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billybud said:
Maryland and Rutgers were knee jerk additions by the Big 1o who were worried that Penn State might be isolated and defcct.

They were not added for football prowess. Syracuse and Pitt were added to the ACC because Roy Williams and Coach K pulled together their BB cabal...a cabal that was later countered when FSU pulled together Clemson, Miami, GT, and VT as a voting block.
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And the result was adding Louisville, a school that couldn't beat Uconn in UConn's worst season in a decade, adn that was Ville's best team.

Either way, we're talking mediocrity here.
 
IMind said:
I can't wait til ESPN pumps up UCF and Houston on our backs in the AAC and then pushes them in the Big 12.
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I don't see it in the case of Houston. Texas isn't having any other Texas teams join. ain't happening. SMU and Houston will be around until the end of time.
 
billybud said:
And...I could see that same mechanism affecting the Big 12...
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I don't disagree. . .the only difference is the wild card of Texas and whether they are disrupting the desires of the majority.
 
upstater said:
And the result was adding Louisville, a school that couldn't beat Uconn in UConn's worst season in a decade, adn that was Ville's best team.

Either way, we're talking mediocrity here.
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Ahhh...but perception is everything...what folks see may be different than what a Uconn fan sees...t

They may see a lot of promise in Louisville:
....Louisville beating Florida in the Sugar
....Louisville with the largest athletic budget in the ACC
....Louisville with a respected coach in Strong
....Louisville winning a NC in basketball
....Louisville going to the College World Series
....Louisville with the highest rated ESPN metered market every year for the past ten years.

Beauty is indeed in the eye of the beerholder...
 
UConn Dan said:
Since when do basketball coaches vote on conference additions? They may not have even be consulted, with the exception of Coach K.
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LOL...you do not know who has been running the ACC...Basketball is king in the Carolinas.
 
billybud said:
Ahhh...but perception is everything...what folks see may be different than what a Uconn fan sees...t

They may see a lot of promise in Louisville:
....Louisville beating Florida in the Sugar
....Louisville with the largest athletic budget in the ACC
....Louisville with a respected coach in Strong
....Louisville winning a NC in basketball
....Louisville going to the College World Series
....Louisville with the highest rated ESPN metered market every year for the past ten years.

Beauty is indeed in the eye of the beerholder...
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1. And WV slaughtered Clemson and beat Oklahoma and others. Now look at them. I don't care what anyone says, Ville was bad for 5 years, and had one outlier in which they scraped by bad teams and lost to UConn's worst team.

2. Athletic budgets are apples and oranges since some schools include donations as revenues while others don't. What you need to look at are ticket sales & donation revenue, licensing, etc. When you do that, you get a different picture. UConn for instance is well ahead in licensing.

3. Strong is respected by FSU people. True. But the guy was outcoached by Pasqualoni.

4. Winning NCs in basketball? UConn is no stranger to that. No one has won more in the last 15 years.

5. UConn went to the college WS as well, and UConn was BE baseball champion.

6. Louisville is a small market, so high ratings there need to be weighed against the size of the market. East Carolina dominates Greenville, NC! Anyway, in order to gauge TV impact, you need to look at licensing from tier 3 revenues and the like.

7. Oh, and don't forget, Kentucky is popular in Louisville's market, as is Indiana. People in Louisville say UK is actually MORE popular there. So, ascribing those high ratings in a tiny market to one school is like taking the entire state of Florida and giving FSU credit for it.
 
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OK OK..I give..You sold me....I stipulate that UConn is > than Louisville.

But...Louisville has captured the imagination of sports announcers and the ACC. And us old Nole hands remember being in the Metro Conference with Louisville back in the day a bit.
 
billybud said:
OK OK..I give..You sold me....I stipulate that UConn is > than Louisville.

But...Louisville has captured the imagination of sports announcers and the ACC. And us old Nole hands remember being in the Metro Conference with Louisville back in the day a bit.
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I didn't say that. I said UConn = Louisville. Both mediocre.

This is what the post was about.

I think you r conference tends to get psyched up about things only to realize the net outcome is not anywhere near the hype.
 
huh? Every conference does...

The Big Ten trys to make the addition of Rutgers and Maryland look liuke something other than the addition of two horrible football programs that water down the brand.

The Big 12, desperate to find two teams so as not to lose their TV contract, pick up WVU and TCU and then sells the speil that this is the nirvanic outcome of a worldwide search...and Notre Dame wasn't up to their standards anyway.
 
And let's not even talk about selling the goodness of Temple and Memphis as big time football additions that help solidify a brand...

It is what conferences do...
 
billybud said:
huh? Every conference does...

The Big Ten trys to make the addition of Rutgers and Maryland look liuke something other than the addition of two horrible football programs that water down the brand.

The Big 12, desperate to find two teams so as not to lose their TV contract, pick up WVU and TCU and then sells the speil that this is the nirvanic outcome of a worldwide search...and Notre Dame wasn't up to their standards anyway.
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I'm not even sure what we're talking about anymore. All I said was that the power wars inside the ACC have resulted in questionable outcomes. I only said that FSU's power play last year (after your top trustee blasted North Carolina and the ACC) resulted in a mediocre decision. You can trump it up all you like. Louisville had a helluva year. But everything is timing. Before that, it was losing football games left and right.
 
billybud said:
And let's not even talk about selling the goodness of Temple and Memphis as big time football additions that help solidify a brand...

It is what conferences do...
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Come again. I'm trying to figure out how this comment makes any sense. Who should have the ACC invited instead? It's a 10 team conference.
 
