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Pal has a man crush on his own ability to evaluate QB's which just happens to be better than PP / GD.

Half-kidding. In retrospect I can agree Nebrich could have got in on more series in the first third of the season. I think I agree with the decision to feature JMac and increasingly McCummings in the second third of the season, but I would also like to have seen a bit more of Nebrich at the end of the season. If we had been completely out of bowl contention a game or two earlier, maybe that would have given PP the latitude to get Nebrich some more experience, even give him a long leash and let him learn from his mistakes. But as long as making a bowl game is a possibility, a lot of HC's are just going to be conservative as possible with playing freshmen.
 
CAPS said:
Really pretty predicable if were to ask me. seems like your wasting the kids talent.
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i assume you're talking about McCummings here, and while the play calls are predictable when he's in there, you can't deny that they have been extremely effective at times, so i don't know that i'd say we're wasting his talent. if he'd hit a couple more wide open recievers that he had available his numbers would really look ridiculous for the amount of snaps he's had. i really don't know that it would work for an entire game though
 
mattp said:
i assume you're talking about McCummings here, and while the play calls are predictable when he's in there, you can't deny that they have been extremely effective at times, so i don't know that i'd say we're wasting his talent. if he'd hit a couple more wide open recievers that he had available his numbers would really look ridiculous for the amount of snaps he's had. i really don't know that it would work for an entire game though
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Funny how those predictable play calls seemed to generate 2 or 3 completely wide open receivers each game.
 
Carl Spackler said:
You took offense to my comments on how this is not basketball, in my writing on competition, and here you are, applying basketball principles and failing to recognize anythign that was of meaning in what I wrote about competition.

What do you know about the competition that went on last year? What do you really know? Did you comprehend anythign that I wrote? Or did you just latch on to the basketball comment.

The competition that occurs on a football team for playing time, does not occur in front of the public eye. Rosters don't just changed around on a football team week to week to change things up and change the way the team is playing, and when it comes to football, you don't yank around the QB position on a whim.

You get 12 games a year in football. That's it. When a team is experience and/or talent deficient at any position on a roster, it's pretty damn easy to see, and we had problems at QB last year, and if not for my man crush - McCombs, that little guy, we'd have had an offense that would have been historically inept last year.

THis is somehow Pasqualoni's fault, for not playing a true freshmen QB over a junior walk on. Right?

I don't believe for a second that you've got a man-crush on competition when it comes to football. I'm not sure you even begin to comprehend what competition on the practice field is about.

As for Nick Williams, again, I have no idea what you actually pay attention to when it comes to football. The guy was out there on a significant percentage of passing downs.



That's not how it works pal.
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I took offense to your offensive comments. The idea that YOU are the only one on this board that realizes football is not basketball, and you need to tell us it isn't, is beyond insulting. And you spew this out like it's some kind of revelation. Oh, it's not basketball. Wow! Thanks for telling us..

And you top that off with this gem.

I suppose you are of the opinoin that you can just go out on the field and game plan the same way for every single opponent, and on passing downs just throw the ball to the same receiver over and over and have success on offense in d-1A football.

What, you game plan differently for different teams? What an amazing insight! I can only imaginee your next post. Maybe you can tell us that a football isn't round. I breathlessly await your next observation.
 
Actually, there are more than a couple of posters here that need to be reminded that building a football program is completely different from building a basketball program......not gonna name names, just saying.......
 
Palatine said:
I don't think he shot himself in the foot on purpose. I do think he dug in his heels. It happens.

... He certainly did NOT give Nebrich the opportunities he gave Mac. And this was after preaching for months that the only thing that mattered was production. It's possible nothing would have changed but since the season was a disaster. Why give the kid a chance -- like he promised.
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A new head coach, a new offensive coordinator and system, a new defensive coordinator and system, the loss of some terrific players, quarterbacks with limited experience and/or skills, etc. and I think that the season UConn had last year was about all we could reasonably expect. We missed being eligible for a bowl game by one win. Certainly not a season that was a disaster.
 
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Jimmy Serrano said:
Actually, there are more than a couple of posters here that need to be reminded that building a football program is completely different from building a basketball program......not gonna name names, just saying.......
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Yes, building a football program is different from building a basketball program. Maybe not completely, however, your use of language isn't insulting.

