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I have never seen another sports program/franchise at any level, in any sport, be accused of being "too good" for their sport, and thus be accused a detriment to it. That's ludicrous. :eek:

Oh, but you never got to see my Pee Wee league baseball team.
 
I think the best response and someone mentioned this already is to count the AA recruits on the three other FF teams and compare them to all the teams they beat, and all the teams that didn't make it to a FF in a region other than Bridgeport. Should have been easy for a bunch of these schools to make the FF if recruiting was the answer.
OSU - zero AAs I believe
Washington - Plum I think is the lone one
Syracuse - Sykes and Butler

I mean TN has more than the three teams combined.
 
While we are blasting Brenda, she really needs to find a better hairdresser who knows how to color hair. Man her hair is brassy.

C'mon ET, stay true to YOUR mantra........."Stay classy". :eek:
 
ET, you're on a roll today aren't you.
 
8. I'd like to hear just 1 coach of a major women's basketball program step up and publicly state that he/she does not blame UConn for their success. That they (WCBB as a whole) have not lived up to (or attained) the standards that UConn has set, and that starting RIGHT NOW, they are going to begin to do everything they can to close the gap. Be it recruit better players and become better teachers, or perhaps conduct their practices differently, maybe similar to Geno's. Personally accept the responsibility and the challenge to raise the level of their team's play and execution, starting today.
Not whine and complain like Brenda Frese, suggesting that she would like Geno to dial it back some. After all, its not her fault, its his. :mad:

I remind you of the definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different outcome. Isn't that what these coaches are doing? :eek:
Carnac - that was a GREAT post. I would have liked it 100 times if I could have. I agree with everything you said so I won't bother adding my $.02 as it wouldn't be new, and I couldn't have said it any better than you did.

BUT I do want to add to your very last statement - Item 8. It will be EASY for other coaches to say that now. UCONN is likely not the favorite to win the NC next year. I believe they make the FF and anything there is possible, but if we lose the big 3 of Stewie, Mo and Tuck (Stewie and Mo are for sure), there will be at least 2-3 teams with more talented experienced players than UCONN. Do I expect a drop off like we saw after Dee graduated (8 losses *gasp*)? Absolutely not. We still have oodles of talent.

But my point is that if we experience a drop off, and I think 99% of reasonable people think we will, it's likely that coaches who might have made that pledge in the past could easily do it now. Why do you think Kim decided she wanted to schedule UCONN NEXT year? I give any top team who played UCONN in the past 2 years credit for playing us then. Next year we WILL have some losses. Anyway, that is all...
 
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I get so annoyed when I hear coaches whine about another team having the so called "top" players. As a competitor, I would want to play for coach like Auriemma because I know that he will have his teams competiting at a high level. Brenda Frese, and coaches like her, are the whiners that I would hate to play for. They seem like the bigger the game, the more they shy away from the challenge.
 
Yeah, she's been singing this tune for a few years now. She needs to have a Snickers.

LOL!!!! That's a good one. :D I wish I had thought of that one.
 
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I get so annoyed when I hear coaches whine about another team having the so called "top" players. As a competitor, I would want to play for coach like Auriemma because I know that he will have his teams competiting at a high level. Brenda Frese, and coaches like her, are the whiners that I would hate to play for. They seem like the bigger the game, the more they shy away from the challenge.

Did she bust Obama's bracket again this year? :cool:
 
The majority of Brenda Freese's 2006 Championship team was freshman and sophomores. She NEVER made it back to the Final 4 with them. How is that even possible?

Guess it isn't that easy after all eh Brenda?
 
I think the best response and someone mentioned this already is to count the AA recruits on the three other FF teams and compare them to all the teams they beat, and all the teams that didn't make it to a FF in a region other than Bridgeport. Should have been easy for a bunch of these schools to make the FF if recruiting was the answer.
OSU - zero AAs I believe
Washington - Plum I think is the lone one
Syracuse - Sykes and Butler

I mean TN has more than the three teams combined.
IMO, a lot of these so-called HSAA are overrated. Some of TN hyped recruits can't shoot FTs. Run into each other on pick and rolls. Reach and swat as drivers go by them. A lot of these coaches, several in the SEC, are recruiting great looking athletes but not basketball PLAYERS. But on paper it looks great for those rabid fan bases. It hypes the product but doesn't win meaningful out of conference games and NC's. I give the Oregon St. and Texas coaches credit. They're smart and they're turning it around and getting kids with guts and attitude and they're going to be very dangerous shortly. As an aside, whoever gets this Ionescue kid is finding gold.
 

