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Even if there is no financial commitment, by delaying approving or rejecting a contract extension it sends a message to Randy and to other UConn coaches: winning is important at least half of the time.
 
Why do you think the only way to relay your expectations regarding performance is in the timing of a contract extension? Maybe the AD has had direct conversations with Edsall about performance. Playing around with contracts in public can affect recruiting too.
 
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Vuce said:
It’s not a 5 year guaranteed contract. UConn can fire him at any time during the contract and it will cost them $0. There is literally no downside to the contract. It can help recruiting without any long term monetary issues if performance isn’t up to p
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Vuce said:
You still haven’t explained what the issue is with a contract extension where there is no financial commitment if UConn lets Edsall go before it expires.
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No downside financially but waht is the upside of Randy Edsall being the coach? Hasn't shown anything since he returned (why he was brought back is beyond me).
 
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Benedict understands that RE was doing a slow build. To fire him and bring someone else in now just starts a new rebuild. That would mean 4 coaches in 10 yrs and nothing good to show for it. We will never be able to attract 4 stars and big transfers- admissions won't let us take just anyone, so stop thinking someone else is going to come in here and change things around.
 
hardcorehusky said:
Benedict understands that RE was doing a slow build. To fire him and bring someone else in now just starts a new rebuild. That would mean 4 coaches in 10 yrs and nothing good to show for it. We will never be able to attract 4 stars and big transfers- admissions won't let us take just anyone, so stop thinking someone else is going to come in here and change things around.
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In 2015, Bleacher Report noted that

Of the 128 FBS programs, how many do you think have kept the same head coach for the last 10 years?
How about 14? That amounts to only 11 percent of the field.
On average, FBS teams have had 2.65 head coaches during the last 10 years. At one end of the spectrum there are the programs with absolute continuity, while on the other are 19 teams (15 percent) that have switched leaders four-plus times.

In 2017, BusinessInsider reported
of the 130 current FBS programs, 89 (68%) have, or will have, a head coach in 2018 who has been at their current school fewer than five years. The average tenure for NCAA FBS football coaches is 3.8 years.

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LoyalFanCT said:
In 2015, Bleacher Report noted that

Of the 128 FBS programs, how many do you think have kept the same head coach for the last 10 years?
How about 14? That amounts to only 11 percent of the field.
On average, FBS teams have had 2.65 head coaches during the last 10 years. At one end of the spectrum there are the programs with absolute continuity, while on the other are 19 teams (15 percent) that have switched leaders four-plus times.

In 2017, BusinessInsider reported
of the 130 current FBS programs, 89 (68%) have, or will have, a head coach in 2018 who has been at their current school fewer than five years. The average tenure for NCAA FBS football coaches is 3.8 years.

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so what? UConn has a history of long tenured coaches in all sports. It has worked out well for the University.
 
hardcorehusky said:
so what? UConn has a history of long tenured coaches in all sports. It has worked out well for the University.
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Coach PP, Coach Diaco, Randy II -- worked out great? FB is in the sub-basement of the college FBS rankings!
 
The key as others have mentioned is there are no financial implications if they fire Edsall. If they did something like add a buyout then it would be absolutely crazy but they didn’t.
 
No big deal
It's important the RE2 and UConn have success on the field for the university and to do that you have to be able to recruit without any issues looming over you.
 
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LoyalFanCT said:
In 2015, Bleacher Report noted that

Of the 128 FBS programs, how many do you think have kept the same head coach for the last 10 years?
How about 14? That amounts to only 11 percent of the field.
On average, FBS teams have had 2.65 head coaches during the last 10 years. At one end of the spectrum there are the programs with absolute continuity, while on the other are 19 teams (15 percent) that have switched leaders four-plus times.

In 2017, BusinessInsider reported
of the 130 current FBS programs, 89 (68%) have, or will have, a head coach in 2018 who has been at their current school fewer than five years. The average tenure for NCAA FBS football coaches is 3.8 years.

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Those pretty much line up with what we will have he last 10 years of playing. Edsall2 4 years on the field and 4 HCs.
 
