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ESPN Article: UConn's Edsall: Paying college players 'inevitable'

CL82 said:
Wow, I wonder what Randy and Dodd are thinking. Paying players would be the end of G5 football.
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It is going to happen just when. When you have politicians making this statements, like Senator Chris Murphy who thinks they need to be paid. I can see congress passing a law making this a law.
Again it's coming, just when
 
uconnbill said:
It is going to happen just when. When you have politicians making this statements, like Senator Chris Murphy who thinks they need to be paid. I can see congress passing a law making this a law.
Again it's coming, just when
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What would that law look like exactly?

If this comes it will come through the NCAA, college presidents, or the courts.
 
All Edsall did was state the obvious. This has become BIG business. Good for him for having the cojones to say it.
 
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We have fans who think the Big Ten wants UCF and we should go FCS over on the women's bball forum.
 
Noticed Randy panned Head Coaches getting $7 million a year...How about Head Coaches getting $1 million dollars a win?
 
Butch said:
We have fans who think the Big Ten wants UCF and we should go FCS over on the women's bball forum.
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UConn has to be the only school in the country where there are more posts on the WCBB board than the football board.
 
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Irishfan said:
UConn has to be the only school in the country where there are more posts on the WCBB board than the football board.
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As the English call them, glory hunters.
 
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Irishfan said:
UConn has to be the only school in the country where there are more posts on the WCBB board than the football board.
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Well, the women do have 11 national championships so there is that ...
 
atom58 said:
Well, the women do have 11 national championships so there is that ...
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Yes, but Tennessee has a good WCBB program as well, and on Volnation there are 5.8 million posts on the football board compared to 250k posts for all women’s sports. It’s just interesting how little interest there is for Uconn football.
 
Irishfan said:
Yes, but Tennessee has a good WCBB program as well, and on Volnation there are 5.8 million posts on the football board compared to 250k posts for all women’s sports. It’s just interesting how little interest there is for Uconn football.
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You do realize UT football has national championships and has been in the SEC for eons? And not all UConn football fans care to post on a message board. Plus, there's been the past several years of incompetence.
 
Irishfan said:
Yes, but Tennessee has a good WCBB program as well, and on Volnation there are 5.8 million posts on the football board compared to 250k posts for all women’s sports. It’s just interesting how little interest there is for Uconn football.
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You can't actually think this is a fair comparison, can you?
 
Irishfan said:
Vanderbilt Tuition and room and board is over $60,000. Not a bad income for a college kid.
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Scholarships toward tuition, room and board are not income.

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And there's zero reason for any school to charge $60k a year when they have a $6.5 Billion endowment.

Schools are fleecing college students across the country, the athletes are creating billions in revenue every year, and are not even allowed to make money off their own likeness.
 
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HuskyAlum012 said:
You can't actually think this is a fair comparison, can you?
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Actually, that was my point. There is no comparison between the sports fans at a school like UT and UConn. At UT, there is football, and things to watch until football season comes around again. Which would explain why there are 23 football posts for every 1 womens’ sports posts.
 
WingU-Conn said:
Scholarships toward tuition, room and board are not income.

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And there's zero reason for any school to charge $60k a year when they have a $6.5 Billion endowment.

Schools are fleecing college students across the country, the athletes are creating billions in revenue every year, and are not even allowed to make money off their own likeness.
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Harvard charges about $68,000 for tuition and room and board. They have an endowment of over $38 billion. And there is a waiting list to get in. Evidently some people think it is a worthwhile investment. And while you claim that schools are making billions off the athletes, it seems like every article talks about how the vast majority of schools lose millions on their athletic programs.
 
Butch said:
You do realize UT football has national championships and has been in the SEC for eons? And not all UConn football fans care to post on a message board. Plus, there's been the past several years of incompetence.
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True, but it has been more than 20 years since their last national championship, and as you pointed out they have had recent years of incompetence. 4-8 and 5-7 the last two years with a combined conference record of 2-14. But they still get 90,000 to their games and their fans are some of the most loyal in the country. And while not all their fans post on message boards, the split is still 23-1 for football over WCBB.
 
