Expect a decline in W.V.,Pitt and Cuse BB .

[mcs333]

There has been several articles pointing to this point. If you look at their rosters, about half of all of these schools players come from NYC, Phiily or NJ. I contend that these recruits will have no interest in playing in the SW or South. The BE made these schools because they were able to recruit urban kids who want to play in Philly,NYC,Jerery ,Wash. . These are places where their friends and family can watch them play. In their new conf. that will not be the case. I expect they will all see a significant decline, ie BC.

If you remember when realignment started all three of these coaches were against moving. They know it will be much harder to recruit in the urban areas of the east coast. I expect SH,Rut.,St. John,Cinn. Temple, and Nova will benefit in recruiting from these moves. Like BC look for the decline to be felt in3-4 years.

 

[upstater]

I dunno. I think the ACC is about to explode. People are underestimating the critical mass they are building in that conference. UConn needs to get in ASAP. I guarantee you that within 1 or 2 years, the ACC will be considered hands down far and away the best BB conference in the land, to a degree that far outweighs what the SEC is to football. People wonder what value UConn would add to such a conference. But have they considerred what it would be like for ALL the top talent to congregate in one conference? The ACC will be where the really good players go to play, and the Big10, BE and Kentucky will all suffer.

I see Syracuse primed to grow from the move, and Pitt is a question mark because of where they get their kids, who those kids are.

After so long overestimating the importance of college BBall, I think people are underestimating it now when it comes to the ACC. This conference is going to be the next big thing in college sports.

 

[mcs333]

Disagree, since expanding from 9 to 12 teams the conference has gotten worst. They continue to get fewer teams into the NCAA tournament then before expansion. Duke and UNC will always recruit nationally and get VG players. Note they get very few players from the Northeast. The ACC is Duke,UNC and a bunch of also teams. That just the facts. Also the ACC use to be the premier BB conference now they are rated between 4-6 as a conference. BC,VT,MD,Miami,Clem.,GT,Wake,Vir. all have seen recruiting decline. I just don't see these teams getting better soon. The BE just has so much more of a recruiting advantage then the ACC in BB. Note just the opposite in FB. The South has a bigger recruiting advantage then the Northeast.

 

[Palatine]

Considering the missteps the ACC has made in expansion, the dilution of its basketball and the awful football conference, this seems like another panic move that won't turn out well.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

I dunno. I think the ACC is about to explode. People are underestimating the critical mass they are building in that conference. UConn needs to get in ASAP. I guarantee you that within 1 or 2 years, the ACC will be considered hands down far and away the best BB conference in the land, to a degree that far outweighs what the SEC is to football.

Duke, UNC and Syracuse are all elite programs but the rest of the conference is either football schools (Miami, FSU, Clemson, VT), awful (BC, Wake, Virginia) or in the midst of a major or slight downturn (Maryland, NC State, Georgia Tech, Pitt).

That all being said, if we are offered, we have to go. Just I don't buy that the ACC is going to be better in hoops than the NNBigEast. ACC has always been top heavy and it's going to continue to be with Duke, UNC and now Cuse ruling the basketball side of things.

 

[Prezidint]

I guarantee you that within 1 or 2 years, the ACC will be considered hands down far and away the best BB conference in the land, to a degree that far outweighs what the SEC is to football.

They have 4 teams in the tourni right now, and are tied for 4th/5th most for conferences.

They're getting a crap Pitt program that is going to get worse, not better, in the ACC, and a Syracuse program that is a top program.

To say that this will make them the "best BB conference in the land" is laughable, much like most of your emotional, overwrought, underthunk posts.

 

[1999.2004.2011]

Consistent Tournament teams in both the New Big East vs. the New ACC

Big East:

Connecticut
Georgetown
Villanova
Notre Dame
Temple
Memphis
Cincinnati
Louisville
Marquette

ACC:

Duke
UNC
Syracuse
Pitt
Florida State

Both conferences have their share of weaker teams Big East (Depaul, Providence, Rutgers) and ACC (BC, Clemson, Wake Forest) but the New Big East will be a much more balanced conference than the top heavy ACC

 

[tzznandrew]

They have 4 teams in the tourni right now, and are tied for 4th/5th most for conferences.

They're getting a crap Pitt program that is going to get worse, not better, in the ACC, and a Syracuse program that is a top program.

To say that this will make them the "best BB conference in the land" is laughable, much like most of your emotional, overwrought, underthunk posts.

UNC, Duke, and Syracuse is probably the best 1-2-3 punch of any conference.

The undercard hasn't been very good recently, but NC State, Pitt, Maryland, Georgia Tech, and Wake Forest all have either picked up their recruiting or have had recent success (last decade).

Maryland, especially now that Gary Williams's corpse is no longer coaching, should return to that second tier.

 

[tzznandrew]

]
Both conferences have their share of weaker teams Big East (Depaul, Providence, Rutgers) and ACC (BC, Clemson, Wake Forest) but the New Big East will be a much more balanced conference than the top heavy ACC

1. Maryland has a National Title and Final Four in the last decade. That's better than every team in the BE other than UConn.
2. Clemson and Wake Forest have been to multiple NCAAs in the last decade. DePaul, Providence, and Rutgers have not.

The BE is, and will continue to be, more fluid and balanced than the ACC. But the ACC has a well of wealth of good programs. Every team in the ACC has been to the NCAAs in the last 10 years except VT.

 

[1999.2004.2011]

Virginia Tech invented the bubble

 

[rman726]

Syracuse will continue to be the team that chokes in the tournament. I don't see much changing.

