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Message: [QUOTE="zepfan, post: 3554046, member: 8094"] Flopping disqualifies LJ from any discussion of best ever. The mere thought of it would have disgusted the players of the 80s and 90s. You need to deceive the referee to get the better of your opponent??? If LJ flopped on Jordan or Bird they would each get into his head and make sure he knew he was inferior to them. Wilt, Kareem, Bill Russell, Karl Malone and Charles Barkley would just laugh at him. LJ has been coddled by a much more offense friendly league. Jordan got physically assaulted by the Pistons and just got more determined - never thinking how can I "play dead" to trick the referees. The mental toughness of Jordan, Magic, and Bird would see the flopping and quickly recognize that he has a weakness. Jordan and Bird were pure, cold blooded assassins compared to LJ. Lebron is one of the greatest but not better than Jordan. Arguably better than Bird due to his extraordinary physical abilities. JMHO [/QUOTE]