Farewell to BCS - Things change, yet stay the same.

[Carl Spackler]

To recap 1998-2012 BCS era by my unofficial count.

Big East football in all bowl games: 46-29 (61.3%) BCS bowls: 8-7

ACC football in all bowl games: 49-55 (47.1%) BCS bowls: 3-13


2013 Bowl Season so far by my unofficial count:

American Athletic Conference in all bowl games (including future members ECU, Tulane and Navy, and departing members Rutgers and Louisville): 4-3 BCS bowls: 1-0

ACC football in all bowl games: 3-6 BCS: TBD

FWIW: Two of those three wins - are Pitt and Cuse.

Houston, Clemson and FSU still all to play.

Next year, brings the 4 team playoff for a national championship plus a post season bowl system.

No reason to think that the AAC won't continue what the Big East did, it is already.


THE AMERICAN ATHLETIC CONFERENCE AS A BUSINESS ENTITY CANNOT LET THE MEDIA WORLD DEVALUE ITS FOOTBALL PRODUCT THE WAY THAT THE BIG EAST CONFERENCE DID.

 

[Waquoit]

THE AMERICAN ATHLETIC CONFERENCE AS A BUSINESS ENTITY CANNOT LET THE MEDIA WORLD DEVALUE ITS FOOTBALL PRODUCT THE WAY THAT THE BIG EAST CONFERENCE DID.

Good point. Can anyone that follows such things tell us if the home office has been doing the requisite chest-thumping on social media?

 

[sportsart]

To recap 1998-2012 BCS era by my unofficial count.

Big East football in all bowl games: 46-29 (61.3%) BCS bowls: 8-7

ACC football in all bowl games: 49-55 (47.1%) BCS bowls: 3-13


2013 Bowl Season so far by my unofficial count:

American Athletic Conference in all bowl games (including future members ECU, Tulane and Navy, and departing members Rutgers and Louisville): 4-3 BCS bowls: 1-0

ACC football in all bowl games: 3-6 BCS: TBD

FWIW: Two of those three wins - are Pitt and Cuse.

Houston, Clemson and FSU still all to play.

Next year, brings the 4 team playoff for a national championship plus a post season bowl system.

No reason to think that the AAC won't continue what the Big East did, it is already.


THE AMERICAN ATHLETIC CONFERENCE AS A BUSINESS ENTITY CANNOT LET THE MEDIA WORLD DEVALUE ITS FOOTBALL PRODUCT THE WAY THAT THE BIG EAST CONFERENCE DID.

Good numbers Carl.

Why not put it together in an email and send it to a few media talking heads and see what they have to say. You never know who might write a story. I've seen them in the past.

 

[jdb50]

When people question why we would consistently have players drafted by the NFL yet struggle to win games the reason is partly in the Bowl season record of the Big East. Our teams would beat each other up, it was hard to run the table in conference, and our best teams were pretty good. The constant talk of the Big East football stinks was off base but we like to eat our own here. If we had stuck together and added UCF, Houston, SMU and TCU stayed things would have been pretty good for all involved.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

While those stats are true, unfortunately, many of those wins came from teams who are or will no longer be members of the conference.

 

[BoatShow]

Good point. Can anyone that follows such things tell us if the home office has been doing the requisite chest-thumping on social media?

UCF people seem to be acting like the P5 should be climbing over themselves to hop on their d**k.

 

[MattMang23]

Carl, you should combine the Big East and AAC records. Legally it is the same league.

 

[BoatShow]

When people question why we would consistently have players drafted by the NFL yet struggle to win games the reason is partly in the Bowl season record of the Big East. Our teams would beat each other up, it was hard to run the table in conference, and our best teams were pretty good. The constant talk of the Big East football stinks was off base but we like to eat our own here. If we had stuck together and added UCF, Houston, SMU and TCU stayed things would have been pretty good for all involved.

This is my second time laying out a mythical conference with mythical divisions for UConn today but hey:

Big East Dream League
(Atlantic)
UConn
USF
UCF
RU
Louisvile
Cuse


(Central)
SMU
TCU
Houston
PITT
WVU
Cincy


I'd pit that league top to bottom against the ACC.

 

[UConnDan97]

This is my second time laying out a mythical conference with mythical divisions for UConn today but hey:

Big East Dream League
(Atlantic)
UConn
USF
UCF
RU
Cuse
ECU

(Central)
Louisville
SMU
TCU
Houston
PITT
WVU


I'd pit that league top to bottom against the ACC.

No Cincy??

 

[BoatShow]

No Cincy??

Noooo knew I'd f* up somehow. Will edit.

 

[Carl Spackler]

OK:

So 1998-2013 BCS era football. Soon to be over forever.