Includes a less-than-flattering contribution from Brenda Frese.

A D1 coach with a NC under her belt going wah, wah, wah, snivel, snivel. That's got to help her recruiting! Hard to believe the whine from this one.

I really enjoyed the piece - I do think it showed Brender's warts, as well as Danny-boys. Geno's line to end the piece is, simply, perfect: "you have to understand, this is a
race. I'm not slowing down: you have to run faster."
I Love it Geno's got NASCAR!!! :D

There's a parody of Billy Joel's "Scenes from an Italian Restaurant" in here somewhere. "Brender and Danny had had it already by the time of the Final Four. UConn rolled on, Terp's season was gone, 'cause Washington showed 'em the door.." or, somethin' like that.
Pinot, pun intended Geno would love it. Bottle of red, bottle of white...Geno loves his vino...;)
 
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IMO, a lot of these so-called HSAA are overrated. Some of TN hyped recruits can't shoot FTs. Run into each other on pick and rolls. Reach and swat as drivers go by them. A lot of these coaches, several in the SEC, are recruiting great looking athletes but not basketball PLAYERS. But on paper it looks great for those rabid fan bases. It hypes the product but doesn't win meaningful out of conference games and NC's. I give the Oregon St. and Texas coaches credit. They're smart and they're turning it around and getting kids with guts and attitude and they're going to be very dangerous shortly. As an aside, whoever gets this Ionescue kid is finding gold.
But just look at the coaching they are getting. 95% of high school AAs arrive at their university as bench warmers - they just aren't that good as college level players. They have individual skills, but they generally know nothing about defense, and nothing about how to play with more talented teammates. Lou and Napheesa after a month of boot camp with the best coaching staff in America looked OK in the first month, but they weren't playing basketball to Uconn's standards. After two months of getting some minutes and a lot of coaching and practice, they are starting to look pretty good and you can get glimpses of what they can bring next year. And they are playing with three AAs and an International star player. Put them on a team with 5 other untouched upper classmen running crap offense and defense with lots of one on one play and very little teamwork and you would be asking the same thing - were they really ranked #1 and #6 in the country!!!
Everyone wanted Russell out of HS and TN won the lottery - two years later, everyone is asking was this player really #1 in HS. She was legitimate, she just has had two years of really bad coaching and is playing about the same HS level game she played when she arrived. Give her Tara, or Muffett, or Kim, or Rueck and I bet she is an AA this year (maybe second or third team.) Put her in that dysfunctional offense with those teammates and that coaching staff ... maybe she will get drafted because she is tall.
 
This has been Frese's shtick for a long, long time. UConn/Geno sticks in her craw and it shows a little too much. She's had great talent, but she can't get over the hump. Hey Brenda, you're driving the bus. Drive it harder and maybe your team won't slow down in the second half.
When you get beat on your home floor by a 7 seed, you really shouldn't open your mouth, you should be figuring out why you lost.
 
But just look at the coaching they are getting. 95% of high school AAs arrive at their university as bench warmers - they just aren't that good as college level players. They have individual skills, but they generally know nothing about defense, and nothing about how to play with more talented teammates. Lou and Napheesa after a month of boot camp with the best coaching staff in America looked OK in the first month, but they weren't playing basketball to Uconn's standards. After two months of getting some minutes and a lot of coaching and practice, they are starting to look pretty good and you can get glimpses of what they can bring next year. And they are playing with three AAs and an International star player. Put them on a team with 5 other untouched upper classmen running crap offense and defense with lots of one on one play and very little teamwork and you would be asking the same thing - were they really ranked #1 and #6 in the country!!!
Everyone wanted Russell out of HS and TN won the lottery - two years later, everyone is asking was this player really #1 in HS. She was legitimate, she just has had two years of really bad coaching and is playing about the same HS level game she played when she arrived. Give her Tara, or Muffett, or Kim, or Rueck and I bet she is an AA this year (maybe second or third team.) Put her in that dysfunctional offense with those teammates and that coaching staff ... maybe she will get drafted because she is tall.

It will be interesting to see. Yes, she may get drafted, but the WNBA has too short a season and bench to carry projects.
 
