Football determines if a school is selected for a conference, not Basketball

[OkaForPrez]

Not quite:
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We also outdrew duke last year even though we sucked and they were coming off a winning season.

 

[Jerry1714]

I have no idea if you are agreeing with my post or challenging it.

But either way -looks like we agree the Win/Loss record of our football team is not the determining factor of conference realignment.

Football is the main factor for realignment, this is as obvious as the sky being blue.

I do agree that 1 or 2 years of football success mean nothing.

 

[Gurleyman]

I agree we screwed up on capitalizing our on our momentum, and the PP hire was an utter failure from the time the contract was signed. You can debate about Cuse, but there is no comparison between us and Pitt in football.

There was in 2011. They had history, we had momentum and recent success. We had passed them and didn't necessarily have to recede back into the abyss. Tony Dorsett wasn't walking through the door.

But we did recede and now we would be laughably reaching to compare ourselves to Pitt. In 1993, we'd have been reaching to compare ourselves to West Virginia in hoops after a brief run of success - Jerry West went there. But we didn't recede and now we dwarf them. If you were picking a hoops program to join a conference in 1993 based on history, we'd have been behind Providence. But UConn Hoops kept its coach after its initial run of success and kept growing.

Our ceiling is lower in football than hoops, where 2 or 3 studs can make you a contender. But in a parallel world, we could have kept growing and maybe taken advantage of some of the Penn State problems to be a more consistent Northeast power - consistent 8-4/9-3 seasons, cracking the bottom of top 25, sellouts, good bowl games, etc.

 

[Marty Jackson]

We continue to debate and argue over the same thing regarding Uconn being in the AAC. It's all about making money! It's football that has held us back and will continue to do so until we improve.

We would have the smallest stadium regardless which P 5 conference we'd go to and cant even fill that up consistently! Lets become a stable football program then watch what happens.

As far as basketball, Ollie has done the right thing by having a bunch of good out of conference teams on our schedule for basketball to survive. Which it will if Ollie coaches the team like he is capable of doing!! Memphis (when was in USA), Gonzaga, VCU and some other schools have seemed to survive in their weak conferences. Butler made the Final 4 twice not in the Big East. Ok I am Done!

Thanks for the news flash... In other breaking news, it turns out smoking cigarettes is actually bad for your health. Who knew?

 

[BUConn10]

We need to improve our football program to have any hope of being in a P5 conference, yet the reality of the matter is that on the very first day of practice, all across the country, 98% of teams are starting the season with absolutely zero chance of playing in the title game/playoff. A smaller name program could go undefeated and crush everyone and still barely crack the Top 25, let alone get an invite to the CFB Playoff (you think Texas, UM, Bama, OSU, USC, etc are just gonna let all this money go to someone who isn't already at the big boy table?). CFB is all about "strength of schedules" and all these unquantifiable metrics that rely on the transitive property to give the illusion of parity but really its just a pissing match for the Top 15 programs, everyone else is playing for 5th, at the very best.

So the irony boils down to: we need to improve football to get to the P5 --> not being in a P5 means your football program will suffer/and or be limited in its growth potential. Its basically a circle of self-reinforcing misfortune, it seems like the ground just crumbled away from UConn before the administration could even think to grab onto something (yea that last line was overly dramatic but it sounded good in my head).

 

[nomar]

Thanks for the news flash... In other breaking news, it turns out smoking cigarettes is actually bad for your health. Who knew?

Oh - they are?

 

[Pudge]

Ding, ding, ding. You got it. People were wondering why the ACC picked Louisville over us and this is why. Their football program is much better than ours. I'd love to join the Big 12 but they would never take us because of how bad our football team is.

Here's the thing ... DING DING DING

The ACC is the next tier (either number 4 or 5 in the P5). Swofford was going for some kind of Brand thing on Football. That, clearly, is not the same thing that the B1G is looking at. There is more than meets the eye. The BTN changed rules. And ... this has a lot to do with a BROADER University goal than just Football.

If you say Football ... you aren't getting the full story. Soon, the ACC and the B12 are going to be massively less than the SEC & the B1G. (and the Pac12 has a far different dynamic)

 

[willie99]

we don't have to help a strong football conference with football

RU did no such thing

NJ just happens to have more cable boxes

Our value will be increasing exposure, which will take time as opposed to cable boxes which can be counted on day one

 

[CallMeBruce]

If football was the only thing that mattered in realignment, Marshall wouldn't be in Conference USA.

