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The Pac-12 has few expansion options unless they can convince some Big-12 teams to come out west.
 
Larry Scott has 1 way for the Pac to expand ...and that blew up when UT wouldn't give up the LHN. The Pac 12 goes to the Pac 16 tmrrw if Texas, Texas Tech, OU and OSU come to see him and say they are all in. That's his ONLY move
 
In the case of the PAC, there's just not motivation to expand anymore. They completely own the entire west coast market out to Colorado. Yeah, you could add BYU, Boise State, UNLV, whatever, but I don't see how that makes them any richer.
 
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CallMeBruce said:
In the case of the PAC, there's just not motivation to expand anymore. They completely own the entire west coast market out to Colorado. Yeah, you could add BYU, Boise State, UNLV, whatever, but I don't see how that makes them any richer.
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This is the real reason for those comments, I think. What West Coast teams would they add? There's no one left.

Sometimes the best deals are the ones you don't make, and I think that adding Texas and Oklahoma to a Pacific coast league was one of them. They're in great shape to dominate two entire time zones with little to no competition.
 
UConn9604 said:
This is the real reason for those comments, I think. What West Coast teams would they add? There's no one left.

Sometimes the best deals are the ones you don't make, and I think that adding Texas and Oklahoma to a Pacific coast league was one of them. They're in great shape to dominate two entire time zones with little to no competition.
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I think that's the thing. If the Big 12 looks like it might try to expand west, I could see the PAC stepping up and grabbing the handful of pieces that have some real value. But until then, what's the motivation? The PAC isn't worried about competition from the MWC any more than the B1G is worried about competition from the MAC.
 
People always say this, but I've always thought Hawaii could/would add value to the league. ESPN regularly shows games during the season that start at 10/1030/11PM ET. Hawaii really had it rolling for a little while, the problem is they provide no revenue really for a network and now their athletic program is in shambles. I just wonder had all this been happening when they were coming off a BCS bid if they would've gotten a more serious look.
 
Drew said:
People always say this, but I've always thought Hawaii could/would add value to the league. ESPN regularly shows games during the season that start at 10/1030/11PM ET. Hawaii really had it rolling for a little while, the problem is they provide no revenue really for a network and now their athletic program is in shambles. I just wonder had all this been happening when they were coming off a BCS bid if they would've gotten a more serious look.
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It wouldn't matter. Conference Realignment don't care if you've just come off a BCS bid.
 
UConn9604 said:
It wouldn't matter. Conference Realignment don't care if you've just come off a BCS bid.
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For those not up on our recent CR history, read this article from 2011. We aren't making this stuff up.

"DeFilippo (the BC AD) does not deny that BC opposed the inclusion of UConn. “We didn’t want them in,’’ he said. “It was a matter of turf. We wanted to be the New England team.’’

Also, a creepily prophetic statement by the author:

Adding Syracuse and Pitt "...strikes what could be a crushing blow to the ACC’s biggest rival. The Big East is now struggling to maintain its BCS status in football, although conference officials insist they will hold Pitt and Syracuse to the 27-month exit timetable.

Without Syracuse and Pittsburgh, Big East basketball is ready to implode; there is growing sentiment for the seven non-football Catholic schools to break away with Notre Dame and form a solid eight- or 10-team Catholic league.

If that happens, the ACC will be the leader in college basketball not only on the Atlantic Coast but nationally.

For BC, it could also mean a crippling blow to UConn, which could be reduced to Conference USA-type status unless it finds a new home."
 
Conference expansion is not over. The B12 needs a championship game before it loses OU and others. The ACC needs a network. The SEC and B1G are in an epic "King of the Cash Mountain" battle. It's not surprising that the commissioner of the PAC is making these comments. As others have said, there are a very limited number of power conference worthy options out west. My guess is that he's saying this in hopes that the B12 stays put at 10, folds in a few years, and he can aggressively pursue Texas/OU/Kansas etc to join the PAC.
 
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The PAC will at some point, grab Central Time Zone schools. They already play 3:30-11pm ET games and there has been "talk" that they do want in on the 12pm ET time slot regularly. USC/Oregon AT any of those Okie or Texas schools at Noon ET. Yup, that will get some viewers.
 