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I'm not sure what everyone is really in a rush here for...look, we are already at the bottom of the barrel. Edsall may not be our answer, tbh he probably isn't. However, we need a foundation somewhere to build off of. We had one after he left and PP started the cracks and Diaco brought a sledgehammer to it. Keeping Edsall on an extended, buyout free deal to maintain recruiting is a no brainer. Let him take the players he has recruited and let them come together and form that foundation. Why restart again after we've suffered through 4 years already. The reset was hit and we're already going nowhere. Why not ride this out another year now that it's been a full roster of his recruits and a full year of work outs. We're an independent, we have no bowl tie ins, we already have a TV deal, we have a schedule set with games against name teams. We are in a spot with nothing to lose by waiting another year.
 
If we were going to split with Randy (and I'm not advocating we should have), the time to do it was November 2019. That window has passed. Its nuts to think a message needs to be sent, the message is obvious and hanging thickly in the air. Randy knows in 2021 he needs to show something. Everyone knows. A contract extension with zero buyout is a no brainer and a functional must. At this salary level he is a bargain in D1.

I can't put a certain figure on the win total for 2021; probably need a 4 win season with some very competitive losses & continued good vibes from the staff/roster. Right now support from the players is at an all time high as the make over of the roster/culture is complete.
 
Benedict could fire Randy this spring and replace him, even with someone like Bill Clark at UAB. Clark may be cheaper than Randy. Clark has experience in turning around a struggling program. He was Sporting News College Football Coach of the Year. Or find someone else.
 
Exit 4 said:
If we were going to split with Randy (and I'm not advocating we should have), the time to do it was November 2019. That window has passed. Its nuts to think a message needs to be sent, the message is obvious and hanging thickly in the air. Randy knows in 2021 he needs to show something. Everyone knows. A contract extension with zero buyout is a no brainer and a functional must. At this salary level he is a bargain in D1.

I can't put a certain figure on the win total for 2021; probably need a 4 win season with some very competitive losses & continued good vibes from the staff/roster. Right now support from the players is at an all time high as the make over of the roster/culture is complete.
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Agree for the most part (he should have been fired in November, 2019) but he is certainly no a bargain, not with his performance.

He has been an unmitigated disaster in round 2 but he without a doubt builds culture and kids in the program have character.

The next coach has to be a home run. And for this program home run doesn’t mean what it does at other programs. It means a modern offense and markedly improved recruiting (I think running a fun offense will result in better offensive recruits).
 
LoyalFanCT said:
Benedict could fire Randy this spring and replace him, even with someone like Bill Clark at UAB. Clark may be cheaper than Randy. Clark has experience in turning around a struggling program. He was Sporting News College Football Coach of the Year. Or find someone else.
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Find a young hungry coach willing to bet on himself. Do a better job finding and interviewing candidates. That’s what needs to be done.

Don’t care if coach leaves after 4 years for better job, just care that the program is in better place than when they started.
 
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huskysupporter said:
Agree for the most part (he should have been fired in November, 2019) but he is certainly no a bargain, not with his performance.

He has been an unmitigated disaster in round 2 but he without a doubt builds culture and kids in the program have character.

The next coach has to be a home run. And for this program home run doesn’t mean what it does at other programs. It means a modern offense and markedly improved recruiting (I think running a fun offense will result in better offensive recruits).
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Yes Randy makes more than the MAC coaches, but relative to the top 60 programs (and we want to be a top 60 program), he's at the bottom, especially when you consider the cost of the buyouts for most of the others.
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I wrote a post rehashing the situation for the 3940 time and then I deleted it. Quite simply its Randy ball in 2021 and as a fan of the program I sure hope it works. I'd like to get back to winning.
 