I think the best response and someone mentioned this already is to count the AA recruits on the three other FF teams and compare them to all the teams they beat, and all the teams that didn't make it to a FF in a region other than Bridgeport. Should have been easy for a bunch of these schools to make the FF if recruiting was the answer.
OSU - zero AAs I believe
Washington - Plum I think is the lone one
Syracuse - Sykes and Butler

I mean TN has more than the three teams combined.
Somebody needs to send the complainers a copy of movie "Miracle" about the US hockey victory in the 1980 Winter Olympics. Head Coach Herb Brooks shows Assistant Coach Craig Patrick his proposed roster.

Coach Patrick: You're missing some of the best players.
Coach Brooks: I'm not looking for the best players, Craig, I'm looking for the right ones.

UConn will remain safe on its perch so long as other coaches place a premium on the "best" players and discount the "right" ones. Geno knows the difference and recruits accordingly.
 
What difference does it make to Brenda how good UConn is if she can't beat Washington?

That's what I've been saying for years. Don't worry about UConn if you're not ranked, or you're not a top five team. Worry about beating the teams between UConn and you,. When you move up to #2 or #3 in the country, THEN worry about beating UConn. Beat and over take the team that's ranked in front of you first. That was an excellent observation Jeff. ;)
 
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But just look at the coaching they are getting. 95% of high school AAs arrive at their university as bench warmers - they just aren't that good as college level players. They have individual skills, but they generally know nothing about defense, and nothing about how to play with more talented teammates. Lou and Napheesa after a month of boot camp with the best coaching staff in America looked OK in the first month, but they weren't playing basketball to Uconn's standards. After two months of getting some minutes and a lot of coaching and practice, they are starting to look pretty good and you can get glimpses of what they can bring next year. And they are playing with three AAs and an International star player. Put them on a team with 5 other untouched upper classmen running crap offense and defense with lots of one on one play and very little teamwork and you would be asking the same thing - were they really ranked #1 and #6 in the country!!!
Everyone wanted Russell out of HS and TN won the lottery - two years later, everyone is asking was this player really #1 in HS. She was legitimate, she just has had two years of really bad coaching and is playing about the same HS level game she played when she arrived. Give her Tara, or Muffett, or Kim, or Rueck and I bet she is an AA this year (maybe second or third team.) Put her in that dysfunctional offense with those teammates and that coaching staff ... maybe she will get drafted because she is tall.
I agree with all of this. That's my point also, that they're not getting real coaching at the college level. And I also put some of it on the kids. They have to want to improve in the summer. They know they're lousy shooters when they're throwing knuckleballs up there. Go out and find a good shooting coach to work with them a couple days a week if the school doesn't have one. A lot of the college assistants weren't good fundamental players themselves so the kids are spinning their wheels during the season. Some of the head coaches are hiring cronies and ex-teammates for assistants instead of skills teachers. A good head coach doesn't need 4 assistants screaming strategy at them every timeout, they need player improvement in practice.
 
Talk about a tempest in a teapot. Brenda has had chances to measure up; she didn't get her team to earn a win against UConn.

True, ...but I will give her credit for playing UConn when others (Syracuse) would not. I respect the Kevin McGuffs, the Tara Vanderveer's, the Muffet McGraws', the Doug Brunos and the Dawn Staleys.
They know when they scheduled UConn, that there was a real good possibility that they would lose that game. Some teams will schedule UConn, but only if UConn come to them. :confused:
 
I agree with all of this. That's my point also, that they're not getting real coaching at the college level. And I also put some of it on the kids. They have to want to improve in the summer. They know they're lousy shooters when they're throwing knuckleballs up there. Go out and find a good shooting coach to work with them a couple days a week if the school doesn't have one. A lot of the college assistants weren't good fundamental players themselves so the kids are spinning their wheels during the season. Some of the head coaches are hiring cronies and ex-teammates for assistants instead of skills teachers. A good head coach doesn't need 4 assistants screaming strategy at them every timeout, they need player improvement in practice.

Great observation Bobby. You touched on a very sore and personal spot. There's a lot of this going on today in men's and women's CBB, Thanks.
 
You could make a case that the 2012 recruiting class of Stewie, Moriah, and Morgan was the greatest in history.
As an outgoing class probably the only contender is the Bird, Cash, Jones, Williams 2002 class. I think the real story is the difference in how they rank as a graduating class compared to how they ranked as an incoming class.
 
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