31GuardTrap said:
The PAC will at some point, grab Central Time Zone schools. They already play 3:30-11pm ET games and there has been "talk" that they do want in on the 12pm ET time slot regularly. USC/Oregon AT any of those Okie or Texas schools at Noon ET. Yup, that will get some viewers.
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Yeah, I could see definitely see the PAC sifting through the ashes of the Big 12 if it comes to that.
 
Agree. If states have to split up (OU & Okielite; Texas & TCU/Tech; KU & KSU, etc) form some sort of power raid, the PAC would be a nice landing spot for some of those schools. The draw would be to get your Oregon and your USC games on earlier so it can draw ratings from eastern markets as well as out west. I don't know much about how ratings shake out over timezones, but I can't imagine that starting games at 10PM EST is good for east coast ratings.
 
Most of the Pac 12 would like this setup of 16 teams:

East: Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Arizona St.
West: USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Washington, Washington St., Oregon, Oregon St.

This would keep most rivalries intact and it would allow for the old Pac 8 to play each other every year. And, this conference would rival the SEC as the best in college football.
 
UConnJim said:
Most of the Pac 12 would like this setup of 16 teams:

East: Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Arizona St.
West: USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Washington, Washington St., Oregon, Oregon St.

This would keep most rivalries intact and it would allow for the old Pac 8 to play each other every year. And, this conference would rival the SEC as the best in college football.
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Jeez...imagine this friggin lineup and a USC/ Texas...Oregon/Oklahoma CCG. Down the road, this could evolve into the very best Football Conference....it "could".
 
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31GuardTrap said:
Jeez...imagine this friggin lineup and a USC/ Texas...Oregon/Oklahoma CCG. Down the road, this could evolve into the very best Football Conference....it "could".
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That lets the B1G go to 16 with UConn and Kansas giving the B1G rights as the best basketball league. SEC expands to 16 by adding Baylor and prying either V Tech or NC State away from the ACC. The ACC backfills that loss with West Virginia, ND goes full membership, and Cincinnati rounds them off at 16.

Then, college football moves to an 8 team playoff. Each of the P4 conference winners get a birth plus 2 wildcards along with the best 2 teams from the other conferences.

I still think the B1G wants 20; but, this works for me with UConn in a good home.
 
Sea Goat said:
Interesting that it is featured on the NCAA website. The NCAA wishfully thinks that expansion may be over because it is one more round of expansion away from potential extinction.
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Had the exact same thought about the source of this article. As soon as I saw it was from ncaa.com, it lost any chance of me clicking on it.
 
Thread title is a bit misleading. Scott is speaking about Pac expansion only, not conferences in general. I'm sure Scott would like the B1G, SEC, et. al. to continue adding teams on hopes they dilute their per team revenues to the point that Pac teams are more competitive.
 
PAC 12 could be interested in the San Diego market, or not. That conference isn't really a barometer since all the scrambling is done in EST.
 
UCONN13KC said:
PAC 12 could be interested in the San Diego market, or not. That conference isn't really a barometer since all the scrambling is done in EST.
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Why, they already have that market. Unless they can pull Texas, the PAC will be at 12 for the long haul. There just isn't anybody that would help them out west. Since Texas has eastern eyes, I think a 12 team PAC is it.
 
UConnJim said:
Most of the Pac 12 would like this setup of 16 teams:

East: Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Arizona St.
West: USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Washington, Washington St., Oregon, Oregon St.

This would keep most rivalries intact and it would allow for the old Pac 8 to play each other every year. And, this conference would rival the SEC as the best in college football.
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My understanding of this config is that the Arizona schools would have major issues with not playing the California schools. They want maximal exposure in CA for recruiting both athletes and students.
 
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huskypantz said:
My understanding of this config is that the Arizona schools would have major issues with not playing the California schools. They want maximal exposure in CA for recruiting both athletes and students.
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Not if they are now exposed to the Texas kids.
 