Irishfan said:
Harvard charges about $68,000 for tuition and room and board. They have an endowment of over $38 billion. And there is a waiting list to get in. Evidently some people think it is a worthwhile investment. And while you claim that schools are making billions off the athletes, it seems like every article talks about how the vast majority of schools lose millions on their athletic programs.
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Virtually no one doesn’t get into Harvard due to finances. If you qualify academically, you get primarily funded.
 
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Irishfan said:
Harvard charges about $68,000 for tuition and room and board. They have an endowment of over $38 billion. And there is a waiting list to get in. Evidently some people think it is a worthwhile investment. And while you claim that schools are making billions off the athletes, it seems like every article talks about how the vast majority of schools lose millions on their athletic programs.
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I didn’t claim “schools were making billions”. I said the players are creating billions in revenue. There’s a difference between profit and revenues, and it’s not one that should require an explanation for anyone who graduated high school.

Harvard doesn’t offer athletic scholarships, and, unlike 99.9% of the rest of colleges in America, their graduates are practically guaranteed employment upon graduation. Probably not the best school to pick to make your counter argument.

At least you’ve accepted the fact that tuition, room and board is not income.

Lastly, most athletic programs lose money. But I didn’t claim field hockey players should be paid. Allowing players to earn money based off their likeness, however, isn’t akin to the school paying them.
 
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WingU-Conn said:
I didn’t claim “schools were making billions”. I said the players are creating billions in revenue. There’s a difference between profit and revenues, and it’s not one that should require an explanation for anyone who graduated high school.

Harvard doesn’t offer athletic scholarships, and, unlike 99.9% of the rest of colleges in America, their graduates are practically guaranteed employment upon graduation. Probably not the best school to pick to make your counter argument.

At least you’ve accepted the fact that tuition, room and board is not income.

Lastly, most athletic programs lose money. But I didn’t claim field hockey players should be paid. Allowing players to earn money based off their likeness, however, isn’t akin to the school paying them.
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Right. From the ACC public schools (conference rank, national rank, school name, revenues and expenses) there is this from Wikipedia for 2016-17 (the 7 private schools do not report their income and expenses) ...

113Florida State University$144,514,413$143,373,261
222University of Louisville$120,445,303$118,383,769
326Clemson University$112,600,964$111,126,235
435University of North Carolina$96,551,626$96,540,823
539University of Virginia$92,865,175$100,324,517
644Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University$87,427,526$90,716,423
747North Carolina State University$83,741,572$86,924,779
851Georgia Institute of Technology$81,762,024$84,852,123

... and the ACC is only the 3rd or 4th P5 in terms of revenue (not directly comparable as some like the Big 10 (14) includes gate receipts and the ACC doesn't). Like an individual, you must try to live within your means, but all of the schools I think do have student athletic fees - probably OK as many students will want to go there, increasing school enrollment b/c of successful athletic teams (game attendance, notoriety, etc.). Ga Tech does have a sizable deficit but they are the 3rd best engineering school in the USA after MIT and Caltech and have special recruiting problems as the only such school with significant athletic teams.
 
One more thing - the more these schools earn, the more they spend, "keeping up with Joneses", and yes, CFB coaches salaries are completely off the charts when much of their success comes from the players and the strength coach - getting a P5 or major G5 head coach job these days is like winning the lottery. Need I mention Charlie Weis to your ND poster? Yes, this situation is utterly ridiculous. Jimi Hendrix ironically once said "it's funny how most people love the dead - once you are dead you are made for life" - replace dead with CFB coach and it is the same.
 
Irishfan said:
True, but it has been more than 20 years since their last national championship, and as you pointed out they have had recent years of incompetence. 4-8 and 5-7 the last two years with a combined conference record of 2-14. But they still get 90,000 to their games and their fans are some of the most loyal in the country. And while not all their fans post on message boards, the split is still 23-1 for football over WCBB.
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You're comparing apples to oranges. If you want to compare the UT men's BB fan message board to their women's, go right ahead. Comparing football to men's and women's BB at UT is pointless.

Tennessee football is the biggest sport on campus. Nothing else is a close second. Of course it out does WBB in popularity, always has, always will. It's nonsense to compare the two. Also, if you haven't noticed, since Pat Summitt was forced to retire for health reasons, fan interest in WBB has to be down, because they haven't been to a Final Four since, and that's their minimum acceptable standard.
 
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