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Me neither - real contender list is small. UM, AZ, Duke, Illinois, Florida, Uconn

Kansas dark horse
Florida and Illinois are good but i would be utterly shocked if either even made the final four.

Florida's guard play is so inconsistent and like it has many times already it will cost them. Illinois offense is the most efficient in the country but their defense is very inconsistent and they struggle in close games and unless your UCONN you will be in close games come tourney time,
 
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Fascinating stat this year - 8 out of the top 13 teams are also in the top 12 in rebounding margin this year. We're 50th in the country, so not too bad. The suggestion - top programs can physically dominate. Get big, get dominant, move away from the stretch stuff - things are swinging again. This is one of the least flukey stats out there - three point margins are filled with mid majors.

That was also one of the main reasons we took those back to backs, it was kind of the elephant in the room that would get briefly mentioned now and then, then forgot about.
 
Houston may be playing themselves out of that 5th place too, which is where they need to be to get placed in the South bracket to give them home court advantage in the 2nd round.
 
Houston may be playing themselves out of that 5th place too, which is where they need to be to get placed in the South bracket to give them home court advantage in the 2nd round.
they are def behind Iowa St now for sure.
 
Florida and Illinois are good but i would be utterly shocked if either even made the final four.

Florida's guard play is so inconsistent and like it has many times already it will cost them. Illinois offense is the most efficient in the country but their defense is very inconsistent and they struggle in close games and unless your UCONN you will be in close games come tourney time,
I wouldn't be. Both have flaws, but also have upside runs. If you don't think theyre making it, then I guess you're imagining a Final 4 of 4 one seeds?

Someone up there made a good point on Underwood lacking the coaching chops, Golden has them. Florida has 6 losses, only 1 in last 13 games. 3 of them against top 5 teams.
 
That was also one of the main reasons we took those back to backs, it was kind of the elephant in the room that would get briefly mentioned now and then, then forgot about.
Yup - starting our roster with Reibe next year really means we need to ensure whoever the 4 is, they can board.
 
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Florida and Illinois are good but i would be utterly shocked if either even made the final four.

Florida's guard play is so inconsistent and like it has many times already it will cost them. Illinois offense is the most efficient in the country but their defense is very inconsistent and they struggle in close games and unless your UCONN you will be in close games come tourney time,
Florida’s over-reliance on their front court and paint play is my main aversion to them being in the Final Four. The SEC, while a good conference, doesn’t present any similar challenge to their playstyle as far as I’m aware.
 
KU vs UofA on Saturday is going to be an interesting game!
Wasn't somebody in this thread questioning whether they were definitely making the tournament?
They have some head scratcher losses (WVU, Cinci, UCF) but a lot of big wins ISU, BYU, UA, Houston, TT, Tennessee.
 
I wouldn't be. Both have flaws, but also have upside runs. If you don't think theyre making it, then I guess you're imagining a Final 4 of 4 one seeds?

Someone up there made a good point on Underwood lacking the coaching chops, Golden has them. Florida has 6 losses, only 1 in last 13 games. 3 of them against top 5 teams.
Florida is good but their last 15 games the only teams they've beaten who are currently ranked are #17 Bama, #22 Tennessee, and #25 Vandy with losses to Missouri and Auburn. They also beat George Washington, St. Francis, Dartmouth, and Colgate during that stretch. The SEC has been really good at gaming the system. The BIg 12 and Big 10 are both clearly better than them if you use your eyeballs.
 
I wouldn't be. Both have flaws, but also have upside runs. If you don't think theyre making it, then I guess you're imagining a Final 4 of 4 one seeds?

Someone up there made a good point on Underwood lacking the coaching chops, Golden has them. Florida has 6 losses, only 1 in last 13 games. 3 of them against top 5 teams.
no, i could see Iowa St and Kansas making runs and i also think St Johns is extremely dangerous as well as Gonzaga being completely of the radar because they got the snot kicked out of them by Michigan and a bad loss at Portland
 
Florida is good but their last 15 games the only teams they've beaten who are currently ranked are #17 Bama, #22 Tennessee, and #25 Vandy with losses to Missouri and Auburn. They also beat George Washington, St. Francis, Dartmouth, and Colgate during that stretch. The SEC has been really good at gaming the system. The BIg 12 and Big 10 are both clearly better than them if you use your eyeballs.
Almost feels like the Big 10 has a shot to finally get a title this year, but the Big 12 is really good too.
 