31GuardTrap said:
Not if they are now exposed to the Texas kids.
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I don't think people in the Northeast generally appreciate the distances

Arizona is 400 miles from LA ,900 from Austin even Lubbock (Texas Tech)is 750 miles away.
I can drive to San Diago in 5 hours LA is a tad longer via the I8 and I10 respectively.
But it's an easy drive to either. Some hills but no snow.
El Paso is the closest Texas city but why would you go there.
The retires are mostly from B1G country ,or the Pacificic NW
A lot of recent emigrants are from California and the upper Midwest
ASU would be more comfortable in the B1G than B12
Tucson is in a world of its own and has even talked about breaking away from the rest of AZ.
The B12 has limited popularity here. there are a bunch of Nebraska fans and a few Missouri fans.. Other than the Fiesta Bowl I've never even seen an Oklahoma fan.
Many of them drove 10 to 12 hours to get to the game.
That time of year coming the I40 is pretty bad as much of it is at altitudes of 6,000 to 9000ft So the Rockies and Texas vastness isolates us from B12 country. Especially in late fall or winter.
The idea that a Texas kid would want to play at Arizona but Connecticut is too far from New Jersey is pretty ridicules.
 
As I have mentioned before and I still think the the Big 12 is going to history soon just like the SWC before them. Texas will go Independent. Both Oklahoma schools will travel to the SEC. Both Kansas school will go to the Big 10 along with Iowa State.. This leaves the PAC 10 to pick up the scraps of the Big 12 Conference. There will only be Four Power Conferences. The ACC will loose teams as well but will steal schools from the AAC. UConn better hope that the Big 10 grabs them when these Power Four Conferences jump to 16 teams. Hopefully they will not end up in the ACC. Florida State will jump ship and head to the SEC. And, I wouldn't be surprised if one of the Virginia schools goes as well.
 
SportsPageMike said:
As I have mentioned before and I still think the the Big 12 is going to history soon just like the SWC before them. Texas will go Independent. Both Oklahoma schools will travel to the SEC. Both Kansas school will go to the Big 10 along with Iowa State.. This leaves the PAC 10 to pick up the scraps of the Big 12 Conference. There will only be Four Power Conferences. The ACC will loose teams as well but will steal schools from the AAC. UConn better hope that the Big 10 grabs them when these Power Four Conferences jump to 16 teams. Hopefully they will not end up in the ACC. Florida State will jump ship and head to the SEC. And, I wouldn't be surprised if one of the Virginia schools goes as well.
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My issues with this theory:

1. Why would Fox do this? They would lose the two biggest brands in Texas and the Sooners. Right now they have the majority of UT's football games, and all of Oklahoma's sports but one football game. All so they could keep Kansas? That's a big hit. Don't think they will like that.

2. Why would the Big10 do this? ISU and KSU don't fit the Big10 model. In fact, they would lose money. Now, I can see the Big10 taking ISU as part of a larger package, but it would have to be part of a pretty impressive group, more than the two Kansas schools. KSU is not academically sufficient for the Big10. I don't believe AAU membership is required, but they aren't even close. This set up would lose money for the Big10. Not going to happen.

3. Why would the PAC12 do this? WVU, TTU, TCU and Baylor make for an incredible money maker, don't you think?

4. Why would ESPN want FSU to go to the SEC? It would lose money for them. Taking FSU and probably VT (as UVA would turn their noses up at the SEC) would take away from ACC football to the point they would lose money. The SECN doubling down on Florida doesn't make sense. They aren't going to get more from the residents of Florida and FSU would fight it anyways. ESPN needs some premium programming from the ACC for ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU. And if they ever are going to an ACCN, this move would be ridiculous.

The big prize for ESPN right now is to have UT in full. Pushing Fox out of the state of Texas is huge for them. To do that, they have to give up something, and Kansas isn't enough to do that.
 
CallMeBruce said:
I don't see why the B1G would have any interest in Kansas State or Iowa State.
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KSU don't have a chance unless UT or ND says they need them to come in with them. ISU might as part of a bigger package otherwise what do they add they don't already have? ISU is one team I actually hate to see left out and they have a solid fanbase core. I think east and west get 1 more each into the B1G unless somethings too good to pass on. Okla could mess up a Kansas/UConn add IMO. Okie St? Doubt it...
 
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