Experimental Rules Coming to 2017 NIT

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NIT experiment resetting fouls mimics quarters

Since we have a good shot at playing in the NIT this season....
The NIT will try experimental rules that attempt to mimic going to 4 quarters while still playing halves by resettting the fouls at the beginning of each half and at 9:59 left of each half and getting rid of the one and one as teams will go straight to 2 shots after the 5th foul is committed in each ten minute period. 2 shots after the 4th foul in OT. Another change is resetting the shot clock to 20 if the ball is inbounded in the front court if equal or greater time remains. These changes should make things interesting to say the least and confuse the hell out of people.

 

[Rocktheworld]

In real-time without stoppage in play? Eliminating 1-and-1? I dunno about this

 

[TRUCONN76]

NIT experiment resetting fouls mimics quarters

Since we have a good shot at playing in the NIT this season...
The NIT will try experimental rules that attempt to mimic going to 4 quarters while still playing halves by resettting the fouls at the beginning of each half and at 9:59 left of each half and getting rid of the one and one as teams will go straight to 2 shots after the 5th foul is committed in each ten minute period. 2 shots after the 4th foul in OT. Another change is resetting the shot clock to 20 if the ball is inbounded in the front court if equal or greater time remains. These changes should make things interesting to say the least and confuse the hell out of people.

Sounds like a ridiculous thing to do in a post season tournament. What a farce.

 

[RichZ]

Did that foul happen at 9:59 or 9:59.50?
To the monitor!!!
For 42 minutes.
Let's see Bob, are we looking for when the foul occurred, or when you blew the whistle?

 

[jcp33]

Me personally I really like the 1-1, might not be popular opinion since it almost costed it us the game the other night, missing 3 front ends in a row in the last minute or so. But I would be disappointed if they got rid of that. It makes free throw shooting way more important, especially at the end of games.

 

[ktuck911]

In real-time without stoppage in play? Eliminating 1-and-1? I dunno about this

eliminating 1 and 1 is an awful idea....

 

[Matrim55]

eliminating 1 and 1 is an awful idea...

Disagree. Eliminating 1 and 1 reduces the incentive to hack away at the end of games.

I wish they eliminated time outs, too.

 

[Jerry1714]

Disagree. Eliminating 1 and 1 reduces the incentive to hack away at the end of games.

I wish they eliminated time outs, too.

Fully agree on TOs, they need to be reduced to 1 30 sec in the first half, and 1 full and 1 30 in the second half. The usage of TOs and the over coaching in CBB is ridiculous.

Also, to the OP, I think saying we have a "good" shot at playing in the NIT is a huuuuuge stretch. We are not close right now

 

[pepband99]

Fully agree on TOs, they need to be reduced to 1 30 sec in the first half, and 1 full and 1 30 in the second half. The usage of TOs and the over coaching in CBB is ridiculous.

Also, to the OP, I think saying we have a "good" shot at playing in the NIT is a huuuuuge stretch. We are not close right now

There is such an easy rule change to help the timeout situation, i don't know why it's not adopted.

Grant a timeout no matter what. A close call with out-of-bounds? Held ball? If they granted the timeout, no matter what the outcome, timeouts as strategy would dip dramatically. The conditional calling of it makes it a zero-penalty play. Make it granted in any case, and people will stop doing them.

 

[Brochacho]

If we scrap 4 TV timeouts and go to 15:00, 10:00, and 5:00 I'm for it. Game flow in college basketball is absolutely brutal at times.

 

[Dogdeacon]

There is such an easy rule change to help the timeout situation, i don't know why it's not adopted.

Grant a timeout no matter what. A close call with out-of-bounds? Held ball? If they granted the timeout, no matter what the outcome, timeouts as strategy would dip dramatically. The conditional calling of it makes it a zero-penalty play. Make it granted in any case, and people will stop doing them.

I have no idea what you are saying, it reads that timeouts are automatic after every stoppage in play? Or just 'questionable' (determined by who?) ones! And this is supposed to reduce timeouts? Hoping we missed the 2nd half of your idea...

 

[James]

I've always found it ridiculous when the bonus is carried over to OT.

 

[pepband99]

I have no idea what you are saying, it reads that timeouts are automatic after every stoppage in play? Or just 'questionable' (determined by who?) ones! And this is supposed to reduce timeouts? Hoping we missed the 2nd half of your idea..

Example:

Player is just about to get whistled for tied up ball. Ref whistles jumpball. Right now, the timeout gets ignored. In my scenario, the timeout gets accepted, then the jump ball happens.

 

[UConn990411]

I only watch a handful of women's games a year, but the four quarters are such a breath of fresh air. The break between quarters creates a built-in timeout, which helps eliminate the ridiculousness of a TV timeout every 4 minutes. (I believe they have fewer timeouts overall, too.)

I wouldn't mind seeing 1-and-1 stay for fouls 5 and 6 of each quarter, but the foul reset is badly needed. Games right now screech to a crawl when teams are in the bonus for 10+ minutes.

All in all, this move is a no-brainer.

 

[Devland]

I only watch a handful of women's games a year, but the four quarters are such a breath of fresh air. The break between quarters creates a built-in timeout, which helps eliminate the ridiculousness of a TV timeout every 4 minutes. (I believe they have fewer timeouts overall, too.)

