out, but the ref calls a phantom foul (where there was no contact at all) on the team that was leading. At the same time, they asses a bench tech for another phantom violation that did not occur. The team that was behind hits all 4 free throws and wins the game with no time left. They better team did not win, as the ref hands the lesser team the win. Perhaps he was betting/point shaving the game and needed the win to cover.
 
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You know I was re-reading the post (I do that, its sad) and I figured out I had messed that up, but was too lazy to correct :) Thanks.


I have to reread my posts 10 times or so (OCD issues), or it's usually a complete disaster.
 
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Uh UK's runs were just as 'flukey' as ours in those years but I'm sure their fans wouldn't see it that way.
 
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You know I was re-reading the post (I do that, its sad) and I figured out I had messed that up, but was too lazy to correct :) Thanks.

Oh I re-read mine too. There are a few people who I wonder, though, if they re-read their own. If they do, and stick with what they write, well, that speaks volumes.
 
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