LoyalFanCT said:
Benedict could fire Randy this spring and replace him, even with someone like Bill Clark at UAB. Clark may be cheaper than Randy. Clark has experience in turning around a struggling program. He was Sporting News College Football Coach of the Year. Or find someone else.
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I'm not sure you appreciate how coaches view these jobs. The so called "good ones" are good for a reason, they know which jobs are a ladder to better place and which are a chute to the dumpster. The good ones know which jobs set them up for success and which will likely have them dumped hard in four years. Right now you can't just sit here and think that every good coach making less somewhere else will just come running here for more coin, even a lot more coin. Its very much about "fit" and what will fit at UConn is someone that knows how to run a football program at a university that cuts zero corners for academics, recruiting shenanigans and on campus student life. A coach that knows how to take athletic undersized kids and coach them up big time because no matter what you do - UConn will never get four star kids. And a coach that has some clue about football culture in the northeast (whatever that is, its not the same as the south).

A lot of coaches are not interested in the unique challenges of UConn football. They fear the set up.
 
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Exit 4 said:
Yes Randy makes more than the MAC coaches, but relative to the top 60 programs (and we want to be a top 60 program), he's at the bottom, especially when you consider the cost of the buyouts for most of the others.
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Ever wondered who the highest paid coach in college football is? Find out today with USA TODAY's complete salary data.
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I wrote a post rehashing the situation for the 3940 time and then I deleted it. Quite simply its Randy ball in 2021 and as a fan of the program I sure hope it works. I'd like to get back to winning.
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I agree Exit.. We need to let this go until 2022 .. I for one am happy Edsall is here for year 4. Consistency with the team and consistency with the coaching staff has a lot to do with wins on the field. Its like the oline meshing .. takes awhile for the group to be able to read each other and get comfortable. same with the coaching staff.. listen I definitely can see blaming Edsall for some play calling and some decisions but to blame and want to fire him when he didn’t have his recruits for the past 3 years? Players make plays and frankly we didn’t have the talent to do that .. if we don’t see improvement after this year then so be it.. I will agree we need to look for a new staff.
 
LoyalFanCT said:
Benedict could fire Randy this spring and replace him, even with someone like Bill Clark at UAB. Clark may be cheaper than Randy. Clark has experience in turning around a struggling program. He was Sporting News College Football Coach of the Year. Or find someone else.
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Btw, Bill Clark gets paid more than Randy. Bill Clark is thinking about how he can get the next SEC HC job, not a lateral move north - even if we upped the financial ante big time.
www.al.com

UAB coach Bill Clark gets big raise, becomes C-USA’s highest-paid coach

The school today announced "an agreement in principle has been reached" with Clark, making him the highest-paid coach in Conference USA.
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Exit 4 said:
I'm not sure you appreciate how coaches view these jobs. The so called "good ones" are good for a reason, they know which jobs are a ladder to better place and which are a chute to the dumpster. The good ones know which jobs set them up for success and which will likely have them dumped hard in four years. Right now you can't just sit here and think that every good coach making less somewhere else will just come running here for more coin, even a lot more coin. Its very much about "fit" and what will fit at UConn is someone that knows how to run a football program at a university that cuts zero corners for academics, recruiting shenanigans and on campus student life. A coach that knows how to take athletic undersized kids and coach them up big time because no matter what you do - UConn will never get four star kids. And a coach that has some clue about football culture in the northeast (whatever that is, its not the same as the south).

A lot of coaches are not interested in the unique challenges of UConn football. They fear the set up.
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Now that is a realistic view. No judgment on how good Narduzzi is but he wouldn’t come here for a large amount of money.
 
Exit 4 said:
I'm not sure you appreciate how coaches view these jobs. The so called "good ones" are good for a reason, they know which jobs are a ladder to better place and which are a chute to the dumpster. The good ones know which jobs set them up for success and which will likely have them dumped hard in four years. Right now you can't just sit here and think that every good coach making less somewhere else will just come running here for more coin, even a lot more coin. Its very much about "fit" and what will fit at UConn is someone that knows how to run a football program at a university that cuts zero corners for academics, recruiting shenanigans and on campus student life. A coach that knows how to take athletic undersized kids and coach them up big time because no matter what you do - UConn will never get four star kids. And a coach that has some clue about football culture in the northeast (whatever that is, its not the same as the south).