 

[formerlurker]

How in sh^ts name did this post get to 2 pages?

 

[formerlurker]

Oh - they are?

Nevermind.

Haha!

 

[tjhusky]

 

[Jerry1714]

There was in 2011. They had history, we had momentum and recent success. We had passed them and didn't necessarily have to recede back into the abyss. Tony Dorsett wasn't walking through the door.

But we did recede and now we would be laughably reaching to compare ourselves to Pitt. In 1993, we'd have been reaching to compare ourselves to West Virginia in hoops after a brief run of success - Jerry West went there. But we didn't recede and now we dwarf them. If you were picking a hoops program to join a conference in 1993 based on history, we'd have been behind Providence. But UConn Hoops kept its coach after its initial run of success and kept growing.

Our ceiling is lower in football than hoops, where 2 or 3 studs can make you a contender. But in a parallel world, we could have kept growing and maybe taken advantage of some of the Penn State problems to be a more consistent Northeast power - consistent 8-4/9-3 seasons, cracking the bottom of top 25, sellouts, good bowl games, etc.

Not even 2011 was there a comparison. PA is a huge recruiting ground, something UConn did not have in 2011, or today.

The same arguments of beating SEC team in a bowl game and being co-BE champs can be said for Pitt.

I think you should look up Pitt's football history, the WVU basketball comparison is ridiculous.

 

[UconnFanDC]

We were coming off a bcs appearance and big east conf championship when Syracuse and Pitt announced they were leaving.

There is no set explanation why we are where we are.

Remember bC and Miami from what was stated did not want us in the ACC. And many did not belive UCONN should have even been in BCS but we were. I get what your saying though

 

[UconnFanDC]

Really news huh. We have a freakin' conference realignment forum and we need to have a thread by a Rip Van Winkle poster, no offense meant OP, but really, where have you been for the past 15 years?

I reminding all the idiots that keep saying why are we not in another conference. And posting that in topics that have nothing to do with this!

 

[UconnFanDC]

Aspiring to be like Memphis, Gonzaga, VCU and Butler is a really great idea.

Awww you missed the point and everyone else that liked your post!

 

[CallMeBruce]

I reminding all the idiots that keep saying why are we not in another conference. And posting that in topics that have nothing to do with this!

Go away.

 

[UconnFanDC]

We were coming off a bcs appearance and big east conf championship when Syracuse and Pitt announced they were leaving.

There is no set explanation why we are where we are.

Realy though? You can not be serious. SMH

 

[UconnFanDC]

Ding, ding, ding. You got it. People were wondering why the ACC picked Louisville over us and this is why. Their football program is much better than ours. I'd love to join the Big 12 but they would never take us because of how bad our football team is.

True all day!

 

[Leebo]

You can quote more than one person in the same post.

 

[nycscooby]

Market share, TV, will get us into a better conference. Rutgers brings Jersey. UCONN could deliver all of New England. What ever that is considered worth.

It's obvious that we know exactly what that is worth...less than what is required for a P5 invite.

 

[junglehusky]

We need to improve our football program to have any hope of being in a P5 conference, yet the reality of the matter is that on the very first day of practice, all across the country, 98% of teams are starting the season with absolutely zero chance of playing in the title game/playoff. A smaller name program could go undefeated and crush everyone and still barely crack the Top 25, let alone get an invite to the CFB Playoff (you think Texas, UM, Bama, OSU, USC, etc are just gonna let all this money go to someone who isn't already at the big boy table?). CFB is all about "strength of schedules" and all these unquantifiable metrics that rely on the transitive property to give the illusion of parity but really its just a pissing match for the Top 15 programs, everyone else is playing for 5th, at the very best.

So the irony boils down to: we need to improve football to get to the P5 --> not being in a P5 means your football program will suffer/and or be limited in its growth potential. Its basically a circle of self-reinforcing misfortune, it seems like the ground just crumbled away from UConn before the administration could even think to grab onto something (yea that last line was overly dramatic but it sounded good in my head).

UConn football doesn't have to make the CFP or play in one of the big New Year's bowl games to be considered P5 worthy. I think just consistently having winning seasons, making minor bowl appearances with a some wins against more traditional football name schools will be enough to warrant a look from P5 conferences. Being in contention for an AAC championship would help obviously. There's no control over timing and there's no guarantee that the other P5 leagues will feel the need to expand, that depends on what the networks want. But if there is expansion, the bar for football and overall athletic success isn't so high that it would be unreachable for UConn.