Big East/AAC: W/L in all bowl games: 48-31 (.608) BCS bowl games: 9-7

ACC: W/L in all bowl games: 52-61 (.460) BCS bowl games: 3-14

(Clemson, FSU still to play)


(ECU, Tulane, Houston and Navy not included in these numbers b/c technically not AAC/Big East yet - ubt are 2-1 so far in bowls, with Houston still to play) but brings me to the next point, addressing another post.

Yes - programs that won as Big East conference members, have left the Big East - no sh8t sherlock, but new programs have come in, and continued to win, and they are winning now.


BTW: I'm pretty sure that in the BCS era, that the Big East/AAC has the highest overall post season college football bowl game win percentage. I think the SEC might be higher by a couple percentage points.

Those other programs that left - other than WVU, who is not in a bowl game this year - THEY ALL WENT TO THE ACC!!!!

 

[SAMCRO]

Houston is in the AAC already. We just didn't play them.

Since you're looking it all up. What is head to head record of BE/AAC v. ACC? Not that any of this matters, just curious.

 

[Carl Spackler]

Houston is in the AAC already. We just didn't play them.

Since you're looking it all up. What is head to head record of BE/AAC v. ACC? Not that any of this matters, just curious.

You kidding? I'm not looking this Shiite up. What do you think google was invented for? That's why I qualified all this stuff as "unofficial" I was pulling numbers from elsewhere, but the research looked good to me.

Here's a site that came up with a google of (big east football vs. acc football head to head bowl games)

Appears that through 2012, the Big East is 17-18 all time head to head vs. ACC football in bowl games - by strict timeline. And all time is 73-91-1. Losing records head to head.

Of note there, though is that this is strict timeline stuff. (i.e. A Miami LOSS to Florida state in 1999 counts as a big east loss, (ACC Win) while a Miami WIN vs. Florida State in 2004 all counts as a Big East Loss and an ACC win - there are some Virginia Tech vs. Virginia matchups over time, and others that could be skewing these results) - so there is some statistical correction/error necessary here - but I'm not doing it)

If you add 2013 in to the numbers, The Big East / ACC head to head all time in bowl games by strict timeline conference affiliation is 18-19. (again, needs some kind of statistical correction, because there are games in there where the conferences were aligned one way and then another other years) Also - factor in that the Big East up through 2013, only maintained the minimum number of 8 programs to maintain division 1A / BCS status.

What would be interesting to see - is what the original/founding members of the ACC vs. the Big East recrods are regardless of timeline (I.e. separate out original ACC programs recrods head to head vs. Big East - and then sort ACC recrods after conference switch). The games are all listed here, if anybody is bored enough to break it town.

http://mcubed.net/ncaaf/tvc/bigeast/acc.shtml

 

[Carl Spackler]

All right I did bowl games only back to 2004: Original Big East members + Current Big East members vs. ACC originals:

12-7.

I have to stop doing this now, though because it's going to make me start thinking about how much I want to take Mike Tranghese out at the knees again.

2012/12/28 Rutgers 10 - Virginia Tech 13 L OT !! Russell Athletic Bowl !!
2012/12/27 Cincinnati 48 - Duke 34 W !! Belk Bowl !!
2012/01/04 West Virginia 70 - Clemson 33 W !! Orange Bowl !!
2011/12/27 Louisville 24 - North Carolina St 31 L !! Belk Bowl !!
2010/12/31 South Florida 31 - Clemson 26 W !! Meineke Bowl !!
2010/12/28 West Virginia 7 - North Carolina St 23 L !! Champs Sports Bowl !!
2010/01/01 West Virginia 21 - Florida St 33 L !! Gator Bowl !!
2009/12/26 Pittsburgh 19 - North Carolina 17 W !! Meineke Bowl !!
2009/01/01 Cincinnati 7 - Virginia Tech 20 L !! Orange Bowl !!
2008/12/29 Rutgers 29 - North Carolina St 23 W !! Papa John's.com Bowl !!
2008/12/27 West Virginia 31 - North Carolina 30 W !! Meineke Bowl !!
2007/12/29 Connecticut 10 - Wake Forest 24 L !! Meineke Bowl !!
2007/01/02 Louisville 24 - Wake Forest 13 W !! Orange Bowl !!
2007/01/01 West Virginia 38 - Georgia Tech 35 W !! Gator Bowl !!
2006/01/02 Louisville 24 - Virginia Tech 35 L !! Gator Bowl !!
2005/12/31 South Florida 0 - North Carolina St 14 L !! Meineke Car Care Bowl !!
2005/01/01 West Virginia 18 - Florida St 30 L !! Gator Bowl !!
2004/12/30 Boston College 37 - North Carolina 24 W !! Continental Tire Bowl !!
2004/12/21 Syracuse 14 - Georgia Tech 51 L !! Champs Sports Bowl !!