A lot of coaches are not interested in the unique challenges of UConn football. They fear the set up.
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Perfectly summed up. This is not an appealing job to many coaches including lower levels unless they are simply looking for an increase in pay:

  • no conference
  • low assistant coach pay
  • not a recruiting hotbed area
  • higher academic standards than many programs

those are 4 huge issues I would think for any coach. But I am 100% certain there are coaches who can win here - and by win I don’t mean 10-2, 9-3 seasons. I mean above .500 with a very nice above .500 season sprinkled in. The key is the administration finding that coach - and I have absolutely 0 confidence in this administration as it pertains to football.
 
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huskysupporter said:
Perfectly summed up. This is not an appealing job to many coaches including lower levels unless they are simply looking for an increase in pay:

  • no conference
  • low assistant coach pay
  • not a recruiting hotbed area
  • higher academic standards than many programs

those are 4 huge issues I would think for any coach. But I am 100% certain there are coaches who can win here - and by win I don’t mean 10-2, 9-3 seasons. I mean above .500 with a very nice above .500 season sprinkled in. The key is the administration finding that coach - and I have absolutely 0 confidence in this administration as it pertains to football.
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look what it did for Diaco 😂
 
This is college athletics 101. You don't have a coach without at least 3-4 years on his contract. You extend or you dismiss them. The only exception is when there is no question your coach is staying and you are sure to get around to an extension at some point. Even then you don't go below 2 years.

In the past coaches had auto renewals so that they would always have 4-5 years left. Calhoun had this for years but that was back before good coaches didn't leave successful programs very often and coaches salaries shot up to become $20M+ commitments. Now buyouts are the mechanism to mitigate risk for both sides.

UConn BB can still be a 30 year job, but most aren't. Jay Wright's successor won't be. We'll see if Hurley is successful enough and content enough to stay a job that long. UConn FB is just lucky someone wants the job at the moment. You won't convince me that there is a coach out there that would care enough about it to last more than one or two moderately successful seasons before moving on. To get there, Edsall needs to rebuild it's viability. Otherwise we are looking at another string of PP/BD disasters. If Edsall fails, we are still at square one looking at another string of PP/BD disasters. Might as well take the stairs and see if we can recapture the late 2000's.
 
huskysupporter said:
Perfectly summed up. This is not an appealing job to many coaches including lower levels unless they are simply looking for an increase in pay:

  • no conference
  • low assistant coach pay
  • not a recruiting hotbed area
  • higher academic standards than many programs

those are 4 huge issues I would think for any coach. But I am 100% certain there are coaches who can win here - and by win I don’t mean 10-2, 9-3 seasons. I mean above .500 with a very nice above .500 season sprinkled in. The key is the administration finding that coach - and I have absolutely 0 confidence in this administration as it pertains to football.
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The appeal will always be stability, our expectations are low and the facilities which are still quite good, though that will not be the case unless more money is pumped in. The Rent is pushing 20 years old as are the on-campus facilities. You can only renovate to maintain for so long. (See XL Center).

The downsides you mentioned are well known and other than the academic standards are unlikely to change ever.
Best case is the other NE programs perennially fall to the bottom of the ACC/B1G and we win enough and play an attractive enough schedule and put enough guys in the NFL to become the preferred NE program (not named Penn State).
 
freescooter said:
Benedict knew what an absolute and utter mess Diaco made of the program. And I’ve always suspected that he and Edsall had an understafing that this is 5 years to just clean up the mess.
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This year is so important. there will be a huge difference between 6-6, or3-9 with 5-6 heartbreaking losses and 3-9 getting blown out most games. We need to look like a FB program for 60 minutes, every game, regardless of opponent, that includes Clemson even if we lose that one by 50.
 
cullaville said:
No downside financially but waht is the upside of Randy Edsall being the coach? Hasn't shown anything since he returned (why he was brought back is beyond me).
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The general consensus is that he's improved recruiting. He deserves the chance to see if it's translated to the field.
 
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