College football coaches need at least three years to implement their systems and recruits...although that theory is admittedly garbage, I must admit. Think of the next hire. Why would anyone with promise want to take a job at an AAC school that fires its' coach after going 5-7 for two consecutive seasons? PP isn't our guy, but I'm of the humble opinion that our fanbase may need a better frame of reference...
Embattled UConn Athletic Director Warde Manuel should be earning the ire of President Herbst
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One must acknowledge the role CR uncertainty played in retaining P as well as the whole, his recruits third year argument.
All those melted away on Thursday when an unprepared and unimproved team showed its ass on a third party internet broadcast against a lower division team.
Legit arguments were made to hire and retain P before this year. I didn't agree, but they were legit. What's the argument now? The only one is that it takes time to put the transition pieces in place. It had to be a big shock to everyone how bad they looked.
Thursday is the drop dead date this week. After that who knows what Warde will do.
All those melted away on Thursday when an unprepared and unimproved team showed its ass on a third party internet broadcast against a lower division team.
Legit arguments were made to hire and retain P before this year. I didn't agree, but they were legit. What's the argument now? The only one is that it takes time to put the transition pieces in place. It had to be a big shock to everyone how bad they looked.
Thursday is the drop dead date this week. After that who knows what Warde will do.
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I know we've had our differences, but I am in accord with you here. As the shellshock wore off from Thursday's game, I have come to realize quite clearly that we are not in the midst of a coaching problem, or a player personnel problem - football is football, coaches coach and players play, but what we are in the process of determining in real time, and real life in the next few weeks, what kind of leadership we trully have, and what our goals as an athletic institution coupled with an academic institution are to be.
It's a crossroads we are at with our university leadership at the highest levels, and the actions they take are going to speak louder than any words. For where we are right now, every person connected to the situation from the players up on through the athletic department to the chair of the board himself, need only look in the mirror. Nobody more than the head coach himself.
I've already stated my case - for me - my personal opinion, on how I would look at it, if I had any decision making power at all (I don't) every single coach on this staff has moved to one week contracts, and I've got my connections working overtime filling up lists of potential replacements, and things stay that way, until such time as the one week contract is over and won't be renewed, or they've earned the opportunity to extend those contracts.
I'll tell you waht fairfield county fan, I'm just a lowly lowly fan of this football program, and I've been a staunch supporter up until that disaster of an opening game at home Thursday, but my opinion is that if Susan Herbst, Larry McHugh, and Warde Manuel have waited unitl now to begin to address the kinds of things that I just wrote, and haven't been doing it all along - we are FUBAR.
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Hey, it's possible. We are all reading tea leafs. What is clear is this circus show isn't working, and the circus master is asleep.
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I think when it's an obvious wrong hire you can fire one guy quickly. You can't keep firing guys constantly, but you don't scare people off with one. Might force you into a longer initial contract but when you change ADs people understand one obvious change.
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Pasqualoni and DeLeone need to be fired NOW. But it appears clear that Warde is going to sacrifice this season and pray for a miracle. t that point, the only way for this program to be saved will be to pay a big time coach some serious money. Hiring another retread will cement our fate as lifers stuck in a mid-major conference.
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Completely agree with this. He made it to year 3 and got blown out by a FCS team. That's plenty of time and other coaches will surely understand. At the VERY LEAST, Warde needs to override Pasqualoni and fire DeLeone. If that means Pasqualoni quits, then that will be all the better.
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We heard at the end of camp about how tough our O-line had it because of our tough D-line. Well that observation has been shot full of holes. When we had Petrus and Mike Ryan on the line McCoombs had a decent year but at 5-7 PP put GDL in charge to straighten things out. Our run game evaporated. The deterioration of our O-line under these guys has been astounding. Another game with only one RB getting the ball. GDL should be shown the door ASAP.
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Has Warde made any public comment about the team or the coach? after the most embarrassing game in school history? I don't undestand how that is even possible..
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I understand this line of thinking.... but it's pretty easy to calm the prospective coaches fears... just tell him don't go 5-7 in two consecutive seasons then lose to an FCS school. I suspect that Coach P coaches out the season though.
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What the hell do you expect him to say?
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Well, I already expected him to fire PP. but since that doiesn't appear to be happening, I expected someone to get him on the record saying "he is monitoring the progress of the football team."
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I disagree. I think that making public statements right now are meaningless. It's actions that are going to speak from here on in, and the guy is either going to show himself as an effective AD or he won't.
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Agreed. Don't want to hear anything short of an announcement. Otherwise we're staying the course. Continuity.
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SOMETHING to the 23K season ticket holders that he knows what happened Thursday was horrendous. He frigging owes people at least that. Silence is saying "I know people are pissed but we don't care because Michigan is coming and they'll bring fans". Silence is saying "you dumb-butts who are paying for this program have to put with three more months and six more home games of this". Sick of this second-hand "I saw him walking down down to the field and boy did he look mad". He's gotta say something. Getting close to the point where Herbst should, too.
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I continue to disagree, and will till I'm blue in the face. Words only have power when action backs them up. THere is nothing to back up anyone's wrod about anything right now when it comes to the football program. Kevin Ollie has managed to match words and action to date, but I don't think there was a doubt about that. Geno is Geno. THe rest of the athletic department does their things.
THere are no words right now for the football program, and anything anybody says is meaningless. It's action time or be gone.
THere are no words right now for the football program, and anything anybody says is meaningless. It's action time or be gone.