Florida is good but their last 15 games the only teams they've beaten who are currently ranked are #17 Bama, #22 Tennessee, and #25 Vandy with losses to Missouri and Auburn. They also beat George Washington, St. Francis, Dartmouth, and Colgate during that stretch. The SEC has been really good at gaming the system. The BIg 12 and Big 10 are both clearly better than them if you use your eyeballs.
They have been pounding them though - and its a much better league schedule than we've played. So it's hard to call it both ways. Florida has a NC front court, and 4 man guard rotation where they'd need their two primary guards to play well. They had a chance to win at Cameron.

The SEC has a lack of strength at the top, good in the middle and bottom. So yes, it does kind of game for the very good teams.

I still like Illinois & Florida, and I'd stick StJ in there as a team outside of the top couple seeds that can make a run. That team has come a long way in establishing an identity since November.
 
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Michigan/Ill and KU/Ariz could shake some things up this week in the polls. Fla at Texas and at home vs Arkansas will be interesting. UConn has to keep stackin' Ws
 
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Michigan/Ill and KU/Ariz could shake some things up this week in the polls.UConn has to keep stackin' Ws
That's the most important thing, IMO. It's interesting reading the scenarios that people post about this team losing and that teaming winning, but in terms of UConn none of that matters if UConn doesn't address and fix their weaknesses and play consistently good defense.
 
I’m always shocked how Sampson wins so many games. His offense is really hard to watch and requires dominating the offensive glass and hitting long 3s. This year’s team is more reliant on freshmen than any of his other teams and I think it is showing on defense (relative to his high standards) while the offense misses Roberts badly inside. Flemings has been better than expected but can be a black hole and Cenac isn’t consistent or strong enough yet. Not a real final four contender.

Sampson is a great coach, but I get the sense to run what makes his system work, it will not be OADs. He needs to nurture the dog into these kids over a couple years, like Shead & Roberts, & Tugler. Tugler doesn't seem as intense without those guys around. I can see a bit of a drop off in his product after this group moves on.
 
I’m always shocked how Sampson wins so many games. His offense is really hard to watch and requires dominating the offensive glass and hitting long 3s. This year’s team is more reliant on freshmen than any of his other teams and I think it is showing on defense (relative to his high standards) while the offense misses Roberts badly inside. Flemings has been better than expected but can be a black hole and Cenac isn’t consistent or strong enough yet. Not a real final four contender.

Sampson is a great coach, but I get the sense to run what makes his system work, it will not be OADs. He needs to nurture the dog into these kids over a couple years, like Shead & Roberts, & Tugler. Tugler doesn't seem as intense without those guys around. I can see a bit of a drop off in his product after this group moves on.
Going back to your post about the 2023 Houston team losing to Miami, I have to give Seth Greenberg of ESPN a lot of credit. While everyone picked Houston to advance to the Final Four when the brackets came out and after the first 2 rounds were completed, he picked Miami to defeat Houston. He stated that the Houston's offense depends a lot on bullying and out toughing other teams for offensive rebounds and that Miami's Norchad Omier can take that away and Norchad did just that. Seth stated Miami has the offense to break down Houston's defense and boy did they ever in that game. They had a offensive rating of 126.7. When is the last time anyone has done that to a Houston defense. It's why I was very concerned when UConn had to play them in the Final Four. Miami was #6 in KenPom's offensive rating in 2023.

Sampson is an elite coach. That Houston program was a dead carcass since Phi Slamma Jamma in the early 80s. The turn around job he has done is masterful and Houston is has been consistently a title contender or Final Four contender for many consecutive years.
 
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Going back to your post about the 2023 Houston team losing to Miami, I have to give Seth Greenberg of ESPN a lot of credit. While everyone picked Houston to advance to the Final Four when the brackets came out and after the first 2 rounds were completed, he picked Miami to defeat Houston. He stated that the Houston's offense depends a lot on bullying and out toughing other teams for offensive rebounds and that Miami's Norchad Omier can take that away and Norchad did just that. Seth stated Miami has the offense to break down Houston's defense and boy did they ever in that game. They had a offensive rating of 126.7. When is the last time anyone has done that to a Houston defense. It's why I was very concerned when UConn had to play them in the Final Four. Miami was #6 in KenPom's offensive rating in 2023.