 

[ZooCougar]

Is the home office in Providence aware that UCF won the Fiesta Bowl?

 

[Carl Spackler]

Is the home office in Providence aware that UCF won the Fiesta Bowl?

IDK. It's a good question. I've seen the American logo on ESPN advertised a lot. I think it actually looks good. I've seen commercials and stuff, but the perception of the quality of the football, it's got to be pumped non-stop. it's got to get out in the mainstream that this league is as good, as others, if not better, and historically WAS better, but was black sheeped.

It would be very nice if UCONN had friends in the media, that would write fluff pieces (and have the stones/non-conscience to be able to write stuff like the nincompoop from Syracuse wrote in a national publication about UCONN being a Non-desireable place to coach)........but we don't have writers like that around here in CT, so hopefully in the new media markets - Houston, Dallas, Orlando - we can find some good writers to fluff this stuff.

The Orlando sentinel I think is a good paper - good sports writers - maybe this can make it's way down there.

 

[Carl Spackler]

UCF people seem to be acting like the P5 should be climbing over themselves to hop on their d**k.

What do you think we would be doing if we had just beaten Baylor in the Fiesta Bowl? Doesn't matter that we've beaten them twice already.

 

[ZooCougar]

IDK. It's a good question. I've seen the American logo on ESPN advertised a lot. I think it actually looks good. I've seen commercials and stuff, but the perception of the quality of the football, it's got to be pumped non-stop. it's got to get out in the mainstream that this league is as good, as others, if not better, and historically WAS better, but was black sheeped.

It would be very nice if UCONN had friends in the media, that would write fluff pieces (and have the stones/non-conscience to be able to write stuff like the nincompoop from Syracuse wrote in a national publication about UCONN being a Non-desireable place to coach)........but we don't have writers like that around here in CT, so hopefully in the new media markets - Houston, Dallas, Orlando - we can find some good writers to fluff this stuff.

The Orlando sentinel I think is a good paper - good sports writers - maybe this can make it's way down there.

In Orlando there is a guy named Mike Bianchi and he probably is wondering why UCF hasn't been invited to the SEC yet.

It would be nice if the media in our own state would be a little more "homer" when times are good too.

Living on the Missouri side of KC, it's been interesting to listen to the media here characterize Mizzou's season. They know that the Division of the SEC that they are in is in a down year, so they aren't tooting their horns really at all.

 

[Carl Spackler]

We seriously need fresh blood writers in CT. People that will attach themselves to the success of the football program, and therefore the entire athletic department. We need writers grown up in the division 1A football era. You read the old timer, entrenched guys in the Wtby Rep-Am, the Courant, etc....and these sports writers and columnists are very much like.....George Deleone and Pasqualoni. Old and the times have passed them by.

What the AAC needs is to put out a well written, sourced and verifiable, and SCATHING piece about the quality of the AAC football brand, how the atlantic coast conference was allowed to leach off the big east for an entire decade, and how the AAC built out of the Big East conference, is and will continue to be a better football brand - and use all the facts listed here - something that will get picked up by national syndication and AP press, and end up in every news source in the country - that 2014 people look at for information. That doesn't mean the sunday paper.

 

[ZooCougar]

We seriously need fresh blood writers in CT. People that will attach themselves to the success of the football program, and therefore the entire athletic department. We need writers grown up in the division 1A football era. You read the old timer, entrenched guys in the Wtby Rep-Am, the Courant, etc....and these sports writers and columnists are very much like.....George Deleone and Pasqualoni. Old and the times have passed them by.

What the AAC needs is to put out a well written, sourced and verifiable, and SCATHING piece about the quality of the AAC football brand, how the atlantic coast conference was allowed to leach off the big east for an entire decade, and how the AAC built out of the Big East conference, is and will continue to be a better football brand - and use all the facts listed here - something that will get picked up by national syndication and AP press, and end up in every news source in the country - that 2014 people look at for information. That doesn't mean the sunday paper.

John Silver is smart as a whip, but he stuck in PGDL's corner for too long and wonder about him. But he is the best, most analytical writer out there.

Kevin Duffy is a hundred times better than Desmond Conner. The crazy thing is that DC was great in his first few years. But he hated Edsall, I mean I don't even like Edsall but the issues they had with him were borderline weird.

 

[ZooCougar]

We seriously need fresh blood writers in CT. People that will attach themselves to the success of the football program, and therefore the entire athletic department. We need writers grown up in the division 1A football era. You read the old timer, entrenched guys in the Wtby Rep-Am, the Courant, etc....and these sports writers and columnists are very much like.....George Deleone and Pasqualoni. Old and the times have passed them by.