This is insulting language, "But this is NOT basketball people. It's not." I believe these things can be discussed without that level of sophomoric rhetoric.
 
fgbrault said:
A new head coach, a new offensive coordinator and system, a new defensive coordinator and system, the loss of some terrific players, quaterbacks with limited experience and/or skills, etc. and I think that the season UConn had last year was about all we could resonably expect. We missed being eligible for a bowl game by one win. Certainly not a season that was a disaster.
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I'd add to that a couple of opponents that had better than expected seasons, Vandy in particular went from 2-10 to 6-6. That is pretty significant improvement. That was not the Vanderbilt team that came to the Rent in 2010 by a long shot. Not to say we shoudn't have or couldn't have beaten them or Iowa State or Western michigan, but none of those 3 were as bad as they had been in 2010.
 
I have nothing more to add here, but I see my message count is 666 and I just wanted that number off my profile......so......
 
Palatine said:
I took offense to your offensive comments. The idea that YOU are the only one on this board that realizes football is not basketball, and you need to tell us it isn't, is beyond insulting. And you spew this out like it's some kind of revelation. Oh, it's not basketball. Wow! Thanks for telling us..

And you top that off with this gem.

I suppose you are of the opinoin that you can just go out on the field and game plan the same way for every single opponent, and on passing downs just throw the ball to the same receiver over and over and have success on offense in d-1A football.

What, you game plan differently for different teams? What an amazing insight! I can only imaginee your next post. Maybe you can tell us that a football isn't round. I breathlessly await your next observation.
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I'm reminded of Dee Snider testifyingin front of Al Gore's senate committe in 1984 I think.....but never mind.....

I'm pretty sure that the concept I wrote about was recruiting, and when a new recruit comes in to a basektball program, especially a big time one, you can usually expect that recruit to compete and not just compete, but contribute heavily to winning games.

Reading and writing around here, and paying attention to uconn football over the years in teh press, it's been the common theme, to expect quote/unquote - big tiem recruits to get on the field and contribute to wins the moment they arrive.

That's not how football works. And you don't seem to get it, and your endless crap about how Nebrich supposedly didn't get the opportunity to earn the starting job makes me very annoyed.
 
Nebrich didn't get an opportunity.

We were down by a thousand points against WVU, and P still didn't get him any snaps. He just kept sending Mac out there for three and after three and out.
 
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Maybe insert mcCummings as a back and not a qb and work play from their so it isn't so obvious. How many qbs do we need? and yes I know someone will redshirt and it's clear their may be a transfer or 2. Remember McCummings is very athletic I'm sure he could play a number of positions. Ryan griffin I believe was recruited as a qb and he was converted to a TE so I guess as I babble on I'm saying anything is possible.
 
Palatine said:
Nebrich didn't get an opportunity.

We were down by a thousand points against WVU, and P still didn't get him any snaps. He just kept sending Mac out there for three and after three and out.
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I think you should stop with this, and just pay attention to how things happen on the field for awhile. How did yanking around QB's work for Edsall at UConn? Got the team so effed up that we had our first shut out in years. How did it work for him in his first year at Maryland?

I suppose you were ok with the QB shuffle though, the way Edsall handled it for years from the moment Orlovsky left, til the day that Frazer came back on the field against WVU in '10. Probably were ok, b/c it reflected the basketball mentality, that works, when your point guard isn't working out and you toss up the lineup until it does start to work.

I wanted to deck him the way he handled QB's.

You don't like the consistency answer that Pasqualoni gave for going with McEntee last year, becuase you don't undertand it. To me, it makes sense. You don't pull a QB when things are going wrong, unless you completely are prepared for your entire team to change, and your team's complete confidence that their coache's are behind them and supporting them is absolutely essential for any player to go out on that field and lay down their body with no fear.

No amount of writing, on my part, clearly will be able to get you to begin to comprehend why being consistent with McEntee, and calling his number, and letting him throw the ball, was a big part of why we were able to compete for a title late into the season, adn play for a post season opportunity on the last day of the season.

Hopefully it helps other people understand though.
 
Palatine said:
Nebrich didn't get an opportunity.

We were down by a thousand points against WVU, and P still didn't get him any snaps. He just kept sending Mac out there for three and after three and out.
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I don't think that would have been useful either. I know you think he picked the wrong guy, but I agree that once you pick a guy you ride him until you are out of it.

That being said I don't think JM should see the field this year at all.


