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Enough of starters being tired

Personally, I don’t see a coach with a .885 winning % being the one who needs to change.

JMO
“All progress is the result of change”. John Wooden

“To improve is to change……..” Winston Churchill

Everything changes. The sport and the women who play it have changed. Coaches need to change as well. What was successful 10 years ago will not get it done today.
 
“All progress is the result of change”. John Wooden

“To improve is to change……..” Winston Churchill

Everything changes. The sport and the women who play it have changed. Coaches need to change as well. What was successful 10 years ago will not get it done today.
Fans sometimes miss the fact that the key to Geno’s long and successful career has been his ability to learn and adapt over time. Geno is a different coach then he was 36 years ago, or even 10 years ago.
 
Maybe after posters watched a completley outmaned Mizzo team playing only 7 people and beat the best team in the country they will stop complaining how Geno needs to sub more often so his players aren't gassed in the last quarter. Many times in the past Geno has had a 7-8 rotation and won championships that way.Uconn used to pride itself with being the best conditioned team in the country.What happened to that did they hire a new strength and condition coach if so maybe they should hire a new one.
I could suggest many types of exhaustion/tiredness. Uconn with the loss of Paige gives them the possibility of physically with mental lethargy. i doubt many really know the total effect losing Paige for 2, 3, months or the season has on the team. Maybe we could order some of what Missouri was drinking.
However, I agree Uconn historically has been one of the best "conditioned" teams in WCBB.
 
“All progress is the result of change”. John Wooden

“To improve is to change……..” Winston Churchill

Everything changes. The sport and the women who play it have changed. Coaches need to change as well. What was successful 10 years ago will not get it done today.
All coaches evolve over time, no doubt, and because of changes in players and society as a whole, they may have to loosen certain standards and even compromise on some issues. There are certain standards in every successful program, however, that the head coach has established that will never be compromised until that person is no longer in charge. Practice habits and earning your minutes, along with how hard you compete, and how you carry yourself while doing so would be some of those if history is any sort of teacher. Those standards were set starting in 1985, and I would assume if they haven’t changed in 36 years, they won’t change now.
 
Lincoln Tunnel response (Somehow the post I was responding to, didn’t come along.)

If that is true (doubtful imo) we/he will see it at the end of this season for sure and he will adjust (or not) accordingly. Some transfers are actually beneficial for both sides. Saylor and Mir will now (hopefully) be able to showcase their skills on teams that actually need them, teams where they won’t be buried behind better players.

Meanwhile, this opens two roster spots for the staff to fill with potentially better players more suited to the current style of play. A cynic might say, “those two replacements may transfer too”. That is true, but they may also become part of a 12th, 13th, 14th championship. “You pays your money, you takes your chances”!
I am and was a huge Saylor fan. I had superb expectations for her. However, Geno gave Saylor ample opportunity to show he offensive skills and set up plays that gave her that opportunity. She didn't. She was a pre-freshman or Freshman but those with high skills often display them as freshmen. I wish her well. If she had sunk two or 3 of her attemps (she didn't take many) she may have slipped in along side of Caroline and helped lift this team while Paige and Azzi get well. I'll cheer for her and Mir if they score big
 
In 2015 UConn went 38-1, winning their 3rd straight championship with what was basically a 6 player rotation: Stewie, Mo, Tuck, KML, Kia & Kiah. In a physical championship game vs ND, UConn won 63-53, playing only 7 players against 8 Irish players.

In fact, UConn really played 6 players with Gabby’s stat line of only 3 minutes & 1 pf. Tuck, KML & Mo played all 40 minutes. Stewie played 39 minutes. Kia played 28 minutes and Kiah contributed a solid 10 minutes off the bench.

You don’t need a deep bench to win if you have the right 5-6 players on the court.
If you look over the past 20 years, your previous assessments were accurate, you will see a Geno team with 5 or no more than 7-8 but the same 5 in Big games. Fans for most of that time complained about Geno's insistence of ONLY some X number. Injuries rarely happened but did. Paige is small boned, small muscled. It could be suggested that with the games Middle school, High School, AAU, pick up, etc the wear and tear on a lighter frame was an injury waiting to happen. Azzi, came to Uconn with the issue she is recovering from. No matter the physical problem ANY player may have, it totally unfair, with out proof to assess blame.. Sometime defecation just occurs. Yes, Oldude, Geno won NC's often playing only 5 for most of the game.
 
Some of the tough guys on this board should get a clue.
Some tough guys have actually been pushed, shoved, tackled, body slammed, forearm shivered, clothslined, etc. Some tough guys know basketball and football conditioning would not cut it on a wrestling mat. UCONN's problems aren't physical conditioning and toughness. Geno says it best; it is mental weakness.
 
In 2015 UConn went 38-1, winning their 3rd straight championship with what was basically a 6 player rotation: Stewie, Mo, Tuck, KML, Kia & Kiah. In a physical championship game vs ND, UConn won 63-53, playing only 7 players against 8 Irish players.

In fact, UConn really played 6 players with Gabby’s stat line of only 3 minutes & 1 pf. Tuck, KML & Mo played all 40 minutes. Stewie played 39 minutes. Kia played 28 minutes and Kiah contributed a solid 10 minutes off the bench.

You don’t need a deep bench to win if you have the right 5-6 players on the court.
In 2016-2017 South Carolina wins title game with 6 players playing 20 minutes or more and 1 player playing 10. (3 others played 2/1/1 as game was already decided.).

In 2017-2018 Notre Dame wins title game with 6 players playing 24 minutes or more.

