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2021 Recruiting: El Ellis

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WhereistheDove? said:
I believe he made a specific prediction that Patterson was committing to UConn in June, not a general prediction (unless I missed it).
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i took it to be more general. it was in the TP thread but that doesnt necessarily mean it was about TP (as one might logically assume). He's done that before, I believe he first made the richie springs prediction in a thread about someone else
 
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bendm said:
i took it to be more general. it was in the TP thread but that doesnt necessarily mean it was about TP (as one might logically assume). He's done that before, I believe he first made the richie springs prediction in a thread about someone else
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He's never going to make specific predictions because he doesn't actually know anything. I don't understand why you people keep doing this.
 


Lots of pull up threes, drives to the basket and steals in this highlight reel.
 
bendm said:
i took it to be more general. it was in the TP thread but that doesnt necessarily mean it was about TP (as one might logically assume). He's done that before, I believe he first made the richie springs prediction in a thread about someone else
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Exactly. So he makes stuff up then claims later “see, I predicted it!”
 
Based on El's tape.. Does the Boneyard Scouting Dept see his natural position as a PG?..a CG?..Or a SG? At a four year school..Roster construction dependent??Might be the particular highlights shown on the posted videos.. El can clearly score.. Didn't see many passes to teammates.. Thinking more CG/SG than PG..See some Ben Gordon in his game..
 
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Grey Goose said:
Based on El's tape.. Does the Boneyard Scouting Dept see his natural position as a PG?..a CG?..Or a SG? At a four year school..Roster construction dependent??Might be the particular highlights shown on the posted videos.. El can clearly score.. Didn't see many passes to teammates.. Thinking more CG/SG than PG..See some Ben Gordon in his game..
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@AntG168 made a Russ Smith (Louisville 2010-14) comparison which I really liked. Undersized combo guard type but can really score the rock. Not sure if you want him as your primary PG as I'm not sure how he is as a distributor, but can certainly play it in a pinch. Exciting player regardless of how you look at it.
 
Mooch82 said:
@AntG168 made a Russ Smith (Louisville 2010-14) comparison which I really liked. Undersized combo guard type but can really score the rock. Not sure if you want him as your primary PG as I'm not sure how he is as a distributor, but can certainly play it in a pinch. Exciting player regardless of how you look at it.
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Russ Smith was different. That dude was an animal on the defensive end and a great offensive player. A player like that would be one hell of a get.
 
I think he's somewhere in between A. Gilbert at his best and Russ Smith at his worst
 
bendm said:
chief also said someone was committing in june and ellis is the only conceivable possibility...
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He was pretty clearly talking about Patterson when he said that.
 
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Mooch82 said:
@AntG168 made a Russ Smith (Louisville 2010-14) comparison which I really liked. Undersized combo guard type but can really score the rock. Not sure if you want him as your primary PG as I'm not sure how he is as a distributor, but can certainly play it in a pinch. Exciting player regardless of how you look at it.
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Agree with your comments about not your primary PG..In videos looks ball-dominant..Too many talented offensive players for the Program going forward..He would have to share the rock..I'm sure Dan Hurley would be successful in showing him the wisdom in that strategy..
 
Rico444 said:
He was pretty clearly talking about Patterson when he said that.
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at the time i even commented on it saying it probably wasnt about TP, but i digress. if there's a debate not worth having this is it
 
UCSouth said:
I believe that Watchdog posted a series of questions, not statements. So please enlighten us as to how recruits think these things through.
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Mr. French said:
I generally like your posts, but why so snarky? Do you KNOW how EVERY recruit thinks about their recruiting process and what factors they put stock into? Not only that, but as mentioned by another poster, the dude didn't even make any declarations he actually asked questions. Just seems a bit much with the attitude.
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And here I thought a Chief supporter might attack me for my comment about Chief "leaning on a broom at games".:rolleyes:

I directed my questions to Husky429 because he's a coach, provides thoughtful responses, and many here, including me, value his insights. While Husky429's response made perfect sense, we also got what appears to be an attention seeking, off topic, comment offering nothing of value regarding Ellis' recruitment.

The comment appears to be part of a pattern of one-liners taking a shot at others. Similar to ones made in the past couple weeks to another poster and me. In my case it was within 2 or 3 minutes of a post I made between 12 and 1 AM.

The common threads regarding me are an implied assertion that I am hopelessly in need of enlightenment, and the age he imagines me to be somehow disqualifies me from even asking questions about what motivates recruits to make choices.

Now where's that "ignore" button that will relieve me of all this stress?
 