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What was the guy going to do? McCummings was not accurate enough and Box just left town when he knew that he was third. He had to have competition for the spot, so he could not RS MN. He gave MN an opportunity in practice to win the job. Bridgewater did it, but putting freshman in is just very difficult especially with the complexity of this offense.

So now we will have a real competition between more seasoned guys. MN should be right there I would imagine. Should be the best spring game that we have seen in some time.
 
J187Money said:
I don't think that would have been useful either. I know you think he picked the wrong guy, but I agree that once you pick a guy you ride him until you are out of it.

That being said I don't think JM should see the field this year at all.


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So if a guy has improved in the off season you still don't want to give him a shot? I'm glad Mike didn't have to suffer through the transisiton and take a battering his Freshmen year. I hope he gets a shot from here on in because I believe he can make things happen when he gets comfortable with the offense. Good luck to all the guys because we're better from top to bottom at the position than we have been in years.
 
Jimdish255 said:
So if a guy has improved in the off season you still don't want to give him a shot? I'm glad Mike didn't have to suffer through the transisiton and take a battering his Freshmen year. I hope he gets a shot from here on in because I believe he can make things happen when he gets comfortable with the offense. Good luck to all the guys because we're better from top to bottom at the position than we have been in years.
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If he is the best we have so be it. But he had a fair shot and I don't believe he will win the job. If he does I'm not optimistic.


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Relating to your post on QB's Carl, there was a picture in the Courant that caught Coach P's reaction to K. Moore's drop early in the second half against L'ville. This was the game that really got away and sealed our lack of a Bowl game this year. There were many plays to be made that day and we didn't make them. The Coach's put the team in position to win and things went wrong. Nobody got thrown under the bus, there was no panic, but there was frustration shown in that picture that when one leak was stopped, another would appear somewhere else. The second half against Cinci gave me confidence that this year will be much better. Sucked that Kashif got hurt and wasn't able to finish his college career on the field. The chips were down and our team played right to the end all out. I wish the Spring game was only a couple of weeks away. Coming off last season there are going to be some hungry Husky Dogs this year. Let's all enjoy the ride!
 
One thing folks are forgetting is Edsall was going to run more or a dual threat attack. Why McCummings and Nebrich were brought in by the staff. Now when Pasqualoni came in here wanted to a pro style offense and McEntee was more suited for his offense.
Now with a year under their belts. Both Nebrich and McCummings should be better prepared for this upcoming spring. That will tell a lot about this upcoming season and who will lead this team in 2012.
 
Palatine said:
Nebrich didn't get an opportunity.

We were down by a thousand points against WVU, and P still didn't get him any snaps. He just kept sending Mac out there for three and after three and out.
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The reason to play a qb at any point in a blowout is to get them experience. At that point in the season PP thought thought that MacEntee was more deserving of the experience because he had shown him that he was the better qb and he could win him more games. At that point PP was still in the business of trying to make a bowl game and had no reason to throw in the backup qb.

Why would you give time to a qb that you arent sure will ever be the starter over a qb that is going to be the starter the rest of the year? You can't say that MN was never given a shot when you weren't in practice with them so please stop. We all saw the 3 headed monster at qb for a few games and most on this board hated it. I can say that from what I saw on the field PP made the right call.

Dont get me wrong throughout the season I wanted MN to win the job but he didn't. don't put that on PP MN didn't win the job put that on him JM won the job give him the credit he deserves and stop blaming the coach.
 
Carl Spackler said:
I think you should stop with this, and just pay attention to how things happen on the field for awhile. How did yanking around QB's work for Edsall at UConn? Got the team so effed up that we had our first shut out in years. How did it work for him in his first year at Maryland?

I suppose you were ok with the QB shuffle though, the way Edsall handled it for years from the moment Orlovsky left, til the day that Frazer came back on the field against WVU in '10. Probably were ok, b/c it reflected the basketball mentality, that works, when your point guard isn't working out and you toss up the lineup until it does start to work.

I wanted to deck him the way he handled QB's.

You don't like the consistency answer that Pasqualoni gave for going with McEntee last year, becuase you don't undertand it. To me, it makes sense. You don't pull a QB when things are going wrong, unless you completely are prepared for your entire team to change, and your team's complete confidence that their coache's are behind them and supporting them is absolutely essential for any player to go out on that field and lay down their body with no fear.