I wouldn't mind seeing 1-and-1 stay for fouls 5 and 6 of each quarter, but the foul reset is badly needed. Games right now screech to a crawl when teams are in the bonus for 10+ minutes.

All in all, this move is a no-brainer.

NCAA men are the only league in world that don't play quarters. NBA, high school, women's(pro and college) and international all play quarters.

 

[gampelcrazies]

NO. NO. NO. NO.

 

[Dogdeacon]

I only watch a handful of women's games a year, but the four quarters are such a breath of fresh air. The break between quarters creates a built-in timeout, which helps eliminate the ridiculousness of a TV timeout every 4 minutes. (I believe they have fewer timeouts overall, too.)

I wouldn't mind seeing 1-and-1 stay for fouls 5 and 6 of each quarter, but the foul reset is badly needed. Games right now screech to a crawl when teams are in the bonus for 10+ minutes.

All in all, this move is a no-brainer.

So a forced stoppage of play is better than a timeout during a natural stoppage of play? I don't get that at all and find the game very choppy with 4quarters. You've doubled the amount of clock running down scenarios where teams are heaving the ball at the rim = that's not really basketball.

 

[UConn990411]

NO. NO. NO. NO.

Any substance to your argument, or do you just hate change?

 

[Hankster]

NCAA men are the only league in world that don't play quarters. NBA, high school, women's(pro and college) and international all play quarters.

Yep, your right. I bet Adams will relish the 4 quarters. Like another time out. I remember when it was 4 quarters. I am not sure about the other experimental changes.
Sounds confusing.

 

[UConn990411]

So a forced stoppage of play is better than a timeout during a natural stoppage of play? I don't get that at all and find the game very choppy with 4quarters. You've doubled the amount of clock running down scenarios where teams are heaving the ball at the rim = that's not really basketball.

There are already forced stoppages of play every 4 minutes - it doesn't get choppier than that.

Adding in the break between quarters eliminates one timeout, so you have longer stretches of actual game play.

 

[Dogdeacon]

Example:

Player is just about to get whistled for tied up ball. Ref whistles jumpball. Right now, the timeout gets ignored. In my scenario, the timeout gets accepted, then the jump ball happens.

Maybe I'm dense, but still don't get it.
Ok so I think you mean an official timeout is called automatically (by refs) on any held ball (or only in last x minutes?) and then we have a change of possession jump ball. But exactly how does this reduce timeouts?

 

[gampelcrazies]

Any substance to your argument, or do you just hate change?

Don't get me wrong I like some of it. But I don't think 4 quarters will help. I think it will take the flow out of the game.

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

One and one is awful

 

[Dogdeacon]

There are already forced stoppages of play every 4 minutes - it doesn't get choppier than that.

Adding in the break between quarters eliminates one timeout, so you have longer stretches of actual game play.

100% agree about flow, I think the running 20 minutes is a unique cool thing that is great about college basketball.
The stoppages are NOT automatic, they occur when the game naturally stops due to fouls, out of bounds or other. There are plenty of times where the game flow blows way past the required TO timeline. And regardless, the advertisers are going to mandate a certain # of timeouts - ultimately the trade would be one-for-one, a forced stoppage versus automatic TV timeout when the game clock stops. It'd be interesting to look at # of stoppages in televised women's vs men's games.

 

[UConnSwag11]

Just do four quarters all ready and quit pussyfooting around it

 

[shizzle787]

Agree. I like the fact that there is only one TV timeout per quarter (plus the 1st/2nd and 3rd/4th intermissions) which adds up to six as opposed to the current eight tv timeouts.

 

[Tenspro2002]

I only watch a handful of women's games a year, but the four quarters are such a breath of fresh air. The break between quarters creates a built-in timeout, which helps eliminate the ridiculousness of a TV timeout every 4 minutes. (I believe they have fewer timeouts overall, too.)

I wouldn't mind seeing 1-and-1 stay for fouls 5 and 6 of each quarter, but the foul reset is badly needed. Games right now screech to a crawl when teams are in the bonus for 10+ minutes.

All in all, this move is a no-brainer.

Yes, the women's game has timeouts at under 5 in each quarter. So that's 6 non-halftime stoppages, vs. 8 currently in MBB.

 

[Tenspro2002]

Agree. I like the fact that there is only one TV timeout per quarter (plus the 1st/2nd and 3rd/4th intermissions) which adds up to six as opposed to the current eight tv timeouts.

Yes, the women's game has timeouts at under 5 in each quarter. So that's 6 non-halftime stoppages, vs. 8 currently in MBB.

Holy Spartacus, shizzle and I are on exactly the same page. Cesspool take notice.

 

[Dogdeacon]

Holy Spartacus, shizzle and I are on exactly the same page. Cesspool take notice.

Just a dumb fix to add quarters hoping to get rid of timeouts, NCAA (never greedy or advertisers can/would easily add an additional end of half and/or game timeout. Then what have you accomplished?

Much more direct to ask to get rid of the under-4 timeout as that accomplishes the same thing without artificial stoppage of play and the sabotage inflicted by two additional buzzer situations.

 

[FartMan69]

4 quarters will be in the men's game sooner than later. Good. Reduce timeouts while your at it, the last minute of a game should be the most exciting not the hardest to watch.