Sampson is an elite coach. That Houston program was dead carcass for since Phi Slamma Jamma in the early 80s. The turn around job he has done is masterful and Houston is has been consistently a title contender or Final Four contender for many consecutive years.
And in the NIL era, they have a big money supporter in Tilman Fertitta
 
And in the NIL era, they have a big money supporter in Tilman Fertitta
Yet he has three NC returners back and 3 McD AA's and he's claiming they're broke.

He's going to have a fairly mass exodus this year, with at least 4 starters gone. Tugler is a junior and I've seen him in second round mocks. I know they have a big coming in next year, but feels like a bit of a reset for him going into next year. I haven't noticed anyone on their bench really standing out. Harwell has been a disappointment this year. We'll see if he can keep his run going. He hasn't done a ton of portaling yet, this may be a year he has to.
 
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This Houston d is nothing like past years, in part due to Roberts moving on. That guy was a menace. Him and Shead together were their version of Castle/Clingan in different ways. They'd harass the ball and always have hands in passing lanes, would impose will on the opponent defensively and on the boards. This squad just doesn't have that. Better offensively, but many steps backward defensively.
Their loss of Shead was devastating to their chances in '24. We probably would have played them had that not happened.
 
So apparently Houston did have a fanbase. I distinctly remember playing in their completely empty gym during the AAC days. After Sampson got them back into the top 25 they got their support back. But yeah would be better not to play them in the south regional.
 
Their loss of Shead was devastating to their chances in '24. We probably would have played them had that not happened.
Crushed, they would have easily gotten through Duke and NCSt with him. He was the heart and soul of that team.
 


Not sure the 2's are any better than the 3's, and the not sure the 5's aren't better than the 4's. I see Alabama, Arkansas and StJ's better than any of the 4's.
 
Illinois just lost to a dog poo ucla team almost giving up 100 points.

And one thing I’ll caution about Florida, yes they look strong now, once they got into league play. Personally I think the SEC sucks this year. Who is the 2nd best team in that league? Arkansas? Vanderbilt? Tennessee? Not exactly murderers row they are playing.

It’s why it’s so important to get that last 1 seed. Means we for sure avoid Duke Michigan Arizona who IMO are a cut above everyone else.
Or at least the first #2 to also have a chance at avoiding them.
 
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Notre Dame, Minnesota, Baylor and Utah vs. #1-4.

Rough rooting draw tonight.
Baylor has two first round kids in their starting lineup and at home, could make a run of it.

Not sure what Drew is doing these days. Had Edgecomb and Wright last years. We can likely remove him from top coach talks, seems like he caught lightning in a bottle.
 
Baylor has two first round kids in their starting lineup and at home, could make a run of it.

Not sure what Drew is doing these days. Had Edgecomb and Wright last years. We can likely remove him from top coach talks, seems like he caught lightning in a bottle.

I mean he had a good run with a lot of different types of players - I wouldn't say that at all. I think he's a pretty good coach.

I haven't watched them a ton but how deep/how good is their team besides Tounde?

In any case, tough games tonight all around but man, ND is a disaster. Duke put up a hundy on them. They haven't been competitive despite a couple decent players.
 
I mean he had a good run with a lot of different types of players - I wouldn't say that at all. I think he's a pretty good coach.

I haven't watched them a ton but how deep/how good is their team besides Tounde?

In any case, tough games tonight all around but man, ND is a disaster. Duke put up a hundy on them. They haven't been competitive despite a couple decent players.
Cameron Carr is also a first rounder, I think the frontcourt was the issue which is why he added Nnaji but he isn't good either
 
A horrible Northwestern team goes to Indiana and wins.

With about three seconds left IU takes a trey, to tie, and shooter gets whacked on the wrist. No call!!!

IU had a 9-minute stretch without a FG
 
Cameron Carr is also a first rounder, I think the frontcourt was the issue which is why he added Nnaji but he isn't good either

Yeah, I knew Carr is good but those guys aren't going to carry the entire team.

Also, the RuffRuff curse might be on watch, they're beating AZ right now.
 
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