 

[junglehusky]

... but the New Big East will be a much more balanced conference than the top heavy ACC

I don't know. When we added UL, Cincy, Marquette, they were expected to do well as NBE basketball members, and they have. Memphis will competitive, sure. But Temple? Maybe they'll match WVU's level. Houston? SMU? UCF? I doubt we'll see more than a handful of tourney appearances between the three of them. Even with Houston's (ancient) history and UCF's potential (on paper), can anyone realistically expect those schools to match Pitt / Cuse / WVU? I don't think so, at least not in the next couple of years. It'll take a while, like it took USF a long time.

 

[mcs333]

I expect you will see a decline in Cuse in 3-4 years. They will loose a lot of the recruits they got from NYC and Philly. Houston will be VG in a couple of years. Great recruiting area. SMU , will they be able to take advantage of the BE brand. Will be interesting to see what they do in 3-4 years. Both Texas schools come from areas where their is a ton of money. Oil money. Time will tell.

 

[bobbygt]

I think syracuse will be to the ACC what penn state football was/is (minus the current situation at psu) to the Big Ten, with respect to being second fiddle to osu and michigan. They might be good early on, will most likely be better than the other programs, but they'll soon realize that the refs and the media down there, including the msm,will be overwhelmingly pro-unc and duke.

I also don't think they'll be able to outrecruit those teams in the long term.

Cuse will at least be good and contend, which I don't see pitt being able to do on an annual basis. I think pitt will be a middling team in the ACC.

I have no idea about wvu.

I think they'll be about the same as they are now in the big east: decent team that can usually make the tournament, maybe have a good to great year once every 5 years, but that is all.

 

[upstater]

The ACC suffered after expansion because it invited VT, Miami and BC.
That's why it suffered.

 

[Orc]

Duke, UNC and Syracuse are all elite programs but the rest of the conference is either football schools (Miami, FSU, Clemson, VT), awful (BC, Wake, Virginia) or in the midst of a major or slight downturn (Maryland, NC State, Georgia Tech, Pitt).

That all being said, if we are offered, we have to go. Just I don't buy that the ACC is going to be better in hoops than the NNBigEast. ACC has always been top heavy and it's going to continue to be with Duke, UNC and now Cuse ruling the basketball side of things.

Syracuse do not belong on the same sentence as UNC and Duke. Sure they have Pittsburgh -like success in the regular season but that program chokes way too much in march to be considered elite.

 

[mcs333]

The BE made Cuse. Let's see what happens to them once they leave the BE. Remember usually half their players come from NYC and Philly. I think in the future they will lose many of these recruits to BE teams because these urban kids want to play in the BE and NYC not the rural South.

 

[pauliepeppas]

The BE made Cuse. Let's see what happens to them once they leave the BE. Remember usually half their players come from NYC and Philly. I think in the future they will lose many of these recruits to BE teams because these urban kids want to play in the BE and NYC not the rural South.

Tv and the carrier dome made the big east, along with gtown,....cuse hasnt had a big recruit from nyc in at least ten years

 

[upstater]

Tv and the carrier dome made the big east, along with gtown,....cuse hasnt had a big recruit from nyc in at least ten years

Ya forgot UConn? I mean, so many people put so much emphasis on UConn's first 6 years in the league, why not look at the other 35 years?

 

[mcs333]

I said Philly and NYC. Southerland from L.I., Waiters, Jardine and Christmas from Philly. Cuse may not get these players in the future.

 

[pauliepeppas]

Ya forgot UConn? I mean, so many people put so much emphasis on UConn's first 6 years in the league, why not look at the other 35 years?

Well of course uconn lol, i figured you guys had thst included already

 

[pauliepeppas]

I said Philly and NYC. Southerland from L.I., Waiters, Jardine and Christmas from Philly. Cuse may not get these players in the future.

Time will tell, but i dont see it being a problem at all, cuse will continue to get recruits

 

[Henry]

West Virginia should be fine. They play a style consistent with their new conference. Syracuse and Pitt will have problems. When Rick Barnes left BC and coached in the ACC he brought his physical style with him. The ACC coaches cried like little babies because he was too physical for them. You think they'll let Pitt muscle up to Duke or NC? Syracuse plays a zone which the ACC has probably never seen before. How long before they penalize Syracuse for playing zone? It's sad that those teams would leave the Big East, a much better basketball conference top to bottom and much much better football conference than the ACC. The ACC is a 2 dog pony and has been for years. What other team consistently challenges Duke or NC?

 

[orangehomer]

I said Philly and NYC. Southerland from L.I., Waiters, Jardine and Christmas from Philly. Cuse may not get these players in the future.

we might not get some kids from certain areas, but we might be able to get some more kids from other areas. for instance we have had good luck in baltimore, which is pretty close to philly. maybe we can land more maryland kids in the mold of carmelo, greene, cj fair. i think the coaching transition from boeheim to hopkins will have much more to do with how well we do in the acc than the recruiting effects of conference affiliation.

 

[Edward Sargent]

I dunno. I think the ACC is about to explode. People are underestimating the critical mass they are building in that conference. UConn needs to get in ASAP. I guarantee you that within 1 or 2 years, the ACC will be considered hands down far and away the best BB conference in the land, to a degree that far outweighs what the SEC is to football. People wonder what value UConn would add to such a conference. But have they considerred what it would be like for ALL the top talent to congregate in one conference? The ACC will be where the really good players go to play, and the Big10, BE and Kentucky will all suffer.

I see Syracuse primed to grow from the move, and Pitt is a question mark because of where they get their kids, who those kids are.

After so long overestimating the importance of college BBall, I think people are underestimating it now when it comes to the ACC. This conference is going to be the next big thing in college sports.

I disagree both basketball (Duke and UNC) and foootball (miami or Vtech or somebody else) are all the ACC has right now. BC doesn't fill their little place for fball even now. The money is there right now, but like the BE they need a better product.