Florida State was supposed to save ACC, but instead it's killing it

[Murph]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...pposed-to-save-acc-but-instead-its-killing-it


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[noeynox]

"Florida State has been killing the ACC softly, like Roberta Flack in shoulder pads,"

That line made me chuckle.

 

[Fishy]

Florida State's failures didn't kill the ACC.

Florida State is the Big East's Miami - they were a time bomb ticking from the second they signed on. Succeed or fail, eventually, the bomb goes off and the conference is left to pick up the pieces.

If FSU won the title last year and the Big 12 came calling, we'd all be in the same place.

Losing Miami didn't kill the Big East - losing Miami, Boston College, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Texas Christian, Syracuse and Pittsburgh killed the Big East. But losing Miami definitely started us down the road.

Losing FSU will start the ACC down the road.

 

[freescooter]

I have a slightly different take on Florida State and the ACC. The funny thing about Florida State and the ACC is that FSU was for a decade absolutley dominant. From 1992 their first ACC season, until 2004 when BC, Miami and VaTech arrived on the scene, Florida State won 9 ACC titles outright, and shared 2 more. Maryland was the only team to win an outright ACC Championship during that run. But what is really incredible is that they only lost 7 ACC games. NC State was the only team to beat them more than once over that period. They were so much superior to the rest of the ACC it wasn't funny. But with expansion, suddenly they were no longer playing 8 gimmes a year. And that had the effect of requireing them to play more tough games, which meant they couldn't expect to be ranked in the top 10 by going 2-2, or 3-1 outside the league, which in reality is what they often did. Bobby Bowden didn't suddenly forget how to coach in 2004...but he had to face 5 or 6 tough teams than 3 each year and that eventually took a toll. There is a huge difference between 10-2 and 8-4...the former is woth a Top 10 ranking. the 2nd is rather ordinary.

 

[whaler11]

I helped tear down the goalposts after sitting in the front row the day that NCSU beat FSU for the first time. I think FSU might have been #2 and not #1 at the time but it was still incredible. Torry Holt was unreal.

 

[mattp]

But with expansion, suddenly they were no longer playing 8 gimmes a year. And that had the effect of requireing them to play more tough games, which meant they couldn't expect to be ranked in the top 10 by going 2-2, or 3-1 outside the league, which in reality is what they often did. Bobby Bowden didn't suddenly forget how to coach in 2004...but he had to face 5 or 6 tough teams than 3 each year and that eventually took a toll. There is a huge difference between 10-2 and 8-4...the former is woth a Top 10 ranking. the 2nd is rather ordinary.

the ACC was supposed to be cherry picking the top BE programs to make the ACC competitive with the top fb conferences, but all it did was expose that the ACC was even below the BE, as the new BE teams basically ran roughshod over their new conference. what the top programs all need to realize is that their success doesn't happen in a vacuum. without the Indianas and Dukes of the world, you don't have the Ohio States and FSUs. if they try to force out all of the weak teams they're going to have to sit through a lot of .500 seasons and we'll see how enthusiastic their fan base is after a decade of that