No amount of writing, on my part, clearly will be able to get you to begin to comprehend why being consistent with McEntee, and calling his number, and letting him throw the ball, was a big part of why we were able to compete for a title late into the season, adn play for a post season opportunity on the last day of the season.

Hopefully it helps other people understand though.
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Yes, I agree it was faulty handling of the QBs by P. It really needs to get fixed. What is disappointing is that instead of learning from the Vandy debacle. He just got more stubborn.

And you COMPLETELY miss the point that before the season, P said that the deciding factor in QB choice would be PRODUCTION. Then during the season he said it was continuity. Or as you call it consistency.

What is the point of sticking with consistency, if the QB is consistently bad and the team is consistently losing? Get it?
 
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Palatine said:
Yes, I agree it was faulty handling of the QBs by P. It really needs to get fixed. What is disappointing is that instead of learning from the Vandy debacle. He just got more stubborn.

And you COMPLETELY miss the point that before the season, P said that the deciding factor in QB choice would be PRODUCTION. Then during the season he said it was continuity. Or as you call it consistency.

What is the point of sticking with consistency, if the QB is consistently bad and the team is consistently losing? Get it?
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I think you're completely ignoring the fact that most of the losses last year were due to the fact that our defense couldn't stop anything through the air

There were at least 2 to 3 games where the offense put us in a spot to win the game and all the D had to do was make one huge stop and they couldn't

I'm not saying we were the bees knees when it came to scoring points, but there were multiple games where we scored 20 - 24 points and our defense didn't make the stop
 
Carl Spackler said:
I think you should stop with this, and just pay attention to how things happen on the field for awhile. How did yanking around QB's work for Edsall at UConn? Got the team so effed up that we had our first shut out in years. How did it work for him in his first year at Maryland?

I suppose you were ok with the QB shuffle though, the way Edsall handled it for years from the moment Orlovsky left, til the day that Frazer came back on the field against WVU in '10. Probably were ok, b/c it reflected the basketball mentality, that works, when your point guard isn't working out and you toss up the lineup until it does start to work.

I wanted to deck him the way he handled QB's.

You don't like the consistency answer that Pasqualoni gave for going with McEntee last year, becuase you don't undertand it. To me, it makes sense. You don't pull a QB when things are going wrong, unless you completely are prepared for your entire team to change, and your team's complete confidence that their coache's are behind them and supporting them is absolutely essential for any player to go out on that field and lay down their body with no fear.

No amount of writing, on my part, clearly will be able to get you to begin to comprehend why being consistent with McEntee, and calling his number, and letting him throw the ball, was a big part of why we were able to compete for a title late into the season, adn play for a post season opportunity on the last day of the season.

Hopefully it helps other people understand though.
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Did Palatine just get blasted for being an Edsall apologista? Seriosly, this board has become unreadable. No one who wasn't here 18 months ago should be allowed to post. We could avoid much of this waste.
 
GUYS We got the same if not better production from the QB postion than the last 3 years. I give props to Coach P for getting Nebrich some snaps. Deleone stated he didnt have the concentration level and the new offense was much different than his high school. Lets not blame Coach P for not setting Mike Nebrich up to fail. Sounds like he is still learning the plays and hopefully this spring he shows up more polished because he is a kid with alot of potential.. We got 3 three star quarterbacks so i look to it as a fair competition.
 
businesslawyer said:
Did Palatine just get blasted for being an Edsall apologista? Seriosly, this board has become unreadable. No one who wasn't here 18 months ago should be allowed to post. We could avoid much of this waste.
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Do I make the cut? i don't think I do. Please let me know.
 
Palatine said:
Yes, I agree it was faulty handling of the QBs by P. It really needs to get fixed. What is disappointing is that instead of learning from the Vandy debacle. He just got more stubborn.

And you COMPLETELY miss the point that before the season, P said that the deciding factor in QB choice would be PRODUCTION. Then during the season he said it was continuity. Or as you call it consistency.

What is the point of sticking with consistency, if the QB is consistently bad and the team is consistently losing? Get it?
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Name the last 2 QBs' that threw for 4 TD's in a single game in UConn football history.
 
businesslawyer said:
Did Palatine just get blasted for being an Edsall apologista? Seriosly, this board has become unreadable. No one who wasn't here 18 months ago should be allowed to post. We could avoid much of this waste.
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It's about building a fan-base. The elitist attitude you portray here isn't going to help anyone sell season tickets. Everyone is welcome.
 
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