In 2018-2019 Baylor wins title game with 6 players playing 17 minutes or more (with 2 players getting 40 and 1 getting 37)). The 7th player got 8 minutes. I wonder how many minutes the 7th player would have gotten if Lauren Cox didn't get hurt? By the way, at the time Cox got hurt, she had played 29 of 29 minutes.

In 2020-2021 no doubt Stanford played with a much deeper bench than the others. Six players played 175 minutes in title game (one played 40) and 5 players played 25 (two played a total of 5 while one played 5). Incidentally, Kiana Williams played 40 minutes in 3 consecutive games for Stanford.

Overall you see a much tighter bench from the elite teams that win it all. As you and others have said-- you don't need a big bench normally.

Though this team has only 1 pg and only 3 guards. Three other guards and an elite perimeter defender are all out. What can we do? :) One thing we can do is not turn on them. :)
 
“All progress is the result of change”. John Wooden

“To improve is to change……..” Winston Churchill

Everything changes. The sport and the women who play it have changed. Coaches need to change as well. What was successful 10 years ago will not get it done today.
 
That is self-evidently untrue! Geno’s dominance has lasted basically 26 years, he’s been to 13 in a row! As far as I know, he has coached essentially the same system throughout those years! Pat Summit won 8 or 9 titles, Tara went 30 years between titles! Both played basically the same system all those years. Now I will say that Pat’s system actually did become tired but who knows what might have happened if she had not gotten sick? It’s not the system, it’s the players! I think we will see that starting next year, hopefully (fingers crossed) this year!
 
Add on to last post!
I believe Shea’s departure has been a large negative for this team. Our defense in particular, is really feeling her absence. Imo, of course!
 
I am and was a huge Saylor fan. I had superb expectations for her. However, Geno gave Saylor ample opportunity to show he offensive skills and set up plays that gave her that opportunity. She didn't. She was a pre-freshman or Freshman but those with high skills often display them as freshmen. I wish her well. If she had sunk two or 3 of her attemps (she didn't take many) she may have slipped in along side of Caroline and helped lift this team while Paige and Azzi get well. I'll cheer for her and Mir if they score big
So, a coach with 11 national championships gave up on a player because she didn’t make 2 or 3 shots? Methinks not. The fact is she was hurt and whether basketball or school or whatever related, or any combination of many factors, she decided to transfer.
 
Well as fans, we are about to get our answers on this whole "starters being tired" debate. If the rest of the season holds up. Meaning no games postponed or canceled. The team is looking at a Game, Day Off, Game situation. Just hope that everyone that was hurting or injured, is getting better and getting back in the gym getting shooting reps. Same with the players that weren't hurt. Get some shots (basketball) up.
 
Maybe after posters watched a completley outmaned Mizzo team playing only 7 people and beat the best team in the country they will stop complaining how Geno needs to sub more often so his players aren't gassed in the last quarter. Many times in the past Geno has had a 7-8 rotation and won championships that way.Uconn used to pride itself with being the best conditioned team in the country.What happened to that did they hire a new strength and condition coach if so maybe they should hire a new one.
Never believed 18-22 year olds should be tired from playing to much. It's called being out played.
 
Was rewatching North Carolina and Duke games from Maya’s senior year. They were down to nine players (first one Samarie Walker didn’t make the trip for personal reasons, by the second she had announced she was transferring to Kentucky). Except the last few minutes of the games six played for UCONN ( two freshman starters, Hartley and Dolson). Can’t remember which game it was but the commentators said Maya was asked, (given the need to play so many minutes) about getting fatigued. She paused a bit and said ‘I don’t do that’.
 
You know this how?
It seems to me, even if teams play us more physically than others, we are certainly not the only team that happens to. I have a hard time believing that the increased “physicality” is to such an extent that our players are unable to make it through the games.

I think I the fatigue aspect is mostly affecting Evina as she has suspect knees and is unused to this much play being required of her. I tend to agree with a couple of posters who attribute most of our woes (besides injury, of course) to mental fatigue and a roster that has largely failed to play up to it’s talent level. I think these two factors go hand in hand as some of our players are being asked to do things they simply are not capable of.

I think some of our players are what I call “mechanical” rather than “instinctive”. This imo is why certain of our players, while dominant in high school, are unable to be the same now. Their abilities come from hard work, determination, and a love for the game. However, they are not “instinctive or intuitive” players who intuitively know what to do when a play breaks down.

Remember Geno humorously demonstrating how Maya moved without the ball? He essentially said she had no clue where she was supposed to be but somehow ended up at the exact right place at just the right moment and made the necessary play. Meanwhile the announcers were saying, “look how Moore moves without the ball”! Now I have little doubt that this was mostly exaggerated but I do believe Maya was an “instinctive/intuitive” player who along with her talent, hard work, and physical skills also had this intuitive feel for the game. That’s the part that allowed her to run the girl down from behind and make the game winning steal, make the perfect pass, or make the critical shot.

We’ve been fortunate enough to have had many of these kinds of players over the years. The more of this type of player a team has, particularly at the UConn recruiting level, the more likely you are to have a dominant team that performs well in tight, intense game situations. I believe our greatest teams were those with higher numbers of those “instinctive/intuitive players.

Finally, I believe Paige is the only “for sure” player of this type on this team, although I have high hopes that Caroline is one as well. I hope Azzi is as well, but have not seen enough of her in order to make a judgement. This is not meant as any kind of put down towards any of our players! I admire and root for all of them. However, the cold hard facts of the matter (as I see it) is that we (UConn) have simply had a dearth of the specific types of players needed to get over the final hurdle of the FF! Even so, we could easily have won several of previous 4 titles if we had gotten a little luck at the right times. That imo illustrates the biggest difference between a highly talented team of “mechanical” players and one with a good percentage of instinctive ones. One needs a little luck, the other makes its own luck.
 

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