Grey Goose said:
Based on El's tape.. Does the Boneyard Scouting Dept see his natural position as a PG?..a CG?..Or a SG? At a four year school..Roster construction dependent??Might be the particular highlights shown on the posted videos.. El can clearly score.. Didn't see many passes to teammates.. Thinking more CG/SG than PG..See some Ben Gordon in his game..
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In the two games I watched he played PG exclusively. I mentioned another time how surprised I was because the highlights made it seem like he would be a more selfish player.

Definitely has some moments of trying too hard to score. But that isn't gonna happen with Hurley and with a roster with as many options as we will have

I think going 2 PGs with any combination of Gaffney/RJ/Ellis could be very effective.
 
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Based on El's tape.. Does the Boneyard Scouting Dept see his natural position as a PG?..a CG?..Or a SG? At a four year school..Roster construction dependent??Might be the particular highlights shown on the posted videos.. El can clearly score.. Didn't see many passes to teammates.. Thinking more CG/SG than PG..See some Ben Gordon in his game..
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Scoring point guard. Similar to Boatright.
 
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Ouch. Ellis was literally unremarkable in that Chipola game. Until the last 5 minutes I don't believe he scored, or had a rebound, had 1 assist, and 1 or 2 turnovers. He accomplished nothing with the ball in his hands. On more than 1 occasion he was trying to set the offense and got driven back to mid court looking uncomfortable being pressured by a defender. Defensively Chipola hit 3-4 threes over him with non existent close outs. Then he hit 2 threes and 2 drives and 1 FT in the last 5 minutes of the game. Definitely lowered my enthusiasm.
 
Ricker said:
Ouch. Ellis was literally unremarkable in that Chipola game. Until the last 5 minutes I don't believe he scored, or had a rebound, had 1 assist, and 1 or 2 turnovers. He accomplished nothing with the ball in his hands. On more than 1 occasion he was trying to set the offense and got driven back to mid court looking uncomfortable being pressured by a defender. Defensively Chipola hit 3-4 threes over him with non existent close outs. Then he hit 2 threes and 2 drives and 1 FT in the last 5 minutes of the game. Definitely lowered my enthusiasm.
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It was one game....he was damn near one of the best JUCO players last season
 
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Ricker said:
Ouch. Ellis was literally unremarkable in that Chipola game. Until the last 5 minutes I don't believe he scored, or had a rebound, had 1 assist, and 1 or 2 turnovers. He accomplished nothing with the ball in his hands. On more than 1 occasion he was trying to set the offense and got driven back to mid court looking uncomfortable being pressured by a defender. Defensively Chipola hit 3-4 threes over him with non existent close outs. Then he hit 2 threes and 2 drives and 1 FT in the last 5 minutes of the game. Definitely lowered my enthusiasm.
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In the other games posted...

vs Eastern Florida (conference semi-finals): 2/5/7 1 TO 1/5 2FG 0/3 3FG 0/0 FT

vs Gulf Coast State (Championship Game): 12/1/1 4 TO 2/8 2FG 2/7 3FG 2/2 FT

vs Penascola (2/1/20): 18/4/4 2 TO 3/7 2FG 4/8 3FG 0/0 FT

1. It is worth noting that his team has more D1 talent than basically anyone we're going to recruit outside of a kid going to Montverde or something. Even Patrick school outside of Kuminga probably doesn't have a roster full of D1 prospects at every position. I think I wrote a few days ago that all but 1 of the sophomores on his team has committed to a D1 school.

2. He is definitely a streaky player. Has multiple 30+ point outbursts, and a few clunkers too like the abysmal 2 point game vs eastern florida. A second JUCO season will be good for him.

3. His closeouts do suck. There are times he's throwing both arms up like coaches were teaching in 1973 instead of just getting into the body of shooters.

4. When he played vs Chipola a couple weeks earlier he whooped them. 22 points.. 60% from the field and 4/5 from 3. They were probably especially focused on taking him out of the game.
 
Ricker said:
Ouch. Ellis was literally unremarkable in that Chipola game. Until the last 5 minutes I don't believe he scored, or had a rebound, had 1 assist, and 1 or 2 turnovers. He accomplished nothing with the ball in his hands. On more than 1 occasion he was trying to set the offense and got driven back to mid court looking uncomfortable being pressured by a defender. Defensively Chipola hit 3-4 threes over him with non existent close outs. Then he hit 2 threes and 2 drives and 1 FT in the last 5 minutes of the game. Definitely lowered my enthusiasm.
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he was battling diarrhea that game. It happens
 
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