What the AAC needs is to put out a well written, sourced and verifiable, and SCATHING piece about the quality of the AAC football brand, how the atlantic coast conference was allowed to leach off the big east for an entire decade, and how the AAC built out of the Big East conference, is and will continue to be a better football brand - and use all the facts listed here - something that will get picked up by national syndication and AP press, and end up in every news source in the country - that 2014 people look at for information. That doesn't mean the sunday paper.

That's pretty much what the MWC used to do to the Big East, and it actually gained traction with the national media.

Tranghese and Marinatto had to be the most passive and worthless conference commissioners in history. Blind Cave Fish had more strategic vision.

 

[Carl Spackler]

John Silver is smart as a whip, but he stuck in PGDL's corner for too long and wonder about him. But he is the best, most analytical writer out there.

Kevin Duffy is a hundred times better than Desmond Conner. The crazy thing is that DC was great in his first few years. But he hated Edsall, I mean I don't even like Edsall but the issues they had with him were borderline weird.

Beat writing is a lot different though than what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the Jeff Jacob's and Lee Lewis' of the world. The guy from New London. A guy like the NY Times / SI writer from Syracuse. Everythign in this thread would make a very, very good Op/Ed piece for a column about college football - and not just a title, but whole god damn series, for the offseason, of " How the ACC, a weaker league in football and basketball, managed to destroy the Big East". You can't tell me that the ACC was a better basketball league than the Big East, it wasn't. It's also a myth that it was a better football league - when you actually realize that the league's entire success in football other than Florida State - has come from leaching Big East programs. AND FLORIDA STATE DIDN"T EVEN WANT TO JOIN THE ACC!

You can turn the entire "conference realignment" part of this website into a 3-4 month ongoing series. Never mind that - just take the ACC and Big10 threads.

You read a guy like Lee Lewis, and he's writing - he's writing- that he doesn't know a damn thing about football in his columns

That's it for today though for me. Lots of food for thought.

 

[ZooCougar]

Beat writing is a lot different though than what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the Jeff Jacob's and Lee Lewis' of the world. The guy from New London. A guy like the NY Times / SI writer from Syracuse. Everythign in this thread would make a very, very good Op/Ed piece for a column about college football - and not just a title, but whole god damn series, for the offseason, of " How the ACC, a weaker league in football and basketball, managed to destroy the Big East". You can't tell me that the ACC was a better basketball league than the Big East, it wasn't. It's also a myth that it was a better football league - when you actually realize that the league's entire success in football other than Florida State - has come from leaching Big East programs. AND FLORIDA STATE DIDN"T EVEN WANT TO JOIN THE ACC!

You can turn the entire "conference realignment" part of this website into a 3-4 month ongoing series. Never mind that - just take the ACC and Big10 threads.

You read a guy like Lee Lewis, and he's writing - he's writing- that he doesn't know a damn thing about football in his columns

That's it for today though for me. Lots of food for thought.

1. Don't read Lee Lewis.

2. Beat writers are in touch with the program. We need the ones we have to ask tough questions and actually be journalists and not mouthpieces.

3. Jeff Jacobs, whether you agree with him or not is incredibly engaging.

4. UConn should start a sports journalism school like the one Cuse has and fill it with mediocre guys and gals. Then we will have propanda people everywhere in 20 years or so.

 

[Carl Spackler]

That's pretty much what the MWC used to do to the Big East, and it actually gained traction with the national media.

Tranghese and Marinatto had to be the most passive and worthless conference commissioners in history. Blind Cave Fish had more strategic vision.

Very true. THE MWC took their Boise St success and pumped it way up in the media, so much so, that Boise almost became a conference member. Good lesson there. Hopefully somebody in Providence reading this.

I don't like Tranghese one bit, and IMO, it's marinatto that managed to keep the league together for as long as it lasted, but to be fair, Tranghese was a very good basketball mind in intercollegiate athletics. Not fair to call him a worthless conference commissioner, he was just a worthless football commissioner, and our own university he just didn't care about football, certainly not enough to make it a priority in the conference. Our own university leadership was riding his coattails and the basketball success, while the rugs were getting pulled out from underneath as early as 1998 when we were still contemplating upgrading. My personal opinion is that he doesn't like the sport at all.

What irks me the most about the guy, is that to this day, he will say that the Big East's problem in football is that the programs did not win enough. It make me want to knock his teeth out.

 

[Carl Spackler]

1. Don't read Lee Lewis.

2. Beat writers are in touch with the program. We need the ones we have to ask tough questions and actually be journalists and not mouthpieces.

3. Jeff Jacobs, whether you agree with him or not is incredibly engaging.

4. UConn should start a sports journalism school like the one Cuse has and fill it with mediocre guys and gals. Then we will have propanda people everywhere in 20 years or so.

LOL. This website is a lot more engaging, IMO, than anything in the CT sports papers. Beat writers have to draw a big line between reporting news/facts and writing opinion though.

I like #4.