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Loved this quote from Deadspin's Hater's Guide to the top 25:

9. Louisville. You can read here about how Louisville—a fundamentally worthless school—essentially became a ward of ESPN and has now grown into the academic equivalent of the BUY NOW spaceship from WALL*E. If the school were renamed The University of Phoenix II presented by ESPN as told to Papa John, it would be more accurate. Rooting for Louisville is like rooting for a marketing brief. FUN FACT: The football program is made out of 95 percent high fructose corn syrup.
 
upstater said:
Come again. I'm trying to figure out how this comment makes any sense. Who should have the ACC invited instead? It's a 10 team conference.
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It is not "who should have been invited"...Rather, how all conferences portray aquisitions as being more than they really are...Like your neighbor who buys a new car and then must sell you on all of its great features.
 
billybud said:
It is not "who should have been invited"...Rather, how all conferences portray aquisitions as being more than they really are...Like your neighbor who buys a new car and then must sell you on all of its great features.
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Got ya. But I'm not the one selling the idea of Louisville to the ACC. Having played these teams (Cuse, Pitt, Ville, Rutgers) over the last decade, I think we're well aware of who they are.
 
FSU has played WVU and Syracuse twice since 2004...fun games. I went to the WVU games (bowls) and the home game with Cuse.

Louisville, in the rain, was not so much fun since they beat us up there.
 
billybud said:
FSU has played WVU and Syracuse twice since 2004...fun games. I went to the WVU games (bowls) and the home game with Cuse.

Louisville, in the rain, was not so much fun since they beat us up there.
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It's stunning to me that a Cuse-FSU game could be fun, given our play against them until last year.

These are UConn's results v. Cuse until last year.

W 26-7
L 20-14
W 30-7
W 39-14
W 56-31
W 23-6
W 28-21

Until last year, it's been like Cuse was UConn's patsy. But I guess everything gets forgotten after one bad year and 2 year's away from a national bball championship.
 
Yeah..it is the match ups...

WVU owns UConn (7-1 in last 8) but Syracuse has beat WVU for three in a row now......
 
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billybud said:
Yeah..it is the match ups...

WVU owns UConn (7-1 in last 8) but Syracuse has beat WVU for three in a row now......
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That's exactly what I'm saying. You should have taken WVU. Over Louisville, Pitt, Cuse, etc.

UConn owns Pitt too and holds its own against Ville.

It was clear to me that WV was the class of the conference while everyone else was pretty mediocre, and even the teams that never finished first (Rutgers) were just as bad/good as teams that finished first twice (UConn and Louisville).

As for BC, I was stunned to see them in ACC championship games since they never finished higher than 3rd in the BE, even in the year that there was no VT or Miami in the conference.
 
Cuse played FSU 13-17 in game one...made the second game a game of anticipation...that game was 14-38.

The Cuse who walked through our tailgate were really Floridians originally from Cuse...but they partied with us.
 
Marshall was one of the winningest teams of the 90's (only behind FSU and Nebraska in winning percentage)....having a world class WR and Leftwich as a QB bumped those stats.

Louisville is good when Bridgewater plays well....The question always is...can a team keep up momentum?
 
billybud said:
Cuse played FSU 13-17 in game one...made the second game a game of anticipation...that game was 14-38.

The Cuse who walked through our tailgate were really Floridians originally from Cuse...but they partied with us.
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By the way, Randy Edsall was pathetic against WV's spread option, and he suffered for it not only against WV, but against Michigan and a lot of lesser teams that ran it as well, like Navy. He never seemed to understand that the refs allow these teams to crackback. Couldn't get it through his thick head.

Edsall was good against conventional offenses, but went into "turtle" mode against the Oklahomas and WV and Navy. Look at Rich Rod. He ate Edsall's lunch while at WV, and then beat the hell out of him at Michigan too, in a year when Michigan sputtered on offense and UConn sent 5 defenders to the NFL draft.
 
billybud said:
BC did fine when they had a future NFL QB on the roster...
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BC has had a lot of good QBs on its roster over the years. Don't forget Matt Hasselbeck and Glenn Foley.
 
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No teams keep the momentum forever...but the good ones bounce back...

Ohio State had a losing year...Texas did as well..USC as well.....all have come back in some fashion.

FSU lost momentum..never did lose out on a bowl (31 straight years)...and had pretty good years in the 2000s interspersed with a couple of bad years (7-6). But the question laways is..what have you done this season?
 
billybud said:
Marshall was one of the winningest teams of the 90's (only behind FSU and Nebraska in winning percentage)....having a world class WR and Leftwich as a QB bumped those stats.

Louisville is good when Bridgewater plays well....The question always is...can a team keep up momentum?
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Teams with good defenses contained him pretty easily.
 
upstater said:
Teams with good defenses contained him pretty easily.
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Maybe...but Marshall..1990-1999 won 82% of their games....

It was their match ups.....They won 33% of their games with teams from BCS conferences and did not beat a team who was Year End Ranked (AP or Coaches Poll)
 
billybud said:
Maybe...but Marshall..1990-1999 won 82% of their games....

It was their match ups.....They won 33% of their games with teams from BCS conferences and did not beat a team who was Year End Ranked (AP or Coaches Poll)
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I really have no clue what this is about. What does Marshall have to do with Louisville and Bridgewater. You're losing me.
 
A good QB...with a decent schedule can win games...lose that QB and it is a different season if you don't reload..,,But a really good QB can put you in the rankings

BC as an example...
Marshall as another...
Texas as another
NC State as another..on and on
 
billybud said:
A good QB...with a decent schedule can win games...lose that QB and it is a different season if you don't reload..,,But a really good QB can put you in the rankings

BC as an example...
Marshall as another...
Texas as another
NC State as another..on and on
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Yes, I agree QBs are very important in college as well.
 
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