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You've all said it and to sum up - zero leadership at every level. The silence and lack of action is deafening. Leaders would have acted one way or another. Defend P and believe in his system (fine - leadership, but completely wrong) or fire the guy and make a statement (which is long past due in my opinion). Leadership recognizes a change must be made fast to take advantage of 2 weeks of prep. Leadership on the other side says no changes, we are riding this horse- and the kids understand they must rally. Nothing but being mad leaves uncertainty and creates instability. This behavior is symptomatic of this feckless group operates. Hedging is not leadership. It's weakness of conviction. NON-WINNERS -ALL OF THEM. They blew it at the end of last season and are missing the second chance to do what should be done.
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We know the move will be made at the end of the season, or at least not until UConn is mathematically eliminated from bowl contention. Everyone stamping their feet like toddlers from now till December howling for immediate action knows this. There is nobody on staff who can salvage the season, not Hughes, not Weist, not Foley... so don't hold your breath for that move to be made. And some things are so blindingly obvious there us absolutely no need and no purpose the the AD making a statement of the obvious solely for the purpose to echo the feelings of insecure fans who crave validation. (plus the instant he says those things, others will instantly criticize the statement for some other stupid reason). But we're still going to have months of temper tantrums saying I want it NOW NOW NOW... Man it is going to be a long season.
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Sorry Jungle, I think we're generally on the same page but a little unfair to characterize people angry about Thursday as angry toddlers throwing a temper tantrum. Warde threw the ever-decreasing season-ticket "base" a bone with a new OC who may or may not really be in charge of the offense. That blew up in three hours Thursday. I also disagree that a coaching change now can't "salvage" the season. Stranger things have happened. We know this team is not responding to whatever P and GDL are selling. Time to give someone else a shot and give people something to hang their hat on when they walk into the Rent.
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Hey pipe down you whiners! It's Labor Day Weekend! They all just got big raises in Storrs and they are sleeping soundly. What we really need is on Tuesday the guy that owns the Huskie Fanbulance to drive up to Gulley hall and wheel a patient dressed up as a UConn player into the lobby while preforming CPR. Invite the Horde to get her spokewomans response.
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Huh? What good would that do, beside looking lame and gutless.
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It would instantly improve our OL. Our OL is the worst in college football. Plus, since we all know PP went to bat for GDL in the offseason, if firing GDL means PP leaves too, then consider that icing on the cake. And I was talking about at the very least. I would like to see both gone under the premise of football is important at UCONN and is held to the same standard of excellence as our other national championship caliber programs.
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Well, if anyone would know pretentious posturing, I guess you would. Or should I SAY you WOULD. As far as Manuel's tenure, I think he's been a disaster and will continue to be. We'll see what happens with Ollie. My guess is that he'll be fine. But he is one lucky bastid. He will regularly run up good to great records, if only because he'll be coaching in a trash pit league. The real proof will come in the post season. College basketball at a high level is all about the tournament. Everything else is meaningless.
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I agree with Whaler 100% that Warde bought the Pasqualoni problem when he didn't fire him last year. The buyout is peanuts. A $3MM buyout can play a factor in firing a head coach, but if $500k buyout really played any role in the decision to keep Pasqualoni, then we shouldn't be playing FBS football. Pasqualoni actually has one of the most school friendly contracts that I have ever read about. It is actually a lot cheaper to fire him than to keep him, since he has a big salary and a small buyout.
The entire UConn athletic program is in limbo right now because of CR, and Warde Manuel is about as bad as an AD as we can have right now. What has he done well? Announced that he wants to build a basketball practice facility that he hasn't raised the money to build? Does that qualify as an accomplishment?
Finally, look at the way Manuel treated Ollie vs. the way he treated Pasqualoni. Ollie pulled a huge upset in his first game, and then proceeded to have a great year despite being 3 schollies short and having injury problems and nothing to play for. We may never know, but I strongly suspect that Manuel didn't move until Ollie's agent had been approached by multiple schools. Pasqualoni found someone to pay him $1.8MM or so all in to be retired on the job, and keep his buddy employed. If I was Ollie, I would be pretty pissed at the double standard.
Tolerating incompetence sends a message to everyone in the organization.
The entire UConn athletic program is in limbo right now because of CR, and Warde Manuel is about as bad as an AD as we can have right now. What has he done well? Announced that he wants to build a basketball practice facility that he hasn't raised the money to build? Does that qualify as an accomplishment?
Finally, look at the way Manuel treated Ollie vs. the way he treated Pasqualoni. Ollie pulled a huge upset in his first game, and then proceeded to have a great year despite being 3 schollies short and having injury problems and nothing to play for. We may never know, but I strongly suspect that Manuel didn't move until Ollie's agent had been approached by multiple schools. Pasqualoni found someone to pay him $1.8MM or so all in to be retired on the job, and keep his buddy employed. If I was Ollie, I would be pretty pissed at the double standard.
Tolerating incompetence sends a message to everyone in the organization.
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Nelson, buyout's a bit higher-$750k But that is chicken feed when you look at the opportunity cost-
Details of Pasqualoni's buyout:
the event that the University terminates the contract for any other reason than just cause as defined by the contract, the coach shall be entitled to continue to receive the following payment in full satisfaction of the university's obligation to the coach:
January 14, 2011-December 31, 2011: $1,250,000 January 1, 2012-December 31, 2012: $1,000,000 January 1, 2013-December 31, 2013: $750,000 January 1, 2014-December 31, 2014: $600,000 January 1, 2015-December 31, 2015: $400,000
Details of Pasqualoni's buyout:
the event that the University terminates the contract for any other reason than just cause as defined by the contract, the coach shall be entitled to continue to receive the following payment in full satisfaction of the university's obligation to the coach:
January 14, 2011-December 31, 2011: $1,250,000 January 1, 2012-December 31, 2012: $1,000,000 January 1, 2013-December 31, 2013: $750,000 January 1, 2014-December 31, 2014: $600,000 January 1, 2015-December 31, 2015: $400,000
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